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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Sept 20, 2013 18:05:45 GMT -5
That's a little disappointing. Hopefully Night of Champions does a little better than expected. Though NoC was a pretty weak looking card. I hope this doesn't affect the Bryan/Punk push. I kind of think NoC will be their worst buyrate in quite some time. Battlegrounds won't do much better, and HIAC has been watered down so much, I don't think it is a draw anymore either. I can see why, and I hope nobody sees this as me trying to deflect the blame away from Punk/Bryan, but I saw no reason to buy Night of Champions. I did anyway because I've bought every WWE PPV for the past three years but I saw no reason why a casual viewer or someone who watches avidly but doesn't buy every PPV would. I mean nothing sans the main event, which SEEMED totally predictable, looked remotely interesting. I get where they were going with the Punk/Heyman angle and I've loved their segments on TV but why would I ever want to see Punk vs. Axel and Heyman? It just looked like one of the worst PPV cards I've ever seen/
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 20, 2013 18:09:13 GMT -5
I kind of think NoC will be their worst buyrate in quite some time. Battlegrounds won't do much better, and HIAC has been watered down so much, I don't think it is a draw anymore either. I can see why, and I hope nobody sees this as me trying to deflect the blame away from Punk/Bryan, but I saw no reason to buy Night of Champions. I did anyway because I've bought every WWE PPV for the past three years but I saw no reason why a casual viewer or someone who watches avidly but doesn't buy every PPV would. I mean nothing sans the main event, which SEEMED totally predictable, looked remotely interesting. I get where they were going with the Punk/Heyman angle and I've loved their segments on TV but why would I ever want to see Punk vs. Axel and Heyman? It just looked like one of the worst PPV cards I've ever seen/ If only people knew they'd get to see double the Axel, double the fun. #bitteraboutDetroit'sfirstPPVin3yearsbeinganothingshow
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 20, 2013 18:12:50 GMT -5
I can see why, and I hope nobody sees this as me trying to deflect the blame away from Punk/Bryan, but I saw no reason to buy Night of Champions. I did anyway because I've bought every WWE PPV for the past three years but I saw no reason why a casual viewer or someone who watches avidly but doesn't buy every PPV would. I mean nothing sans the main event, which SEEMED totally predictable, looked remotely interesting. I get where they were going with the Punk/Heyman angle and I've loved their segments on TV but why would I ever want to see Punk vs. Axel and Heyman? It just looked like one of the worst PPV cards I've ever seen/ If only people knew they'd get to see double the Axel, double the fun. #bitteraboutDetroit'sfirstPPVin3yearsbeinganothingshow Sadly, people have not yet accepted that the Genesis is here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 18:30:19 GMT -5
Brock's not the draw he was because this was his 5th match since returning, as opposed to his 2nd. The 2012 number was inflated by his drawing power, this one has them back to a normal number. Triple H wrestling was also a boost, he's a part-time guy and the lack exposure leads to more interest. This year was sold heaviest on Bryan/Cena (of course no one is saying anything about Cena losing his drawing power), last year was sold heaviest on Triple H/Lesnar. That accounts for the 50 k difference, we see Bryan and Cena all the time where Lesnar and Triple H are protected and have more mystique.
Of course, Bryan is more of an investment in the future than Lesnar, there has to be some trade-off. You can't just say "f*** him he didn't do as high a number as this other guy". They've got to push their best guys RIGHT NOW, and Bryan is one of them. It's their job to help make him that draw. Lesnar headlined the lowest drawing WrestleMania of the 2000s, what if they just decided he wasn't worth it after that? Eventually they'll find their next big thing, until then they've got to get people in place to create the environment for said next big thing. I don't think Bryan is going to lead them into a new era of uncharted success, but I also don't think he's actively harming them financially.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Sept 20, 2013 18:33:35 GMT -5
So Daniel Bryan can't draw a dime...
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 20, 2013 18:41:57 GMT -5
While I wouldn't blame Brock's booking for the lowered buyrate (especially considering that he essentially won his feud against HHH by taking two out of three matches), I think the specialness of Brock as a megadraw in general was finite- even going against an established star like Punk.
And given that, I don't see how this affects badly on Bryan at all, as he's just now in the process of becoming a big time main eventer.
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Post by thegame415 on Sept 20, 2013 19:05:35 GMT -5
Lets be honest, everyone was watching Total Divas an waited to watch SummerSlam after.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 20, 2013 19:09:31 GMT -5
While I wouldn't blame Brock's booking for the lowered buyrate (especially considering that he essentially won his feud against HHH by taking two out of three matches), I think the specialness of Brock as a megadraw in general was finite- even going against an established star like Punk. And given that, I don't see how this affects badly on Bryan at all, as he's just now in the process of becoming a big time main eventer. The booking of those matches were horrendous. HHH should have been portrayed as a physical underdog, like Cena, the face of the company, was. It was absurd for HHH to be on equal footing with Brock in matches when the company golden ticket got his ass kicked Bane-on-Batman style. There is a direct correlation with how those matches played out, and Brock's aura being tarnished.
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 20, 2013 19:16:40 GMT -5
While I wouldn't blame Brock's booking for the lowered buyrate (especially considering that he essentially won his feud against HHH by taking two out of three matches), I think the specialness of Brock as a megadraw in general was finite- even going against an established star like Punk. And given that, I don't see how this affects badly on Bryan at all, as he's just now in the process of becoming a big time main eventer. The booking of those matches were horrendous. HHH should have been portrayed as a physical underdog, like Cena, the face of the company, was. It was absurd for HHH to be on equal footing with Brock in matches when the company golden ticket got his ass kicked Bane-on-Batman style. There is a direct correlation with how those matches played out, and Brock's aura being tarnished. Especially Extreme Rules. Anyone who bought that show to see Brock Lesnar kick ass saw him lie around like a helpless baby cause HHH is so strong. I'm not surprised his next match underperformed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 19:23:29 GMT -5
If this makes anyone look bad, it's CM Punk not Daniel Bryan.
