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Post by nickcave on Sept 11, 2013 16:53:34 GMT -5
On a side note, that Hulk Hogan Christmas tree story is pretty funny.
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Post by JTH on Sept 11, 2013 16:54:47 GMT -5
It was in a smark crowd and they knew it would.
So I'm going to play a smark face to get cheers, and I'm gonna play a smark heel to get heat.
Pointless smarking to a crowd that served no purpose to the main event angle and storyline or get the top babyface over. AKA Vintage WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:22:03 GMT -5
My main thing is the "didn't draw a dime" stuff. In the context of the show, winning titles is the objective, not drawing dimes.
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Post by blackmegaman on Sept 11, 2013 19:49:15 GMT -5
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Post by Glitch on Sept 11, 2013 19:51:36 GMT -5
This logic is a wreck for the same reason DB and Cena's verbal exchange was. They're mixing kayfabe and non-kayfabe in a way that makes no sense.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 11, 2013 20:10:24 GMT -5
My main thing is the "didn't draw a dime" stuff. In the context of the show, winning titles is the objective, not drawing dimes. One day HHH will say "You didn't draw a dime" and a wrestler will point to the tron. The tron will then show an image of said wrestler with a piece of paper and a pencil. The lights in the area will go very low and flicker at a slow pace. It will then turn into one of those artsy speed drawing films with airy atmospheric background music. The picture will develop into a highly detailed picture of a dime. The artist will be the wrestler. The camera will fade in and out between the film and HHH's face as it changes from shock, anger, amazement, sadness, fear, joy, panic, and a head nod of acceptance. After the film is over HHH will apologize and shake that wrestlers hand. HHH will then back up ten feet and mime an invisible kick to his gut. He'll then mime himself receiving a Pedigree. The commentators have been silent through this whole segment. The screen will fade to black and the Entertainment logo will flash on the screen then it will pause. The letters will melt down and all things WWE related on tv and all web content will ceases to exist.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Sept 11, 2013 21:23:38 GMT -5
Incidentally, are there any stories of backstage heatzz with HHH and Edge from back in the day? I remember hearing HHH thought Edge shoulda been fired over the Matt Hardy/Lita situation.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Sept 11, 2013 21:32:39 GMT -5
Forget kayfabe, Triple H saying "Sorry buddy, but ya never drew a dime" was one of my favourite lines on a wrestling show in quite some time. I don't care what anybody says, I'm really enjoying this angle.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 11, 2013 23:22:07 GMT -5
The funny thing is, if HHH had never dated/married Stephanie, he would have likely had the exact career that Edge had.
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Post by deancubed on Sept 12, 2013 3:30:13 GMT -5
Didn't Edge famously draw the best ratings in RAW history since "This is your life Rock"? And didn't the success of the Money In The Bank concept originate at least in part to the way the bar was set by Edge's first cash-in? Didn't they turn that concept into a whole PPV that made a lot of people a lot of money? Didn't that PPV create one of the biggest wrestling moment in WWE history when CM Punk beat John Cena and left the company with the WWE Championship?
What I'm getting at here is - Edge is the reason Curtis Axel has a job.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 12, 2013 5:43:37 GMT -5
What is this forum's problem with heels saying deliberately inflammatory, stupid shit? That is the point of being a heel. Either Triple H really is an asshole, or you just got worked, or more than likely some combination of the two. Heels should never be right, ever, otherwise they shouldn't be heels. But the issue isn't that HHH is right or is wrong, it's that his comments are irrelevant in kayfabe. He says Edge is a failure because he didn't draw. 95% of your audience doesn't understand the business aspect of wrestling, but most know that Edge has a shit-ton of titles. If HHH wants to be a dick and heel it up, just say Edge is a failure because he was constantly injured. These business-related worked shoots just misfire. I know HHH wants to incite, but you're not going to do that by talking about drawing money. So as far as you're concerned, surely the entire angle is a wash, because the point is that Bryan isn't a good face of the company and they'll go out of business? I also think that 95% is an overestimation. These days the WWE audience seems to be around half the hardcore faithful who pay attention to the stupid shit that we do (myself included) online, so I don't think it's as lost on people as you think it is, and the crowds still seem pretty hot for the angle regardless.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 12, 2013 5:56:49 GMT -5
Considering the whole top angle right now is about business, and HHH is a corporate man, I'd say it's totally relevent in kayfabe. In 1998, one of the reasons Vince didn't just fire Austin was because he brought in money. They idea of a 'corporate' champion, be it The Rock or Orton, is drenched in the idea of wrestling being a business.
