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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 26, 2013 14:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 15:04:19 GMT -5
Naomi & Cameron & Brie Bella vs. Aksana & Alicia Fox & Layla lost 1,020,000 viewers, which again emphasizes that whatever exposure they got on E! doesn’t translate into more interest in them by the Monday night fans, nor has their been any new female shift in Raw viewers from the big female numbers of Total Divas.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2013 15:11:16 GMT -5
Good
DIE TOTAL DIVAS DIE!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 15:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 26, 2013 16:13:56 GMT -5
Big Show knocking legends out whilst bawling his eyes out = Ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 16:20:24 GMT -5
To me that indicates that the regular viewers just don't care about the Divas in general, AJ and Nattie were on commentary for that match IIRC.
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Post by sunnytaker on Sept 26, 2013 20:23:06 GMT -5
maybe that's why this week they had orton "officially" break the news that brie and Daniel Bryan are together. "dammit wwe universe we're going to make you care about Total Divas whether you like it or not! now cheer for them cause one's dating Daniel Bryan!!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 20:27:45 GMT -5
To me that indicates that the regular viewers just don't care about the Divas in general, AJ and Nattie were on commentary for that match IIRC. Have AJ and Nattie wrestle next week, and see what the ratings do. But wow, they didn't recover from that drop. That's really bad.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 26, 2013 20:33:01 GMT -5
I guess this goes to show, that even the "meaningless" parts of the show can have a big impact on the overall ratings.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 27, 2013 9:12:57 GMT -5
For someone considered to be ratings poison, Randy Orton seems to gain viewers every week. I've always held the belief that it's very rare that the ratings are down to the talent, moreso it's how they get used. it's why the Divas always make a massive drop-off; if you treat them like a pissbreak don't be surprised when the fans continue to do so even after you change your mind. orton's being used better than he has at any tie since 2009 and he's in a hot feud with Daniel Bryan, so of course his segments will bring things up. guy never really deserved the "ratings poison" stigma he gets, it's not his fault WWE made him boring after his feud with Triple H in 2009.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 27, 2013 11:37:49 GMT -5
The problem with the Divas is that WWE are doing everything backwards. Instead of pushing AJ as the face (which the fans clearly regard her as) they are pushing her as the heel. It also makes no sense for Nattie to be allied with the Bellas. They've been bullying her for ages, and now she's their best friend? It would have made more sense if the feud was based on the Bellas telling Nattie that she doesn't belong on Total Divas, and they are the real stars. Then Nattie could side with AJ against them. No one wants to cheer for the Bellas.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 27, 2013 11:56:38 GMT -5
The problem with the Divas is that WWE are doing everything backwards. Instead of pushing AJ as the face (which the fans clearly regard her as) they are pushing her as the heel. It also makes no sense for Nattie to be allied with the Bellas. They've been bullying her for ages, and now she's their best friend? It would have made more sense if the feud was based on the Bellas telling Nattie that she doesn't belong on Total Divas, and they are the real stars. Then Nattie could side with AJ against them. No one wants to cheer for the Bellas. I seriously doubt the divas segment ratings would miraculously shift if AJ was a face.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 27, 2013 11:58:41 GMT -5
To me that indicates that the regular viewers just don't care about the Divas in general, AJ and Nattie were on commentary for that match IIRC. The suggestion doesn't quite stick. AJ's drawn well in the past - off the top of my head, the secret admirer reveal for Kaitlyn and her pipebomb a few weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 12:05:15 GMT -5
To me that indicates that the regular viewers just don't care about the Divas in general, AJ and Nattie were on commentary for that match IIRC. The suggestion doesn't quite stick. AJ's drawn well in the past - off the top of my head, the secret admirer reveal for Kaitlyn and her pipebomb a few weeks ago. Precisely. Whether you like AJ or not, regardless of her crowd reactions, people pay attention to her. Or at least, they're not so opposed to doing so as they are when the focus is on the Bellas. So many people on the interwebs like the Bellas and I continue to not understand why. They're not noteworthy at all for their wrestling skills, they've never been over as heels, at their very best as faces have garnered small responses, and pushed at the expense of a great many other workers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 12:29:51 GMT -5
To me that indicates that the regular viewers just don't care about the Divas in general, AJ and Nattie were on commentary for that match IIRC. The suggestion doesn't quite stick. AJ's drawn well in the past - off the top of my head, the secret admirer reveal for Kaitlyn and her pipebomb a few weeks ago. The Kaitlyn stuff was pretty good but that's because it was booked decently. AJ's shoot was moronic and it's quite possible that people watched it and then didn't buy into it and thus didn't bother to watch this segment. I'm not blaming AJ entirely, but she is involved in the angle and is one of the main focal points so she can't be outright dismissed and the blame laid at the feet of all of the other Divas. If she was a great draw people would stick around to see what she said/did, the fact that they didn't is indicative that a lot of viewers just don't care about the Divas division in general. Obviously there's no real way to prove this either way at the moment though.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 27, 2013 12:40:00 GMT -5
