SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 5, 2013 11:12:31 GMT -5
... the entire company is ran by imbeciles with terrible and short-sighted business sense?
It makes me wonder how WWE will get themselves out of this painted corner. Because right now, storyline-wise, the entire McMahon family onscreen needs to be axed from the company entirely (kayfabe) for everything to right itself. We don't have a level-headed Linda or progressive Shane to balance it out. And I know that the popular rumor is Vince turning face, but who wants to see him win in the end either? It's just corrupt clueless douchebag against corrupt clueless douchebag in that case with one standing tall. Both need to go. All, really.
I'd like to see a storyline progression wherein Bryan not only wins in the end but somehow manages to find a creative or legal way to exile the entire McMahon family from their own company. That way he's not only vindicated, but he actually defeats the "broken system" forever, ending all evil authority figures (a cliche and stale concept anyway) as a result.
But I am curious to see how you guys think it will or should turn out. I think we can all agree that Bryan HAS to win the end. That's a logical no-brainer. But how? And what is the actual storyline and company endgame or ramifications?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 5, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -5
I think the smart thing to do is to have Bryan win the title off Orton and then get him as far away from this story as possible because everything about it screams "quagmire that makes everyone stuck in it look stupid". I could care less about the hypothetical Trips vs. Vince story because they both come off as unlikeable nincompoops. I don't know why WWE thinks there's money in "evil authority figure versus evil authority figure", especially in 2013. especially given that the planned end game was Steve Austin returning and beating Triple H when he's made it abundantly clear that he's not interested. it's like when TNA jumped the gun with the Main Event Mafia return a couple years back before they even bothered to sign Booker T, Sting or Kevin Nash.
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 5, 2013 11:21:58 GMT -5
I'd love to see a "lifer" end up taking over for a long period of time. I'd mark the hell out if when the smoke settled, that it ends up being a guy like JBL as the Commissioner/CFO/Whatever of the WWE for like 5 years.
Ultimate ending would be Bryan wins and takes over and they discover the WWE was on the brink of collapse because of HHH's tax evasions, and IRS ends up running the WWE for a couple years as they pay off their debts to society (aka the WWE Universe).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 11:38:18 GMT -5
Yes, the only logical way for it to end is for Bryan to win.
That's exactly why this feud will culminate in something along the lines of Orton, managed by HHH, wrestling Big Show, managed by Vince.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 5, 2013 11:41:07 GMT -5
I don't think HHH and company look especially incompetent. Its not like they're choosing to back Ezekial Jackson over Daniel Bryan. They've hitched their wagon to a guy who is a proven star. You can rationalize most of their decisions using some form of logic, even if it is evil and twisted.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 5, 2013 11:45:23 GMT -5
I'm hoping it leads to the Board of Directors seeing all that's happened and realizing that maybe having bosses running rampant with their egos and biases isn't really a great idea, which would lead to them removing the current regime after Bryan (and the rebels?) topples Hunner and Friends.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 5, 2013 11:51:19 GMT -5
I'd love to see a "lifer" end up taking over for a long period of time. I'd mark the hell out if when the smoke settled, that it ends up being a guy like JBL as the Commissioner/CFO/Whatever of the WWE for like 5 years. Ultimate ending would be Bryan wins and takes over and they discover the WWE was on the brink of collapse because of HHH's tax evasions, and IRS ends up running the WWE for a couple years as they pay off their debts to society (aka the WWE Universe). IRS, somebody wants Bo Dallas
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 5, 2013 11:51:22 GMT -5
I'm hoping it leads to the Board of Directors seeing all that's happened and realizing that maybe having bosses running rampant with their egos and biases isn't really a great idea, which would lead to them removing the current regime after Bryan (and the rebels?) topples Hunner and Friends. and 3 months later we get Brad Maddox: evil authority figure #43553
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 11:54:35 GMT -5
How about Triple H and Stephanie learn a very important lesson about bullying, and learn to show tolerance and respect?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 5, 2013 11:55:50 GMT -5
I don't think HHH and company look especially incompetent. Its not like they're choosing to back Ezekial Jackson over Daniel Bryan. They've hitched their wagon to a guy who is a proven star. You can rationalize most of their decisions using some form of logic, even if it is evil and twisted. Not really. They're backing a character who's an admitted sociopath who concussed two of them and DDT'd the other, who has multiple infractions and strikes, and all because he's not Daniel Bryan. They've been quite obvious with the hypocrisy. It's been the heart of the story. No one is supposed or should agree with what they're saying -- and they're saying it so ham-fisted and disingenuously that even the biggest marks can see through it. (read WWE's comment section after that HHH/Cole interview on WWE.com). That's what makes Bryan's plight so relatable. The McMahons have picked a guy who is actually terrible for business (kayfabe), simply because he's obedient to their corrupt whims and looks like what they feel a star should. The entire angle is a subtle condemnation of soulless corporate interference and marketing over substance.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 5, 2013 11:58:42 GMT -5
How about Triple H and Stephanie learn a very important lesson about bullying, and learn to show tolerance and respect? Bryan: I love you, Brie Brie: and I love you Daniel random new diva: I love you, Kane Kane: and I love you, dream woman Zack Ryder: love you, man Braddox: and I love you, because I have learned that platonic love between 2 grown men can exist Triple H: and I learned that a terrible new hair-cut, marrying the boss's daughter and aligning with 3 Bossman clones can get you some things, but not everything Bryan: well I guess we all learned something!
