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Post by Young Game on Sept 29, 2013 11:58:45 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. It got a chuckle out of me. I like that the sock is portrayed as somehow being an actual, sentient being. Next week 3MB should bring a Mongoose to fight the Cobra. {Spoiler}  How about a Moongoose? |
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Post by BigWill on Sept 29, 2013 12:34:14 GMT -5
But it's not just this one example that's too ridiculous. There's a bunch out there that's just as ridiculous if not more so. Just because we're not discussing them all in this very thread doesn't mean everyone just accepted them. In an ideal wrestling fandom, all of those things would be accepted. The very core element of wrestling is over-the-top wackiness, and segments like these are always needed to balance out the often super serious nature of the show- especially now, as much as I'm enjoying Best For Business. Nobody buys that it's real anymore, so logically there shouldn't be any more limits as to what's too "unbelievable". If I want a simulated sport, I can just go watch a real sport. Just because everyone knows wrestling isn't real, doesn't mean I have to accept every over-the-top segment as entertaining. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 29, 2013 20:32:27 GMT -5
Comedy is subjective. I completely understand people finding the Santino thing as way too much on the goofy side. It was beyond over-the-top (which is why I found it, and most Santino escapades hilarious) and rather kid-ish. Something that would've been perfect for Saturday Morning Slam (I MISS SATURDAY MORNING SLAM).
Although from an over-evaluating kayfabe stance, I do enjoy how Santino seems to believe his sock puppet is alive to the point of treating it as a completely sentient creature that exists by absorbing his hand and lower arm but it would suggest some sort of mental issue that he could use a psychologist to treat...hey. What's Dr. Shelby up to?
Also, I wouldn't mind a tongue-in-cheek recreation of the Randy Savage snake bite with Santino's Cobra latching onto to a poor defenseless Heath Slater. "I...I hope that Cobra has been de-linen-ized!"
...I have no real clue where I was going with this post.
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Post by Young Game on Sept 29, 2013 20:40:29 GMT -5
 The Cobra. Amongst Legends & Legend Killers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 20:40:38 GMT -5
And then Curtis Axel showed up and tried to play Kaval, to no avail.
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Post by Chip on Sept 29, 2013 20:47:51 GMT -5
That's like saying no one should go down to the Peoples Elbow because its 10 seconds of theatrics and a half-assed elbow. No-one should go down to the People's Elbow. |
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Post by A damn road sign on Sept 29, 2013 21:43:28 GMT -5
And then Curtis Axel showed up and tried to play Kaval, to no avail. This ain't a swimming pool. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 30, 2013 0:35:28 GMT -5
Hands down the dumbest thing on WWE in quite some time. And a bit racist too. Still better than MacGruber making R-Truth explode. |
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 30, 2013 3:11:00 GMT -5
That was one of those things that was so dumb and ridiculous that it was spectacular. I couldn't stop laughing.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Sept 30, 2013 7:04:09 GMT -5
I knew there would be a thread about this and as mentioned previously it would have been better as backstage and not in the ring. I didn't 'hate it' per say, I just found it awkward. The crowd weren't into it and I felt myself cringing as it happened. I also thought it was pretty racist.
However, if we are going along with Santino's cobra being a 'real snake' then can he start taking it to the ring in a cloth bag like Jake did?