The suggestion doesn't quite stick. AJ's drawn well in the past - off the top of my head, the secret admirer reveal for Kaitlyn and her pipebomb a few weeks ago. The Kaitlyn stuff was pretty good but that's because it was booked decently. AJ's shoot was moronic and it's quite possible that people watched it and then didn't buy into it and thus didn't bother to watch this segment. I'm not blaming AJ entirely, but she is involved in the angle and is one of the main focal points so she can't be outright dismissed and the blame laid at the feet of all of the other Divas. If she was a great draw people would stick around to see what she said/did, the fact that they didn't is indicative that a lot of viewers just don't care about the Divas division in general. Obviously there's no real way to prove this either way at the moment though. The fact that people tuned in to watch her segments with Kaitlyn indicates that the audience will tune in to watch the women, or anyone, if the story is compelling enough. You can't put AJ in an angle that's tedious at best and then reach the conclusion that she can't draw. It's disingenuous. She's established enough that people will tune in to see her; her promo a few weeks ago, if I recall, turned a loss into a gain. There has to be something to back it, though. It's no different than if Bryan feuded with Orton exclusively via commentary and angry stares.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 12:48:55 GMT -5
The Kaitlyn stuff was pretty good but that's because it was booked decently. AJ's shoot was moronic and it's quite possible that people watched it and then didn't buy into it and thus didn't bother to watch this segment. I'm not blaming AJ entirely, but she is involved in the angle and is one of the main focal points so she can't be outright dismissed and the blame laid at the feet of all of the other Divas. If she was a great draw people would stick around to see what she said/did, the fact that they didn't is indicative that a lot of viewers just don't care about the Divas division in general. Obviously there's no real way to prove this either way at the moment though. The fact that people tuned in to watch her segments with Kaitlyn indicates that the audience will tune in to watch the women, or anyone, if the story is compelling enough. You can't put AJ in an angle that's tedious at best and then reach the conclusion that she can't draw. It's disingenuous. She's established enough that people will tune in to see her; her promo a few weeks ago, if I recall, turned a loss into a gain. There has to be something to back it, though. It's no different than if Bryan feuded with Orton exclusively via commentary and angry stare. You are correct that if the story is decent people will tune in if the angle is decent. I'm not saying that AJ can't draw, I'm saying that she's not the draw that a lot of people like to pretend like she is. She's alright, and her feud with Kaitlyn was enjoyable, but a lot of people like to pretend like it's all of the Total Divas and others fault that these segments are doing poorly and AJ is somehow not in anyway accountable for a poorly rated segment despite being out there and involved. Yes, this angle and it's segments are dire all the way around, Total Divas and AJ included. I love Total Divas but I would have much preferred that their continuity never crossed into regular WWE, exactly for this reason.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 27, 2013 13:18:27 GMT -5
The fact that people tuned in to watch her segments with Kaitlyn indicates that the audience will tune in to watch the women, or anyone, if the story is compelling enough. You can't put AJ in an angle that's tedious at best and then reach the conclusion that she can't draw. It's disingenuous. She's established enough that people will tune in to see her; her promo a few weeks ago, if I recall, turned a loss into a gain. There has to be something to back it, though. It's no different than if Bryan feuded with Orton exclusively via commentary and angry stare. You are correct that if the story is decent people will tune in if the angle is decent. I'm not saying that AJ can't draw, I'm saying that she's not the draw that a lot of people like to pretend like she is. She's alright, and her feud with Kaitlyn was enjoyable, but a lot of people like to pretend like it's all of the Total Divas and others fault that these segments are doing poorly and AJ is somehow not in anyway accountable for a poorly rated segment despite being out there and involved. Yes, this angle and it's segments are dire all the way around, Total Divas and AJ included. I love Total Divas but I would have much preferred that their continuity never crossed into regular WWE, exactly for this reason. The idea that AJ can draw all by herself, regardless of the story she's involved in, is pretty ridiculous. I agree. We've seen even The Rock and Lesnar and their diminishing returns. No one on the roster, especially someone who is there every week, draws on their own. I just think pointing it at AJ is a bit misplaced. It's like blaming Clark Gregg if the new SHIELD show doesn't succeed as a ratings hit, as opposed to looking at the writing. Blaming the Total Divas themselves is also iffy, but I can understand that given that the angle is designed to push them and they can't even pop a crowd.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 27, 2013 13:27:46 GMT -5
The problem with the Divas is that WWE are doing everything backwards. Instead of pushing AJ as the face (which the fans clearly regard her as) they are pushing her as the heel. It also makes no sense for Nattie to be allied with the Bellas. They've been bullying her for ages, and now she's their best friend? It would have made more sense if the feud was based on the Bellas telling Nattie that she doesn't belong on Total Divas, and they are the real stars. Then Nattie could side with AJ against them. No one wants to cheer for the Bellas. I seriously doubt the divas segment ratings would miraculously shift if AJ was a face. I think it would. Shoehorned booking is a problem WWE have had for a long time. Not just with Divas.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 27, 2013 14:21:46 GMT -5
The suggestion doesn't quite stick. AJ's drawn well in the past - off the top of my head, the secret admirer reveal for Kaitlyn and her pipebomb a few weeks ago. Precisely. Whether you like AJ or not, regardless of her crowd reactions, people pay attention to her. Or at least, they're not so opposed to doing so as they are when the focus is on the Bellas. So many people on the interwebs like the Bellas and I continue to not understand why. They're not noteworthy at all for their wrestling skills, they've never been over as heels, at their very best as faces have garnered small responses, and pushed at the expense of a great many other workers. The Bellas do nothing for me on camera, but their real life misadventures are quite entertaining. I guess you could say I'm a fan of the Bellas, but not The Bellas.
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