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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 8, 2013 12:51:15 GMT -5
You're doing a major discredit to Matsunaga. He took women's wrestling in Japan to heights it will never reach again, where it was more popular and had better work-rate than the men. The early 90s in AJW was one of the greatest periods of professional wrestling history. He was a shoe-in for the HOF.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Nov 14, 2013 15:04:14 GMT -5
The more I read about the WON HOF, the more I think it's just as big a joke as WWE's, just in a different way.
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Post by HollywoodArmbar on Nov 14, 2013 23:22:30 GMT -5
The more I read about the WON HOF, the more I think it's just as big a joke as WWE's, just in a different way. It's voted on by people in and around the industry. It's about as legit as you can get.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 14, 2013 23:59:18 GMT -5
Can't believe Monsoon isn't in. Beginning to think he once stole Dave's lunch money.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Nov 15, 2013 11:24:25 GMT -5
The more I read about the WON HOF, the more I think it's just as big a joke as WWE's, just in a different way. It's voted on by people in and around the industry. It's about as legit as you can get. I don't care who votes for it. If this is the best that can be done, the whole idea should probably be scrapped. I already mentioned the ridiculous knock on the Andersons. I heard it said that a reason Dave gave against Sgt. Slaughter was that he "didn't have longevity," which is a puzzling statement. Carlos Colon was practically a national hero in Puerto Rico for decades. The Rock n Roll Express are generally regarded as the best babyface tag team of all time. Several other people on this year's candidate list were draws for decades in the territories and some of them didn't even get 10% of the vote? Meanwhile, someone can headline in WWE for a few years during a down period and go in, and seemingly being born in Japan or Mexico guarantees induction. If Vince's HOF is the corporate "who are we making up with/who can we make a DVD of/who can sell us a video library/who can help us draw in this year's Wrestlemania city" version, it seems like the WON's is the "hipster looking to please a certain audience" version.
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Post by HollywoodArmbar on Nov 15, 2013 18:48:54 GMT -5
I heard it said that a reason Dave gave against Sgt. Slaughter was that he "didn't have longevity," which is a puzzling statement. I think he may have said he didn't have longevity as a top guy. Obviously not longevity in terms of his career. But either way, that's just Dave's opinion. He has one vote. If enough people thought he was talking bollocks, and Slaughter was a worthy candidate, he'd be in.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 15, 2013 22:46:17 GMT -5
Why is one HOF in which X gets the casting vote more or less legitimate than one in which Y does?
An obvious omission is an obvious omission. Had Meltzer not announced himself the original 'inductees' no doubt Hogan would not be in there right now either. If Hulk was omitted then saying it was legitimate because it's voted for by people 'within the industry' would be as nonsense as it is saying that it's legit now due to obvious omissions.
People with a strong bias choosing to honour those they like and ignore those they don't. That's all either HOF is.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 15, 2013 22:47:56 GMT -5
If Cena got in Hogan would for sure have got voted in
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Post by Boo! on Nov 15, 2013 22:58:31 GMT -5
If Cena got in Hogan would for sure have got voted in Well Warrior isn't in. Neither one. Jimmy Snuka, Kamala Sgt Slaughter, Tito Santana, Gorilla Monsoon, King Kong Bundy, Yokozuna, Jimmy Hart, Paul Orndorff, only one of the members of the most important faction in wrestling over the last 20 years (NWO)...the list goes on. These are people who were a pivotal driving force/cast member at one boom time or another in the industries history. Because none are 'current' or some aren't darlings of the smarks they stand little chance of ever getting in.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 15, 2013 23:00:33 GMT -5
Other then Jimmy hart. The other guys were a draw for a short period of time. Warrior was a flop as champion
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Post by Square on Nov 16, 2013 9:21:08 GMT -5
I'm sad that no British person will ever get in, with the way that the criteria is all the fantastic wrestlers get bogged down because they weren't the big star and Big Daddy and Haystacks can't because they were bad in the ring. Rollerball deserves a spot
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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 16, 2013 9:34:07 GMT -5
Mick McManus was voted in last year.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 16, 2013 9:34:51 GMT -5
I don't understand how Gene Okerlund and Howard Finkel aren't Hall of Fame worthy for broadcasting, announcing, etc. Also, I don't see how Jimmy Hart isn't Hall of Fame worthy for his incredible run in Memphis, his memorable run in WWE, and for his countless musical compositions in WWF and WCW.
I don't understand how Jerry Jarrett isn't a Hall of Fame promoter/booker.
I don't understand how the Rock n' Roll Express is not a Hall of Fame tag team.
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Post by Square on Nov 16, 2013 9:43:21 GMT -5
Mick McManus was voted in last year. McManus is another kettle of fish though
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Post by metylerca on Nov 16, 2013 9:46:17 GMT -5
I don't get how Gorilla Monsoon isn't in as an announcer. He was the play by play guy for some of the biggest moments in wrestling history and his chemistry with both Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura was great for years.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 9:57:29 GMT -5
I don't get how Gorilla Monsoon isn't in as an announcer. He was the play by play guy for some of the biggest moments in wrestling history and his chemistry with both Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura was great for years. Exactly. He was the voice of the boom. The voice of Wrestlemania 1, War to Settle the Score, Brawl to End it All, Fight at 6 at Night (may have made that last one up), Wrestlemania 3 - to date the biggest wrestling event in north America. Most PPVs for the first seven years of the company and endless highly-rating programming. But he won't get in because Meltzer ragged on him for years for refusing to sell a side headlock as a potential match-winning move. It's like not having John Madden in there.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 18, 2013 5:03:09 GMT -5
Can't believe Monsoon isn't in. Beginning to think he once stole Dave's lunch money. It's a miscarriage of justice. A real Pearl Harbor job.
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Post by celticjobber on Nov 18, 2013 6:49:55 GMT -5
I don't get how Gorilla Monsoon isn't in as an announcer. He was the play by play guy for some of the biggest moments in wrestling history and his chemistry with both Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura was great for years. While Gorilla is my favorite Play by Play guy of all time, Meltzer says many of the wrestlers (especially heels) from the 80's in the WWF hated him for undermining their work with his commentary. And many of the voters are former and current workers.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 18, 2013 7:42:59 GMT -5
I don't get how Gorilla Monsoon isn't in as an announcer. He was the play by play guy for some of the biggest moments in wrestling history and his chemistry with both Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura was great for years. While Gorilla is my favorite Play by Play guy of all time, Meltzer says many of the wrestlers (especially heels) from the 80's in the WWF hated him for undermining their work with his commentary. And many of the voters are former and current workers. Reading the WON almost every edition Meltzer is throwing a hissy over Monsoon not selling the side headlock or an armbar as a potential match winner. I don't get the problem, those things were never, ever used as finishers are the audience at home would know it. Not sure what he thought would be gained by Monsoon going all hyper over it. "ARMBAR! ARMBAR! ARMBAR! IT'S OVER! IT'S OVER!" His unpopularity with the workers may be due to him having the book, at one time or another. Plus he'd be the one to shout at them when they got through the curtain if they went long, messed up or didn't put in 100% effort. JR once said how during taping commentary for television he'd sometimes get so enraged by some of the effort guys put in he'd shout at the monitors and recording would have to halt while he calmed down. I imagine if he was some 5ft 8 executive from television the boys would have soon ensured he was put in his place. But Monsoon, from what I've heard, stood up for and barked orders at anyone he felt was out of line and up until when his health declined, there weren't many in the locker room he couldn't take.
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