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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 16:29:20 GMT -5
Are you telling me that you wouldn't be entertained by watching Miz play badass with his angry faces of doom? That would be a goldmine of hilarity. I don't want Miz to be a bad ass, and if he turns heel, it's just going to be worse. I'd rather Miz be a self aware comedy guy who makes fun of himself and takes the piss out of himself for his awkward facial expressions. one day, i really do hope you get your dream wrestling company of hunky, self-aware, mediocre, rapey frat boy babyfaces. i just hope it's not a company i'm watching
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Post by mrjl on Sept 28, 2013 16:38:14 GMT -5
I can see it happening easily. He could easily say that it's because of how everyone races to Daniel's aid but no one comes to his, too. the first time it happened to Miz was actually the inspiration for the rescue of Bryan, the second attack was just one punch.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 28, 2013 17:03:05 GMT -5
I don't want Miz to be a bad ass, and if he turns heel, it's just going to be worse. I'd rather Miz be a self aware comedy guy who makes fun of himself and takes the piss out of himself for his awkward facial expressions. one day, i really do hope you get your dream wrestling company of hunky, self-aware, mediocre, rapey frat boy babyfaces. i just hope it's not a company i'm watching I know I have a thing for non-descript, good looking dudebro types, but mediocre is a harsh descriptor of Miz. Face Miz isn't as bad as he's made out to be. They just really shouldn't make him a serious "rallying the troops" kind of guy. Miz is better as a light hearted jobber to the stars (no more ridiculous squash matches like the one against Orton) who is credible enough that he can main event when they need him to, than he is at being a badass. And yes, WWE could use a face stable of comedy frat boys and Miz would be the perfect choice to lead that stable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 17:07:39 GMT -5
Miz and Alex Riley should be the announce team on Smackdown, throw someone like Dusty Rhodes or Booker T in the third slot.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 28, 2013 17:13:16 GMT -5
Miz and Alex Riley should be the announce team on Smackdown, throw someone like Dusty Rhodes or Booker T in the third slot. I love Miz and A-Ry, but if they were part of a three man team it needs to be with a seasoned play by play guy like Cole or Josh. Having a team of three color guys, especially someone with Booker or Dusty's "unique" way of speaking just sounds like it would be a mess. I actually think that "wrestling commentator" should be Miz and Riley's gimmick as a tag team. Let them be two guys who aren't afraid to take off the headsets and jump into the fray when their fellow faces need help. Or you just have some random bit where they're talking about some random stuff, then Miz's music hits, both of them stand up, take off their suits and reveal that they're wearing their gear underneath.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 28, 2013 17:20:02 GMT -5
one day, i really do hope you get your dream wrestling company of hunky, self-aware, mediocre, rapey frat boy babyfaces. i just hope it's not a company i'm watching I know I have a thing for non-descript, good looking dudebro types, but mediocre is a harsh descriptor of Miz. Face Miz isn't as bad as he's made out to be. They just really shouldn't make him a serious "rallying the troops" kind of guy. Miz is better as a light hearted jobber to the stars (no more ridiculous squash matches like the one against Orton) who is credible enough that he can main event when they need him to, than he is at being a badass. And yes, WWE could use a face stable of comedy frat boys and Miz would be the perfect choice to lead that stable. these days frat boy types aren't all that popular. A group like that might get some cheers at first, but they be turned on quickly and without effort by WWE I think
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 28, 2013 20:52:46 GMT -5
Yes. Miz is just awful as a face.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 28, 2013 20:58:39 GMT -5
Yes. Miz's face is just awful.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Sept 28, 2013 21:06:10 GMT -5
With the way Miz has been booked against Orton and the crowds less than enthusiastic acceptance of him, I feel like this could be a real possibility. I think that by starting this mini-feud between Miz and Orton, if Miz ran down to the ring in the middle of the match at Battleground, it would appear that he was out to screw Orton. However, I don't think it would be a stretch for Miz to betray Bryan. His explanation would write itself. The WWE locker room let Orton nearly end his career in front of his family, and not one person ran down to help him. Meanwhile, when Daniel Bryan was in trouble, everyone came running to his rescue. He can make reference to the fact that the WWE Universe actually wanted Randy Orton to hurt him despite the Miz going out of his way to pose for pictures, sign their autographs, and kiss their babies. Basically, HHH and Stephanie were right that he didn't make the most of his opportunities, but it was only when he started worrying about what the fans wanted that he went off course. This would be a good test to see if Bryan is so over as a face that he can transfer heat to Miz who really hasn't drawn strong interest one way or another for over a year, but has shown in the past that he can. It allows Orton to retain and sets up another feud for Bryan to keep things fresh. That sounds terrible. For one thing, why would he be a heel for that? He would be absolutely right, I hate when we're supposed to boo someone for being correct.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Sept 28, 2013 21:25:11 GMT -5
We need a reunion of Show Miz!
