SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 11, 2013 23:12:25 GMT -5
based on quantifiable criteria I wasn't arguing about the validity of the Observer HOF. My post was agreeing that I find the Observer HOF to be the most legitimate wrestling HOF there is. So I agree with a lot of what you said, with the exception of the line I quoted. It's contradictory to sarcastically mock the consideration of a "fake resume" but then turn around and say it's all about reputation and numbers. What numbers? The ones on her fake resume? Or the "monies drawn"? Who's to say how much money Moolah did or did not draw? It's totally subjective. There's absolutely no quantifiable criteria in ANY of this whatsoever. How is reputation quantifiable? That just flat out doesn't make sense. Moolah booked her own reign, fine. But plenty of HOFers have booked their own reigns, or even manipulated promotors in such a way that they basically controlled their reigns (Shawn Michaels?). Moolah's time in particular saw a lot of shady tactics, and she can't be faulted for playing the game and being a product of her environment when so many others get a free pass. I understand what you're saying, and this position personally isn't my own. It's just the explanation always given as to why the voters have never voted her in. And by numbers, I meant gates. And by monies, it meant what promoters figured her acts ( novelties; no different at the time than the midgets) added to their gate as opposed to shows without it. That's how they quantified it in those days. How much return they got from the addition of them to the card. The story goes that her acts didn't add anything -- but she still received bookings and payoffs because she forced young wide-eyed girls to perform favors for the promoters in question. As for guys like Michaels; I guess the bias comes from the fact that he's considered by and large one of, if not the best, all around performers ever.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 11, 2013 23:14:57 GMT -5
On Shawn he had a hard time getting in. If not for the comeback he would have never got in
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 24, 2013 16:25:32 GMT -5
Dave on Patera
He is very clearly a deserving candidate for the ballot.
He was with Murdoch, Ole, Snyder, Carpentier and one or two others right on the verge of going in the first year but I couldn't pull the trigger, seeing him as borderline. But very viable.
As strong if not stronger than a lot of people/acts who have come close.
He was a star from his first day in the business, and pretty well known in the sports world before he ever was in wrestling.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 30, 2013 20:27:12 GMT -5
six people going in this year
The first guy is the first Olympic gold medalist who became a major world heavyweight champion, Henri Deglane
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Post by Manute Bol on Oct 30, 2013 23:42:09 GMT -5
Dave on Patera He is very clearly a deserving candidate for the ballot. He was with Murdoch, Ole, Snyder, Carpentier and one or two others right on the verge of going in the first year but I couldn't pull the trigger, seeing him as borderline. But very viable. As strong if not stronger than a lot of people/acts who have come close. He was a star from his first day in the business, and pretty well known in the sports world before he ever was in wrestling. Really?? I never considered Ken Patera a HOF-caliber wrestler. Guess I've got some reading to do tonight!
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Post by chazraps on Oct 30, 2013 23:47:55 GMT -5
Going to start my own Hall of Fame just to induct my parents who used to take me to see wrestling matches, even on school nights. They really deserve a spot.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2013 17:49:36 GMT -5
Going in this year
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Post by Manute Bol on Nov 6, 2013 19:28:28 GMT -5
1. This year's class is very underwhelming (to me at least).
2. Do you think JYD and/or Punk get in next year? I'm very interested in seeing what happens with both.
3. I know about the rules to be nominated as far as career length/age, but how many years do you get to spend as a nominee before being dropped? Not saying I think he should go in one day, but it seems so weird that AJ Styles isn't eligible for the HOF anymore when his career is most likely far from over.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2013 19:32:51 GMT -5
You can stay on as long as you get the 10% and up.
JYD a maybe but on Punk don't see him getting the votes to get in
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 6, 2013 21:25:06 GMT -5
How does Punk get on the ballot the same year as JYD?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 6, 2013 21:34:56 GMT -5
I seriously doubt Punk is getting in the first time around. He's only been a big drawing card for a couple of years.
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Post by goodbyehorses on Nov 6, 2013 22:01:58 GMT -5
What's the reasoning behind Sting not being in?
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2013 22:06:13 GMT -5
How does Punk get on the ballot the same year as JYD? Punk is 35 and People were asking For JYD to be on the ballot What's the reasoning behind Sting not being in? Wasn't really a draw when he was on top. Luger actually drew better with Flair then Sting did. And he doesn't even got a chance to get in
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Nov 6, 2013 22:14:05 GMT -5
I seriously doubt Punk is getting in the first time around. He's only been a big drawing card for a couple of years. If Sting isn't in, CM Punk sure as hell doesn't belong in
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2013 22:16:34 GMT -5
Only guys for sure to get in is Bryan and Maybe Sin Cara. Have to see how well his Mexico run comes into play
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Post by goodbyehorses on Nov 6, 2013 22:17:25 GMT -5
1) Is HHH in?
2) Does Dave send inductees a commemorative plaque or certificate?
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2013 22:19:47 GMT -5
HHH went in 2005 and No
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 6, 2013 22:29:19 GMT -5
I seriously doubt Punk is getting in the first time around. He's only been a big drawing card for a couple of years. If Sting isn't in, CM Punk sure as hell doesn't belong in Personal preferences aside, it's hard to say that because the definition of a draw has changed so much over the years. Hell, no regular superstar in WWE is a draw in the traditional sense. The only exception to that is Cena. While it's fairly easy to say that Sting wasn't really a draw when you compare his run on top to other people that were in his position in the same time frame, Punk's a more complicated case to look at just because things have changed. The only person you can even compare him to is Cena and that's a bit unfair considering that Cena has been on top of the mountain much longer. Maybe Punk will be in the next ten years or so but right now, he just doesn't have the longevity to warrant a spot, IMO. Of course, it's important to remember that, in reality, this all means nothing. It's not like the inductees get anything beside a blurb in the Observer.
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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 8, 2013 8:15:11 GMT -5
Punk is the barometer as for how the current guys will fare in the HOF, so we'll see how he does over the next few years.
The most telling result for me was AJ Styles getting less than 10% of the vote (I believe it was 3%) and therefore being taken off the ballot. It just goes to show the level of standing TNA has had during its existance, and that's not a very high level at all. It could also add the argument that the TNA years have harmed Sting's case further.
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Post by YaakovLee on Nov 8, 2013 8:29:52 GMT -5
1) Junkyard Dog - The biggest drawing card in the history of Mid South Wrestling, who later was one of the top stars in the early years of the WWF national expansion. JYD's weakness is that he was a less than mediocre performer who had to be carried in the ring, and due to drug and weight issues, he fell out of the spotlight abruptly. His gimmick was later taken by MMA star Quinton Jackson. Yeah, JYD is no Takashi Matsunaga. Whoever the f*** that is. EDIT: I just Googled Takashi Matsunaga and apparently he's "A young most talented Japanese jazz pianist." Nothing on the entire first page is about the wrestling promoter. JYD (the wrestler) is the first result for searching a very, very common term.
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