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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 23, 2013 4:42:52 GMT -5
It would be a 3 way tie between The Invasion,The Nexus and the Summer of Punk.
As much as I would like to think that the Brock/HHH feud was a colossal screw up its not really surprising when you consider who was involved.
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Post by pepsitwist on Sept 23, 2013 5:24:33 GMT -5
The WWE's version of Summer of Punk got me back into their programming. His feud with Cena was utterly captivating, in and out of the ring.It was one of the few times non-fans suddenly began talking about WWE. CM Punk was the hottest product in the company. They could have kept him off television for longer, cutting taped promos about being 'the best in the world' and defending his belt in ROH or New Japan (just like he promised in his pipe bomb). All the while proclaiming he's the true champion.
Interjecting Kevin Nash (with his injury problems) was terrible. Even worse was HHH going over Punk, it sucked his momentum dry. Illogical booking all over.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 23, 2013 12:10:54 GMT -5
Are you asking us out of this list, or do you mean of all time? Because if it's of all time, the answer is The InVasion. WWF threw away literal billions by f***ing that up.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 23, 2013 12:38:46 GMT -5
Are you asking us out of this list, or do you mean of all time? Because if it's of all time, the answer is The InVasion. WWF threw away literal billions by f***ing that up. Pretty much. When fans wanted to see the WWF vs. WCW, they didn't mean the top stars of the WWF versus Vince Russo's New Blood stable. It's particularly aggrivating when you realize that they eventually brought in Hogan, Nash, Hall, Mysterio, Goldberg, and Steiner. Why didn't they try to secure those guys for that storyline? To make matters worse, the biggest star they did acquire from WCW was Diamond Dallas Page, and they buried the living shit out of him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 12:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 23, 2013 12:44:06 GMT -5
*ctrl+F WCW* *ctrl+F Alliance**shakes head in disappoint* Yeah, no question it's the Invasion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 12:44:16 GMT -5
I'll have to assume that you mean "besides the Invasion," because that was essentially WWE just throwing away the biggest sure-fire moneymaking angle in pro wrestling's entire existence.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 23, 2013 12:46:55 GMT -5
Good idea for a thread, and many options I feel I could have picked but why is Corporate Champion Randy Orton 2013 on the list? The story is nowhere near finished, so we don't have a complete picture to look back on yet.
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 23, 2013 12:49:57 GMT -5
The main reason I can never say the Invasion as a huge F' up is because I fully believe there was NO WAY to actually book it. It was an unachievable feat. People talk about dream match-ups... but you had a ton of guys that weren't going to wrestle because they were getting their contracts paid out for doing nothing. You can't book a dude that doesn't want to work.
Not only that but a couple matches were unbookable because somebody would have to lose. Good luck booking Hogan vs Austin. No shit I want to see it, so does everybody else. But how the hell do you book it? Hogan still thought he had it, why should he lay down? Austin sure as hell wasn't going to do the job. Both guys would/could walk if they didn't like what was going to happen. You could armchair book it for eternity... but it was never going to happen.
So ya, the Invasion really pissed me off and it sucked. But in retrospect, I completely understand why it was terrible. And I fully believe there was no way to make it "not" suck. It's in the same boat with the Star Wars Prequels. There was so much hype and expectation that they were bound to suck for most people.
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Sept 23, 2013 13:00:55 GMT -5
Although refusing to keep Punk off TV for over a week killed off the Summer of Punk angle. That was badly botched too. I was so excited when he left with the belt, so excited when he "crashed" Comic Con. He's the one guy at the time who could have shown up in ROH or random Indy shows with the belt and not have the fans turn on him but they screwed up. Be patient and it would have been fine. I agree with this, and I'll add, Punk's return PPV match was between TWO WWE Champions. That in itself was being talked up as a first, yet somehow didn't seem like as big a deal as it could have been.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 23, 2013 13:19:50 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding like a blind mark, I have to say Alex Riley. No I'm not going to say that they should have pushed him to the moon because he was nowhere near ready for that. However, the reason he was so iffy in the ring was because of the way they handled him during his time with The Miz. When he was with the Miz, Riley was pretty much a glorified non-wrestler, and Riley barely did anything physical apart from getting squashed or eating finishers from the top faces. IF they really wanted to push him, they should've let him get as much ring time as possible so that he could've gained experience and improved his craft when the time did eventually come to push him. They screwed up with Riley by taking him off TV entirely. Even compared to other low card talents such as Gabriel, Santino, Ryder, or the PTPs, Riley seems to be getting the shaft. Even when an opportunity presents itself to use Alex Riley, they don't. IT's almost as if they go out of their way to avoid using him. - During Zack Ryder's feud with Ziggler (who Riley was previously feuding with), instead of using Riley to stand in Ryder's corner to ward off Vickie and Swagger, they use Mason Ryan. - When Daniel Bryan won the Beat the Clock Challenge to face off against CM Punk for the WWE Title, instead of having Riley do the job, they have Jerry Lawler get up from the commentary table. - During Antonio Cesaro's U.S. Title reign, they randomly pulled William Regal out of a hat. Also, they ultimately had Cesaro drop the belt to give Kofi another forgettable reign. If he was only going to transition the belt to Ambrose, then let Riley, a guy who has experience working with Ambrose on house shows, do it instead. - They don't even use Riley for the Wheel of Aggression. - They never use Riley for APP exclusives. - During the period of time where Ziggler, Henry, Show, Kofi (and I'm sure a few others) were MIA, they have Daniel Bryan working multiple long matches