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 5, 2013 12:14:19 GMT -5
I'd love for the angle to end with Bryan (and Punk? Cena? Someone else?) finally getting his revenge on Triple H, but the WWE Universe has to decide on how he gets that revenge through a Raw Active poll, where all the options are "Shut Your Mouth".
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Post by mizerable on Sept 5, 2013 12:14:42 GMT -5
I'd like to see a storyline progression wherein Bryan not only wins in the end but somehow manages to find a creative or legal way to exile the entire McMahon family from their own company. That way he's not only vindicated, but he actually defeats the "broken system" forever, ending all evil authority figures (a cliche and stale concept anyway) as a result. But the McMahons will find a way back on TV within weeks or months. It's like some frat douchebag taking a drunk girl home after a party, you know exactly where it's going. WWE is intent to keep the same characters on TV to generate buzz, which is narrowminded, especially when they constantly put ideas out there to get rid of these personalities like Vickie Guerrero, only to put her right back on TV. The McMahons are no different. This isn't 1998 anymore when you have Stone Cold fighting the system, which made sense. This is a system that simply throws obstacles in the way of a guy like Bryan they don't care for, and that guy jumps through the hoops for no reason and constantly get taken out. It seems like a placeholder until Cena comes back and is the one to take them out, because you know goddamn well if anyone is going to do it, it'll be him. Mark my words.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 5, 2013 12:15:09 GMT -5
I don't think HHH and company look especially incompetent. Its not like they're choosing to back Ezekial Jackson over Daniel Bryan. They've hitched their wagon to a guy who is a proven star. You can rationalize most of their decisions using some form of logic, even if it is evil and twisted. Not really. They're backing a character who's an admitted sociopath who concussed two of them and DDT'd the other, who has multiple infractions and strikes, and all because he's not Daniel Bryan. They've been quite obvious with the hypocrisy. It's been the heart of the story. No one is supposed or should agree with what they're saying -- and they're saying it so ham-fisted and disingenuously that even the biggest marks can see through it. (read WWE's comment section after that HHH/Cole interview on WWE.com). That's what makes Bryan's plight so relatable. The McMahons have picked a guy who is actually terrible for business (kayfabe), simply because he's obedient to their corrupt whims and looks like what they feel a star should. The entire angle is a subtle condemnation of soulless corporate interference and marketing over substance. They think they can control Orton. He's a product of the WWE machine. He doesn't go on and on about if he got fired from the company he'd be happy wrestling in armories in front of 50 people. Hunter and the rest don't want a repeat of what happened with CM Punk where the guy bailed with the title and had to be bribed into coming back with promises of ice cream bars. Besides, Bryan once choked out a ring announcer with his own tie, which led to him getting fired. Dude is an obvious loose cannon, just as much if not moreso than Randy. Randy Orton is a proven commodity. Daniel Bryan is not. That's why it's best for business to back him. Now, there's nothing "illogical" about what I just wrote. You can argue its short-sighted and unfair and even hypocritical, which is why people are reacting negatively to HHH's antics, but there is a definite pattern of sense to it.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 5, 2013 12:18:07 GMT -5
Not really. They're backing a character who's an admitted sociopath who concussed two of them and DDT'd the other, who has multiple infractions and strikes, and all because he's not Daniel Bryan. They've been quite obvious with the hypocrisy. It's been the heart of the story. No one is supposed or should agree with what they're saying -- and they're saying it so ham-fisted and disingenuously that even the biggest marks can see through it. (read WWE's comment section after that HHH/Cole interview on WWE.com). That's what makes Bryan's plight so relatable. The McMahons have picked a guy who is actually terrible for business (kayfabe), simply because he's obedient to their corrupt whims and looks like what they feel a star should. The entire angle is a subtle condemnation of soulless corporate interference and marketing over substance. They think they can control Orton. He's a product of the WWE machine. He doesn't go on and on about if he got fired from the company he'd be happy wrestling in armories in front of 50 people. Hunter and the rest don't want a repeat of what happened with CM Punk where the guy bailed with the title and had to be bribed into coming back with promises of ice cream bars. Besides, Bryan