Corporate H can't say anything against Edge as a wrestler because of all those titles so he goes at it from another angle. Edge wasn't 'Good for Business'.
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Post by doinkmark on Sept 12, 2013 7:12:18 GMT -5
HHH's point, while meant to be cutting (and I guess it is) holds no water from a kayfabe standpoint. That's good though. HHH is a heel. What he says is supposed to be wrong so that we root for the other guy(s). We complain on here all the time about heels being right during feuds. It's good HHH is playing a heel who's totally wrong in his statements. Though I will say that it seemed like almost every time Edge won a World title of some kind, he got injured. So I guess it's more like he almost never had a proper chance to draw a dime. Didn't "Live Sex Celebration" have the highest rating in years at that point?
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 12, 2013 7:59:42 GMT -5
My big problem is Triple H does his "doesn't draw a dime" and "doesn't make money" thing... yet his corporate champ is Orton.
Now I may be remembering wrong here, but aren't Orton's ratings as champ usually mediocre at best?
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 12, 2013 8:08:45 GMT -5
My big problem is Triple H does his "doesn't draw a dime" and "doesn't make money" thing... yet his corporate champ is Orton. Now I may be remembering wrong here, but aren't Orton's ratings as champ usually mediocre at best? Which adds another layer to the hypocrisy behind his whole "best for business" thing. Also, I see nothing wrong with H talking about drawing dimes and stuff, it's a part of his role as the money-minded boss who thinks about business first over what the public really wants.
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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Sept 12, 2013 12:44:43 GMT -5
It's funny because HHH never drew a dime either. No one cares about HHH other than watching him lose to Rock, Austin and Foley.
Without those 3, HHH doesn't do jack. Those 3 were the ones who brought in the cash.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 12, 2013 14:49:41 GMT -5
It's funny because HHH never drew a dime either. No one cares about HHH other than watching him lose to Rock, Austin and Foley. Without those 3, HHH doesn't do jack. Those 3 were the ones who brought in the cash. I'm usually as anti-HHH as you can get, but H's feud with Batista drew quite well. DX drew pretty well briefly in 2006, too. And HHH and Lesnar drew the house at Summer Slam 2012 on top of that. HHH did draw dogshit between 2002-2005 though. Although I like to think that was because of how horrible the booking was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 15:47:42 GMT -5
Nothing Edge or HHH said to each other was as bad as Edge talking about how boring Randy Orton is. I know it’s not the first time someone’s done that (Jericho did the same thing in 2007) and some people might agree that he’s boring but it makes no sense to say that stuff on TV. Randy Orton is the current WWE champion and we’re ostensibly supposed to want to purchase pay-per-views when he’s wrestling and want to watch him when he’s on television. Calling him boring doesn’t seem like the best way to get people to do that. It's funny because HHH never drew a dime either. No one cares about HHH other than watching him lose to Rock, Austin and Foley. Without those 3, HHH doesn't do jack. Those 3 were the ones who brought in the cash. I'm usually as anti-HHH as you can get, but H's feud with Batista drew quite well. DX drew pretty well briefly in 2006, too. And HHH and Lesnar drew the house at Summer Slam 2012 on top of that. HHH did draw dogshit between 2002-2005 though. Although I like to think that was because of how horrible the booking was. His return and quest to win the match was also the main selling point of what to this day is still the biggest drawing Rumble ever (670k buys). Given how business had been declining from Wrestlemania 17 on, it still surprises me how that show outdrew the 1999/2000/2001 Rumbles, all of which were stacked cards.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 12, 2013 18:49:55 GMT -5
I can't be the only one who finds the notion of Triple H making fun of someone else for not being a draw utterly hilarious.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 12, 2013 18:54:14 GMT -5
What is this forum's problem with heels saying deliberately inflammatory, stupid shit? That is the point of being a heel. Either Triple H really is an asshole, or you just got worked, or more than likely some combination of the two. Heels should never be right, ever, otherwise they shouldn't be heels. But the issue isn't that HHH is right or is wrong, it's that his comments are irrelevant in kayfabe. He says Edge is a failure because he didn't draw. 95% of your audience doesn't understand the business aspect of wrestling, but most know that Edge has a shit-ton of titles. If HHH wants to be a dick and heel it up, just say Edge is a failure because he was constantly injured. These business-related worked shoots just misfire. I know HHH wants to incite, but you're not going to do that by talking about drawing money. that's a great point. at the end of the day, the fans that are already watching could care less if the guy they like put money in Vince's pocket.
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