in a single episode of RAW seemingly just to kill time rather than letting Riley or any other lower midcarder have just a few minutes to shine. - They never give/gave him any type of cameo on the funny YouTube shows such as the now canceled Z! True Long Island Story or Santino's Foreign Exchange, or currently on the JBL and Cole Show. - When they need a fresh new face, Instead of elevating Riley or any other face that they already have, they turn perfectly good heels face. - At Night of Champions, Riley (and Santino) are stuck on the panel while Kofi Kingston gets the random IC Title shot. Even if he was going to lose, it would've been nice to see him wrestle on PPV, even if only for one time. - He was not part of the group of babyfaces who made the save for Daniel Bryan. - During hit current commentary stint on Main Event, we've seen incidents that involved ringside interference. While Riley has stated his displeasure with these tactics on commentary (such as the Ziggler/Axel match), he isn't booked to do anything about it such as making the save for the face or warding off the interfering party. - They had new Paul Heyman Guy Ryback take on another local jobber instead of wrestling someone like Riley. So no, while Riley was not ready for the big time push they gave him, there was absolutely no real reason to take him off TV entirely. Why he can't be making semi-regular appearances on TV, even in just a jobber role. Other low carders get these little moments every now and then, but he doesn't. He's made massive improvements and has stayed over for all this time. WWE screwed him up by turning the last two years of his career into this massive what if. The truly terrifying thing about this post is that I honestly believe you're being dead serious.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 23, 2013 13:22:18 GMT -5
Although refusing to keep Punk off TV for over a week killed off the Summer of Punk angle. That was badly botched too. I was so excited when he left with the belt, so excited when he "crashed" Comic Con. He's the one guy at the time who could have shown up in ROH or random Indy shows with the belt and not have the fans turn on him but they screwed up. Be patient and it would have been fine. I agree with this, and I'll add, Punk's return PPV match was between TWO WWE Champions. That in itself was being talked up as a first, yet somehow didn't seem like as big a deal as it could have been. a lot of people bitched when he wasn't on Raw the next night. I can only imagine how bad it would have gotten if he was gone for over a month.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Sept 23, 2013 13:33:52 GMT -5
Easily the no Hogan vs Flair screw up. I mean, how was Hogan vs Flair for the WWF title NOT the main event for Wrestlemania 8?
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Post by Chip on Sept 23, 2013 13:47:49 GMT -5
The fact Ryder is even on this list is truly baffling. That was on par with the InVasion? Really? Really? I wasn't even a fan at the time and I knew how badly they f***ed that up. Are you asking us out of this list, or do you mean of all time? Because if it's of all time, the answer is The InVasion. WWF threw away literal billions by f***ing that up. Pretty much. When fans wanted to see the WWF vs. WCW, they didn't mean the top stars of the WWF versus Vince Russo's New Blood stable. It's particularly aggrivating when you realize that they eventually brought in Hogan, Nash, Hall, Mysterio, Goldberg, and Steiner. Why didn't they try to secure those guys for that storyline? To make matters worse, the biggest star they did acquire from WCW was Diamond Dallas Page, and they buried the living shit out of him. From what I understand those guys were still sitting on some hefty pay from their old WCW contracts, they preferred to sit at home and keep getting paid by I guess Turner at the time then to take Vinces offer and wrestle for the WWE. I suppose on WWE's part they didn't want to wait for something that might never come and tried to strike whilst the iron was hot, sadly with what they had it's debatable whether they should have bothered.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 23, 2013 13:54:13 GMT -5
The fact Ryder is even on this list is truly baffling. That was on par with the InVasion? Really? Really? I wasn't even a fan at the time and I knew how badly they f***ed that up. Pretty much. When fans wanted to see the WWF vs. WCW, they didn't mean the top stars of the WWF versus Vince Russo's New Blood stable. It's particularly aggrivating when you realize that they eventually brought in Hogan, Nash, Hall, Mysterio, Goldberg, and Steiner. Why didn't they try to secure those guys for that storyline? To make matters worse, the biggest star they did acquire from WCW was Diamond Dallas Page, and they buried the living shit out of him. From what I understand those guys were still sitting on some hefty pay from their old WCW contracts, they preferred to sit at home and keep getting paid by I guess Turner at the time then to take Vinces offer and wrestle for the WWE. I suppose on WWE's part they didn't want to wait for something that might never come and tried to strike whilst the iron was hot, sadly with what they had it's debatable whether they should have bothered. Yeah, the stars with the Turner contracts would rather get the easy money and I really can't blame them as there's a chance that they would get considerably less money from WWF/E if things didn't work out or you know get horrifically injured. Another factor was that the tv companies didn't want WCW so they couldn't do what they wanted with running a WCW show, as faux competition. That said they could have done much better job with what they had than what we actually got.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 23, 2013 14:09:02 GMT -5
The truly terrifying thing about this post is that I honestly believe you're being dead serious. Okay, I have to admit that "biggest" screw up was a major exaggeration, but you can't argue that the way they handled him wasn't a screw up at all. It does bug me quite a bit that Riley gets little to no face time, even in comparison to his fellow low card peers. I never said that they should've pushed him to the moon (in fact, I blatantly stated that I was against it), only that they should've used him on TV a bit more and put him in scenarios where it was plausible that he'd be involved, even if just as a bit player or a enhancement talent. Is it wrong for me to want that a wrestler I like to have a successful and respectable wrestling career?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 14:17:37 GMT -5
The fact that the poll option is "CM Punk/Nash/HHH feud" shows how much they F'd it up. Nash or HHH should have never been involved.