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Post by Essential1 on Sept 28, 2013 22:03:10 GMT -5
Miz looks like a dick so that's one big reason why he sucks as a face. Why do I want to cheer for a annoying.pandering worm of a man? Just needs to be a midcard heel who has the odd main event match.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 28, 2013 22:09:58 GMT -5
Miz looks like a dick so that's one big reason why he sucks as a face. Why do I want to cheer for a annoying.pandering worm of a man? Just needs to be a midcard heel who has the odd main event match. Miz is a great face. With his smaller size and (percieved) lack of workrate, he makes a great JTTS underdog. He can be the most entertaining guy on the roster when they just let him be a dorky goofball.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Sept 28, 2013 22:12:47 GMT -5
With the way Miz has been booked against Orton and the crowds less than enthusiastic acceptance of him, I feel like this could be a real possibility. I think that by starting this mini-feud between Miz and Orton, if Miz ran down to the ring in the middle of the match at Battleground, it would appear that he was out to screw Orton. However, I don't think it would be a stretch for Miz to betray Bryan. His explanation would write itself. The WWE locker room let Orton nearly end his career in front of his family, and not one person ran down to help him. Meanwhile, when Daniel Bryan was in trouble, everyone came running to his rescue. He can make reference to the fact that the WWE Universe actually wanted Randy Orton to hurt him despite the Miz going out of his way to pose for pictures, sign their autographs, and kiss their babies. Basically, HHH and Stephanie were right that he didn't make the most of his opportunities, but it was only when he started worrying about what the fans wanted that he went off course. This would be a good test to see if Bryan is so over as a face that he can transfer heat to Miz who really hasn't drawn strong interest one way or another for over a year, but has shown in the past that he can. It allows Orton to retain and sets up another feud for Bryan to keep things fresh. That sounds terrible. For one thing, why would he be a heel for that? He would be absolutely right, I hate when we're supposed to boo someone for being correct. Actually, he would be the heel for blaming everyone but himself for his own failures and for expressing his justified fusstrations by sneak attack rather than talking about it openly and honestly. The best heels are the ones that feel justified, and Miz's turn would absolutely have some reasons to feel justified in his fusstrations.
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Post by Essential1 on Sept 28, 2013 22:46:59 GMT -5
Miz looks like a dick so that's one big reason why he sucks as a face. Why do I want to cheer for a annoying.pandering worm of a man? Just needs to be a midcard heel who has the odd main event match. Miz is a great face. With his smaller size and (percieved) lack of workrate, he makes a great JTTS underdog. He can be the most entertaining guy on the roster when they just let him be a dorky goofball. He's not that funny though. Remember his "mum joke" to Punk. Oooooooooooooooooh
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 29, 2013 0:09:08 GMT -5
Miz's face turn hasn't panned well because much like all faces they tend to water them down too much. They change Punk, Ziggler, and Miz into speakers who spout off lame insults instead of keeping them the same as faces. That's what made The Rock, Austin, Taker, and even Eddie Guerrero great faces. Their promos and attitude didn't change, thus the audience took a liking to them that much more.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 29, 2013 0:50:05 GMT -5
Miz is a great face. With his smaller size and (percieved) lack of workrate, he makes a great JTTS underdog. He can be the most entertaining guy on the roster when they just let him be a dorky goofball. He's not that funny though. Remember his "mum joke" to Punk. Oooooooooooooooooh I liked the Your Mom" joke. That was like the ultimate display of bro-ism from Miz. Miz just has this "thing" about him that makes him fun to watch The Miz/Punk segment was actually good. Punk got so agitated and belligerent with him trying to goad him into a shoot war and Miz just no-sold him the whole time. In Miz's own way, he fought back by conveying the idea that Punk had nothing interesting to say without his precious kayfabe destroying jabs. He managed to shoot back without actually shooting. Face Miz has had other moments as well... - The handicap match against the PTPs where Miz mocked the Millions of Dollars dance and Titus' dog bark - Alex Riley's rant on WWE Inbox about breaking his New Year's resolution to never hang out with Miz again, while Miz just mugs and smirks for the camera - Fandango cosplay - Mizco Inferno twerking segment. Also, I think Miz does the "Rise Above Hate" gimmick a whole lot better than Cena could. While Cena is the ultimate good guy who is unwavering in his resolve to not let detractors shake him, Miz just goes full on "Haters Gonna Hate" with it and I love it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 1:02:21 GMT -5
one day, i really do hope you get your dream wrestling company of hunky, self-aware, mediocre, rapey frat boy babyfaces. i just hope it's not a company i'm watching I know I have a thing for non-descript, good looking dudebro types, but mediocre is a harsh descriptor of Miz. Face Miz isn't as bad as he's made out to be. They just really shouldn't make him a serious "rallying the troops" kind of guy. Miz is better as a light hearted jobber to the stars (no more ridiculous squash matches like the one against Orton) who is credible enough that he can main event when they need him to, than he is at being a badass. And yes, WWE could use a face stable of comedy frat boys and Miz would be the perfect choice to lead that stable. I wasn't really slamming Miz for being mediocre, though that is my opinion of him for what I look for in wrestling. Just that having "talent" doesn't seem to be a big thing for you in terms of who your favorites are like it is for me, and you like/want to see not-so-great wrestlers that acknowledge their short-comings. Wrestling is something different to everyone, so it's not like you or I is right or wrong. Maybe I worded it weird, but I just meant that I wish you could have the product you're looking for, because I like your posts even though I don't necessarily agree with you often in terms of what I want to see myself.
