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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 8:43:53 GMT -5
I kept Sheamus, Orton, Wade Barrett. Released Fandango, The Miz, Ryback.
Then kept Cesaro & released Wyatt. Left me down to Big E. Langston & Dolph Ziggler.
I kept Big E. Guy's got a really bright future at being a marketable champion. I kinda see him as similar to Sheamus: Unique, marketable look, decent-to-good promos, constantly evolving his ring work. Nothing against Dolph, but there's still a bunch of guys on the roster you could use to put others over. His ship is about to sail.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 9:34:05 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt's gimmick is good, but he's terrible in the ring in my opinion. He can only go so far with mediocre in ring talent. Really? I feel the opposite. I think Wyatt is a fairly solid wrestler, and a very good talker, but has a gimmick that has an extremely short shelf life before it gets stale. His character is the stuff of summer E-Feds. Here's who I picked: 1. Cesaro: Possibly their very best worker, who just has tremendous ability and despite not really being over, can get fans into his matches from pure ability alone. 2. Langston: I see a lot of potential. Not enough black stars, and he's a decent wrestler who seems very natural at playing a character. 3. Ziggler: Has done way too much to deserve getting booted. His body is going to be in pieces when he gets older, and he's had a main event run stolen from him. Give the guy a chance. 4. Sheamus: Fans like him. He's a very good wrestler, especially for his size. 5. Fandango: Curtis isn't a particularly good ringworker, but he's just fantastic at playing a character. Nobody else could make Fandango work, and yet, he's done it. Same kind of golden touch that Daniel Bryan has.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 10:08:02 GMT -5
I'd keep:
Cesaro - future cornerstone Langston - see above Wyatt - one of the best promo guys in the business Ziggler - one of the best wrestlers in the business Orton - one of the few true stars left, and he's still got a lot left in the tank
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 8, 2013 10:34:55 GMT -5
I keep Cesaro, Wyatt, Ziggler, Fandango and Barrett. here's why;
Cesaro: solid talent who just needs the right push. at the very worst you have a solid JTTS who can fulfill the same capacity as William Regal, Bob Holly or Val Venis Wyatt: amazing promo and he's utterly unlike anyone else in the show. just needs a better angle that... whatever he's doing right now. guy could be Raven for a new generation. Ziggler: fantastic wrestler all around who can cut promos when he isn't scripted and got over based entirely on his own merit. Fandango: solid wrestler who has the ability to take terrible ideas and spin them into gold. he'll probably never be a main event player, but being this generation's Goldust is nothing to be ashamed of. Barrett: like Cesaro, just needs a good push to get back in the running. guy just oozes "superstar" and is mostly a victim of bad booking, albeit not so bad that he can't easily recover from it.
and here's who I left out/why:
Sheamus: a great talent but he's been overshadowed by several other guys in the role that WWE once hoped would be his. fans still haven't forgiven him for the "18 seconds" thing. that said I'd keep him before any of the others, and it was almost 50/50 between him and Barrett. he, like Wade or Cesaro just needs to find his niche (he was actually starting to win me over again with his "self-aware jerkface" character before he got injured, and I hope he sticks with that when he comes back). Orton: I've been a booster of his for a long time, and really the only reason I'd get rid of him is the wellness problems. I'd keep him as long as he keeps doing what he's doing, but if he blew another wellness test I'd show him the door because as good as he is, he's ultimately replaceable (as long as that replacement isn't... ugh... Triple H) Big E: he has skills, but nothing particularly noteworthy. to this day I think they just called him up for the sake of calling him up and don't have anything planned for him. "Main eventer's bodyguard" is pretty much a death sentence for most talent (Batista and to a much lesser extent Alex Riley are among the few I've seen it actually work for). Miz: I don't think he has anything left to offer. I don't think there was ever much real crossover appeal to the guy to begin with, and his schtick is done much better by other wrestlers (notably Dolph and Cody Rhodes). he's not bad, but he's taking up space and just feels superfluous. Ryback: stick a fork in him, he's done. guy never had much of a shelf-life to begin with, and while he's pretty entertaining in his current gimmick, he's not doing anything someone else (e.g. Big Show or Mark Henry) couldn't do better.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 8, 2013 10:44:06 GMT -5
Definitely kept Cesaro but I think he has problems generating any real heat due to a kind of silly gimmick (I mean an evil Swiss guy with an Italian name?). Big E. I am keeping as well since there's some potential yet to be realized. Ziggler I will keep but not really push especially hard. He's a total US/IC level guy to me. He is miscast as a main event guy. And I'm obviously keeping current WWE champion Orton. Sheamus as well, who might not be my ideal choice for WWE/World champ but he's certainly a valuable upper card guy.