Brock was clearly the draw last year so the fact him vs Punk this year dropped back down to around the 2011 number isn't great.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 20, 2013 22:10:03 GMT -5
Wow, what a shock. WWE spends a whole month telling everyone that Daniel Bryan is a troll, a midget, a nobody and then they are shocked when SS did less than they expected? It will be interesting to see what NoC did since I predicted it would do a horrid buyrate. The entire show was based around what looked like an obvious screwjob finish, which kinda/sorta occurred. I figured Heyman would weasel his way out of getting killed by Punk, so that wasn't a draw. I was interested in perhaps seeing RVD beat Del Rio but not to the tune of 45.00 (and that had a DQ finish).
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 20, 2013 23:00:47 GMT -5
Wow, what a shock. WWE spends a whole month telling everyone that Daniel Bryan is a troll, a midget, a nobody and then they are shocked when SS did less than they expected? . I dunno man. Most of Cena's feuds nowadays consist of everybody saying he can't wrestle, he sucks and he's not as good as older stars and he does alright.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 23:07:04 GMT -5
-Can we also say Cena isn't a draw because of this year and 2011? -It's all Darren Youngs fault jk -Darren Young wasn't on the PPV srs -Outside of Lesnar and The Rock I don't think anyone has mega star drawing power anymore
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 23:22:01 GMT -5
If this makes anyone look bad, it's CM Punk not Daniel Bryan. Brock was clearly the draw last year so the fact him vs Punk this year dropped back down to around the 2011 number isn't great. I don't know, it's hard to compare because they wasted three Brock matches in a row on Triple H. He didn't look special in those fights either, he won the feud but he only won the last match because of Paul Heyman. His drawing power was going to drop off a bit eventually, but maybe mixing it up and having him wrestle 3 different people in those matches and making him look more special and dominant would've kept it from happening as quickly. I even thought Punk got too much offense in their match, but the precedent was set by having Triple H go toe-to-toe with him. Punk's another guy I don't think is a big draw but he's not going to hurt anything, he's very over with the existing fanbase. I don't think any other full-time wrestler was going to do any better than him in that spot, unless Brock was facing Cena again.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 20, 2013 23:28:19 GMT -5
You know what? f*** the PPV buyrate, WWE put on a really fun SummerSlam and I had a blast.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 20, 2013 23:46:59 GMT -5
You know what? f*** the PPV buyrate, WWE put on a really fun SummerSlam and I had a blast. I actually agree with this. And besides, in today's TV/movie/book climate popularity is not always indicative of quality. Some of the most popular things (cough*reality TV*cough) are garbage and vice versa. I think the best thing to do is just enjoy what you enjoy, and hope that the mouth-breathers out there don't dictate the majority of content direction.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 1:52:37 GMT -5
If this makes anyone look bad, it's CM Punk not Daniel Bryan. Brock was clearly the draw last year so the fact him vs Punk this year dropped back down to around the 2011 number isn't great. I don't know, it's hard to compare because they wasted three Brock matches in a row on Triple H. He didn't look special in those fights either, he won the feud but he only won the last match because of Paul Heyman. His drawing power was going to drop off a bit eventually, but maybe mixing it up and having him wrestle 3 different people in those matches and making him look more special and dominant would've kept it from happening as quickly. I even thought Punk got too much offense in their match, but the precedent was set by having Triple H go toe-to-toe with him. Punk's another guy I don't think is a big draw but he's not going to hurt anything, he's very over with the existing fanbase. I don't think any other full-time wrestler was going to do any better than him in that spot, unless Brock was facing Cena again. The way I look at it with Lesnar is the same way I look at with Sidney Crosby in the NHL. Sidney Crosby is the best player in the NHL. He hasn't won the scoring points leader trophy (Art Ross) or the MVP Award (Hart Trophy) since 2006-2007 because he hasn't played a full season in years because of injuries but he has the highest points per game average almost every season. If he plays a full season his points per game average will most likely drop and his mystique and aura will take a dip but his aura still stays strong after every season because during those few games he plays he dominates everybody else in stats. In other words if they booked Lesnar to be a monster every time who destroys all of his opponents in every match or appearance he is in his aura will stay incredibly strong but his aura is damaged because he faced HHH like a billion times who they made him look like his equal in every match and his loss to him qat Wrestlemania making him 1-2 really hurt his reputation. His reputation was still strong against Cena because he destroyed him and Lesnar cockiness beat him more then Cena did. If he was heading into facing CM Punk as 3-1 and say he wrestled two different other wrestlers after HHH destroying them then he would be a bigger draw due to stronger aura and being the heel the fans may think the number games maybe catching up to him and he has to lose at some point.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 21, 2013 2:29:33 GMT -5
They had just better not put the blame on that for Bryan I'm getting nervous.
No idea how Summerslam managed to pull low numbers actually? Cena/Bryan and Punk/Lesnar SHOULD have been draws (and both delivered on hype though that doesn't mean much for buyrates, other than replays). What are wrestling fans thinking? Siiiiigh.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 21, 2013 10:39:06 GMT -5
They had just better not put the blame on that for Bryan I'm getting nervous.. I wouldn't get antsy unless the NOC buyrates are abysmal as well.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 21, 2013 11:38:21 GMT -5
Meltzer is going to make a one-off comment about how this shows Daniel Bryan doesn't draw and the IWC is going to act like he set a kitten on fire. And it will be glorious!
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