edit: That's the most words that have ever been typed about Alex Riley in his life.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 23, 2013 14:24:55 GMT -5
Nexus was a disaster, no doubt. Whoever thought of having such a great concept and a great group lose in their first match was an idiot (the drama with Daniel Bryan didn't help). Summer of Punk was awful too, but at least they corrected it at Survivor Series. But my pick has to be Cena vs Miz at WrestleMania 27. Such sheer stupidity in almost every aspect of that entire feud. You never, ever make the WWE Champion the third wheel in a main event feud to put a different feud over. They should've either just had Rock vs. Cena at 27 or waited to bring Rock back.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Sept 23, 2013 15:15:26 GMT -5
The main reason I can never say the Invasion as a huge F' up is because I fully believe there was NO WAY to actually book it. It was an unachievable feat. People talk about dream match-ups... but you had a ton of guys that weren't going to wrestle because they were getting their contracts paid out for doing nothing. You can't book a dude that doesn't want to work. Not only that but a couple matches were unbookable because somebody would have to lose. Good luck booking Hogan vs Austin. No shit I want to see it, so does everybody else. But how the hell do you book it? Hogan still thought he had it, why should he lay down? Austin sure as hell wasn't going to do the job. Both guys would/could walk if they didn't like what was going to happen. You could armchair book it for eternity... but it was never going to happen. So ya, the Invasion really pissed me off and it sucked. But in retrospect, I completely understand why it was terrible. And I fully believe there was no way to make it "not" suck. It's in the same boat with the Star Wars Prequels. There was so much hype and expectation that they were bound to suck for most people. Make the WCW guys (largely) faces coming in? If they're going to be underdogs, its the only way you can do it. My vote (as the Invasion was never going to end well, given the sheer pettyness of Vince) actually goes to Bischoff and McMahon hugging. A simple 'you destroyed my company, I'm going to destroy yours' storyline would have made all the money... but no. They had to do a swerve.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 23, 2013 16:03:52 GMT -5
The main reason I can never say the Invasion as a huge F' up is because I fully believe there was NO WAY to actually book it. It was an unachievable feat. People talk about dream match-ups... but you had a ton of guys that weren't going to wrestle because they were getting their contracts paid out for doing nothing. You can't book a dude that doesn't want to work. Not only that but a couple matches were unbookable because somebody would have to lose. Good luck booking Hogan vs Austin. No shit I want to see it, so does everybody else. But how the hell do you book it? Hogan still thought he had it, why should he lay down? Austin sure as hell wasn't going to do the job. Both guys would/could walk if they didn't like what was going to happen. You could armchair book it for eternity... but it was never going to happen. So ya, the Invasion really pissed me off and it sucked. But in retrospect, I completely understand why it was terrible. And I fully believe there was no way to make it "not" suck. It's in the same boat with the Star Wars Prequels. There was so much hype and expectation that they were bound to suck for most people. Except that all of those guys did later on, show up in WWE and do whatever Vince wanted. Steiner jobbed to Triple H. Hall jobbed to Austin. Goldberg jobbed to Triple H. Hogan jobbed to f***ing EVERYBODY. Get the right contract and they will job to who the f*** you say they will. Never mind the fact that you could've just kept all the feuds as evenly matched as possible and the buyrates would've skyrocketed. Who cares if it had turned out with all of one side being buried at Survivor Series anyway? If you had made WCW look like a threat for months and them shot them all in the head one by one on PPV, the WWE would still be billions of dollars richer for the buyrates of the previous PPVs.
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