I see zilch, nada, nothing in Bray Wyatt. His look is still horrible and once he got in the ring with Kane I was like "Um, it's Husky Harris going against Kane. Yeah right." If I even wanted to keep him I'd make him a manager. Fandango is gone too. All gimmick, marginal talent. Miz is gone as well since I think he's peaked and there's nothing more he can do for me. Barrett is gone too since he's scorched earth at this point and has been jobbed too much over the past 2 years. And Ryback as well, who has been booked so badly that no one cares and even when he was booked pretty well could never shake the "Goldberg" chants. Ryback is kind of the WWE equivalent of Matt Morgan, a big dude with a great look but just lacks the "it" factor that makes someone a star.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 8, 2013 10:51:54 GMT -5
Orton, Ryback, Barrett, Ziggy, and Sheamus.
Wyatt is terrible. Miz is terrible. Big E is terrible. Fandango is okay, but not worth keeping at the expense of the others. Cesaro is talented, but can't get over.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 8, 2013 10:52:29 GMT -5
KEEP:
Orton: Duh. He's the WWE champion, one of the most over guys in the company, and one of the best overall performers the company has. Big E: The future of the company, I'm telling ya. Sheamus: The definition of a workhorse. He's over and a super unique look. Ziggler: Again, this is gonna be one of the guys that carries the company on his back in the future. Antonio Cesaro: Phenomenal in-ring talent. All he needs is that one character or angle that really catches fire.
FIRE: Fandango: I like him but he just didn't make the cut Barrett: See Fandango Ryback: I think his current character is hilarious but he, as a performer, is pretty limited and has been hurt by bad booking. Bray Wyatt: He just hasn't clicked for me. His deliver is on-point but I'm not a fan. The Miz: Boy Bye. He's a good spokesperson for WWE and isn't awful in the ring but he doesn't really add anything to the product.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 8, 2013 10:56:32 GMT -5
Keeping Ziggler, Orton and Sheamus are my no-brainers. That kind of all around skill you can't afford to chuck aside for five years.
After that, it gets a bit dicey. I like Miz quite a bit, but I think he may have sadly hit his ceiling. Barrett's weak booking aside, he hasn't improved signficantly after his Nexus days, and Ryback's a decent big man but not exactly a transcendent talent.
That leaves Wyatt, Big E, Fandango and Cesaro. If I flipped a coin I might go with the former two as I think they beat out the others charisma wise.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 8, 2013 14:33:10 GMT -5
To see so many people give up on Miz makes me sad. I still say he would be useful if he was pushed as an actual wrestler.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 8, 2013 14:38:01 GMT -5
To see so many people give up on Miz makes me sad. I still say he would be useful if he was pushed as an actual wrestler.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 8, 2013 14:38:59 GMT -5
KEEP: Orton: Duh. He's the WWE champion, one of the most over guys in the company, and one of the best overall performers the company has. Big E: The future of the company, I'm telling ya. Sheamus: The definition of a workhorse. He's over and a super unique look. Ziggler: Again, this is gonna be one of the guys that carries the company on his back in the future. Antonio Cesaro: Phenomenal in-ring talent. All he needs is that one character or angle that really catches fire. FIRE: Fandango: I like him but he just didn't make the cut Barrett: See Fandango Ryback: I think his current character is hilarious but he, as a performer, is pretty limited and has been hurt by bad booking. Bray Wyatt: He just hasn't clicked for me. His deliver is on-point but I'm not a fan. The Miz: Boy Bye. He's a good spokesperson for WWE and isn't awful in the ring but he doesn't really add anything to the product. I'm feeling lazy, so I'll just copy this post, as it sums up my own opinions almost exactly.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 8, 2013 14:50:54 GMT -5
To see so many people give up on Miz makes me sad. I still say he would be useful if he was pushed as an actual wrestler. Touche. I'm just basing it on the fact that he had a good amount of traction upon initially turning face. He was over and a valuable player. As a 'special guest star', as someone who doesn't care about his career, as a talk-show and commentator, he offers little. I think a true test of his value, in 2013, could be to add him as a permanent player in Bryan's angle, as someone who actually wants to crawl his way back to relevance. If the crowd doesn't buy into that, then retire him. I just think it's understandable that crowds don't care about him now since he's rarely presented as a wrestler.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Sept 8, 2013 14:59:52 GMT -5
Keep:
Cesaro Wyatt Langston Fandango Miz
Wyatt, Langston, Fandango and Miz all know how build a character with depth that you can care about. Cesaro is the on another level to everyone else in the company in terms of verisimilitude, and can build a match like no ones business.
Fire:
Orton Ryback Ziggler Sheamus Barrett
Under no other circumstances would Sheamus ever be let go. I'd like to keep Barrett too in case the guy from 2010 with his name ever shows up again. Orton is talented but was born with a chronic case of dullness. Ziggler and Ryback are nothing special.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 16:22:14 GMT -5
Wyatt being labeled as bad in the ring after one Inferno Match with Kane is an over-reaction. As impressive as Kane has been for his longevity and being one of the great characters and big men, he doesn't always sets the world on fire in the ring. CM Punk has had nothing but shitty matches with Kane, for example.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Sept 8, 2013 19:13:06 GMT -5
Keep: Barrett, Wyatt, Cesaro, Orton, and Dolph......the rest could probably go, and wouldn't phase me in the least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 19:16:49 GMT -5
I'd keep Big E, Ziggler, Fandango, Orton, and Wade.
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