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Post by Young Game on Sept 30, 2013 9:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Sept 30, 2013 9:11:20 GMT -5
Haha Khali is such a dick. I have never said this before, but Khali entertained the hell out of me in that video. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 9:22:43 GMT -5
Wrestling desperately needs more stuff like this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 17:12:58 GMT -5
But it's not just this one example that's too ridiculous. There's a bunch out there that's just as ridiculous if not more so. Just because we're not discussing them all in this very thread doesn't mean everyone just accepted them. In an ideal wrestling fandom, all of those things would be accepted. The very core element of wrestling is over-the-top wackiness, and segments like these are always needed to balance out the often super serious nature of the show- especially now, as much as I'm enjoying Best For Business. Nobody buys that it's real anymore, so logically there shouldn't be any more limits as to what's too "unbelievable". If I want a simulated sport, I can just go watch a real sport. You know that's your opinion, and that's great. But I find it off-putting to say "this is how fans should be". To me that's worse than not liking something like this. It wasn't for me, didn't enjoy it but I understand those who did. I don't think it's fair to say the "ideal" fandom should like this or that. I don't necessarily tune-in for over the top wackiness, I like the mix of scripted drama and physicality. Doesn't mean I hate all wackiness, and some of it is great, but not liking all of it and accepting that any wacky thing could and should happen doesn't make me a less "ideal" fan or "too serious", imo. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 30, 2013 18:16:51 GMT -5
In an ideal wrestling fandom, all of those things would be accepted. The very core element of wrestling is over-the-top wackiness, and segments like these are always needed to balance out the often super serious nature of the show- especially now, as much as I'm enjoying Best For Business. Nobody buys that it's real anymore, so logically there shouldn't be any more limits as to what's too "unbelievable". If I want a simulated sport, I can just go watch a real sport. You know that's your opinion, and that's great. But I find it off-putting to say "this is how fans should be". To me that's worse than not liking something like this. It wasn't for me, didn't enjoy it but I understand those who did. I don't think it's fair to say the "ideal" fandom should like this or that. I don't necessarily tune-in for over the top wackiness, I like the mix of scripted drama and physicality. Doesn't mean I hate all wackiness, and some of it is great, but not liking all of it and accepting that any wacky thing could and should happen doesn't make me a less "ideal" fan or "too serious", imo. I did say "accept" rather than "like". While I do think comedy matches like these do and should have a place on the show, as I thought it was pretty tame compared to other stuff WWE's done, I wouldn't ever try to claim someone was less than for not flat out enjoying it. It's not for everybody clearly, but in an ideal fandom no one would be pushing for having only one creative approach. And to be fair (and also momentarily putting aside the largest portion of fans that want a balanced product), the segment of fans pushing for an off the wall wacky product are widely, widely outnumbered by the segment of those wanting a humorless one. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 18:25:55 GMT -5
If that were the whole show, that would have sucked.
Considering 99% of RAW is super-serious corporate drama, having this small, 7min bit in a 3 hour show was a nice change of pace.
They could stand to have a bit more variety in the show to be honest. I mean, when you've got a three hour show + SD, you've got to add some levity/absurdity to make it a well rounded show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 18:41:16 GMT -5
You know that's your opinion, and that's great. But I find it off-putting to say "this is how fans should be". To me that's worse than not liking something like this. It wasn't for me, didn't enjoy it but I understand those who did. I don't think it's fair to say the "ideal" fandom should like this or that. I don't necessarily tune-in for over the top wackiness, I like the mix of scripted drama and physicality. Doesn't mean I hate all wackiness, and some of it is great, but not liking all of it and accepting that any wacky thing could and should happen doesn't make me a less "ideal" fan or "too serious", imo. I did say "accept" rather than "like". While I do think comedy matches like these do and should have a place on the show, as I thought it was pretty tame compared to other stuff WWE's done, I wouldn't ever try to claim someone was less than for not flat out enjoying it. It's not for everybody clearly, but in an ideal fandom no one would be pushing for having only one creative approach. And to be fair (and also momentarily putting aside the largest portion of fans that want a balanced product), the segment of fans pushing for an off the wall wacky product are widely, widely outnumbered by the segment of those wanting a humorless one. Accept does change the meaning, that's fair. I do accept it, it didn't disgust me or make me want to turn off the show, it just wasn't entertaining to me. We must have different perspectives on the second point. My main experience with the opinions of wrestling fans is right here on the FAN, and if this thread and entire forum is any indication, people are definitely down for wackiness and not all that welcoming to people that find segments like this embarrassing and stupid (that's not how I feel, by the way, I don't look at it from the perspective of "what would my friends think if they saw this?"). I can't speak for twitter/facebook/youtube comments because I usually don't bother. On here, people are more likely to say "things like this are fun, and wrestling should be fun" than "this is stupid, and wrestling should be serious all the time". |
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