once choked out a ring announcer with his own tie, which led to him getting fired. Dude is an obvious loose cannon, just as much if not moreso than Randy. Randy Orton is a proven commodity. Daniel Bryan is not. That's why it's best for business to back him. Now, there's nothing "illogical" about what I just wrote. You can argue its short-sighted and unfair and even hypocritical, which is why people are reacting negatively to HHH's antics, but there is a definite pattern of sense to it. You could say that, but there's the fact that Hunner's reacting very negatively to even the slightest hint of an opposing opinion against his decisions, like forcing Ziggler and Show to fight The Shield only because they didn't approve with H screwing Bryan out of a title he earned fair and square.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 12:22:55 GMT -5
This isn't new. It's been a talking point for years in storyline that the McMahons are lunatics who let their own personal issues overcome their business sense.
"Millionaire who should be a billionaire" and all that.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 5, 2013 12:23:43 GMT -5
They think they can control Orton. He's a product of the WWE machine. He doesn't go on and on about if he got fired from the company he'd be happy wrestling in armories in front of 50 people. Hunter and the rest don't want a repeat of what happened with CM Punk where the guy bailed with the title and had to be bribed into coming back with promises of ice cream bars. Besides, Bryan once choked out a ring announcer with his own tie, which led to him getting fired. Dude is an obvious loose cannon, just as much if not moreso than Randy. Randy Orton is a proven commodity. Daniel Bryan is not. That's why it's best for business to back him. Now, there's nothing "illogical" about what I just wrote. You can argue its short-sighted and unfair and even hypocritical, which is why people are reacting negatively to HHH's antics, but there is a definite pattern of sense to it. You could say that, but there's the fact that Hunner's reacting very negatively to even the slightest hint of an opposing opinion against his decisions, like forcing Ziggler and Show to fight The Shield only because they didn't approve with H screwing Bryan out of a title he earned fair and square. They didn't screw Bryan out of a title. HHH took advantage of the opportunity the rules of Money in the Bank afforded him. This is all Daniel Bryan's fault. He took the loss at Summerslam personally. He insulted the wife of HHH's children. If he had kept quiet and accepted his role as "Not the Guy", this all could have been avoided.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 12:27:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately I see no way in which all authority figures are banned. This is just the beginning of 30-40+ years of Steph and HHH doing their best Mr. McMahon impersonations. They'll be together, then they'll be against each other, when Vince dies they'll do a divorce storyline for control, then they'll get back together, then they'll do one where Steph is cheating on HHH with Vince Russo and booking some crazy shit so HHH cheats on Steph with 90 year old Linda and somehow works a Katie Vick joke in, then they'll get back together and have a wedding themed episode of Raw, then the Big Show will be revealed to have been the result of a tryst between Linda and Andre the Giant so he'll want control of the WWE as well etc.
As for the current storyline the best that we can hope for is that they go all the way with Bryan and once he's there they keep pushing him because that is what it's going to take. If they're serious about pushing him they have to commit to it, none of the usual give him the title and then panic and put it back on Cena a couple of months later. They have to push him strong from here on out or it will be just like all of the other times that we thought that someone was going to break through and then they end up in the upper mid-card doing random things while the usual suspects are at the top of the card. Prove me wrong WWE.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 5, 2013 12:27:18 GMT -5
I think the storyline is meta. Where HHH knows that you make more money from a guy the fans like chasing the belt then him having the belt cause Hulk Hogan was a fluke in that regard. So he's trying to do what's best for business in keeping DB away from the title as long as he can.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 5, 2013 12:27:44 GMT -5
Accepting the role as "Not The Guy" would've essentially meant letting the corrupt "doofuses" run things. Even if Bryan hadn't insulted Steph, Hunner would've still crowned Orton as the "face of the WWE" and still be doing a lot of the things he'd be doing as of this week, frequent beatdowns of DB excepted. Guys like Dolph and Big Show would've probably still spoken out about H's decision, even if Bryan stepped aside.
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