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Post by Essential1 on Sept 29, 2013 1:03:44 GMT -5
You lost me at "I liked his my joke" CATCH_US/MIZ
I think that wraps things up for me. Although I do know he can be good SOMETIMES.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 29, 2013 2:41:35 GMT -5
I know I have a thing for non-descript, good looking dudebro types, but mediocre is a harsh descriptor of Miz. Face Miz isn't as bad as he's made out to be. They just really shouldn't make him a serious "rallying the troops" kind of guy. Miz is better as a light hearted jobber to the stars (no more ridiculous squash matches like the one against Orton) who is credible enough that he can main event when they need him to, than he is at being a badass. And yes, WWE could use a face stable of comedy frat boys and Miz would be the perfect choice to lead that stable. I wasn't really slamming Miz for being mediocre, though that is my opinion of him for what I look for in wrestling. Just that having "talent" doesn't seem to be a big thing for you in terms of who your favorites are like it is for me, and you like/want to see not-so-great wrestlers that acknowledge their short-comings. Wrestling is something different to everyone, so it's not like you or I is right or wrong. Maybe I worded it weird, but I just meant that I wish you could have the product you're looking for, because I like your posts even though I don't necessarily agree with you often in terms of what I want to see myself. No problem, dude. I understand. I get that everyone has their own tastes. Wrestling is different to everyone. But WWE in its desire to be a "variety show" has a little something for everyone. It's not that I don't care about "talent". I like guys like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk just as much as I like The Miz and Alex Riley. It's just that I don't believe that just because one wrestler isn't as good as another, that it means they're absolutely shit. Miz is not going to bust out 40 different awesome signature moves like Cesaro, or wrestle circles around people like Bryan, but it doesn't mean he isn't untalented. I just don't believe that just because Wrestler A isn't as good as Wrestler B, that Wrestler A doesn't deserve a spot on the roster or something like that. I'm not looking for a "dream promotion" where everyone looks like Zack Ryder and wrestles like Alex Riley. I just think that not everyone needs to be a technical wizard who puts on clinics every night. I just felt like Miz is being misused as a character, that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 3:26:00 GMT -5
I wasn't really slamming Miz for being mediocre, though that is my opinion of him for what I look for in wrestling. Just that having "talent" doesn't seem to be a big thing for you in terms of who your favorites are like it is for me, and you like/want to see not-so-great wrestlers that acknowledge their short-comings. Wrestling is something different to everyone, so it's not like you or I is right or wrong. Maybe I worded it weird, but I just meant that I wish you could have the product you're looking for, because I like your posts even though I don't necessarily agree with you often in terms of what I want to see myself. No problem, dude. I understand. I get that everyone has their own tastes. Wrestling is different to everyone. But WWE in its desire to be a "variety show" has a little something for everyone. It's not that I don't care about "talent". I like guys like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk just as much as I like The Miz and Alex Riley. It's just that I don't believe that just because one wrestler isn't as good as another, that it means they're absolutely shit. Miz is not going to bust out 40 different awesome signature moves like Cesaro, or wrestle circles around people like Bryan, but it doesn't mean he isn't untalented. I just don't believe that just because Wrestler A isn't as good as Wrestler B, that Wrestler A doesn't deserve a spot on the roster or something like that. I'm not looking for a "dream promotion" where everyone looks like Zack Ryder and wrestles like Alex Riley. I just think that not everyone needs to be a technical wizard who puts on clinics every night. I just felt like Miz is being misused as a character, that's all. I'd agree there, Miz is being misused as a character. He's not a favorite of mine (though reading through some old threads I made, apparently I was a pretty big fan about a year and a half ago, totally forgot), but the way he's being used does him no favors. I feel like I pidgeonholed you a bit, didn't mean to do that. I'm sure I could easily be pidgeonholed as a proponent of serious-business wrestling where logic and realism reign supreme, even though I don't feel that way all the time it's probably how a lot of my posts come across. I find it interesting that you like the idea of wrestlers that are self-aware of their quirks (like Del Rio's "aggression!" or Miz's rape faces) and find wrestlers sympathetic because of their perceived lack of skills. I'd just never think that way, I'm all about wrestlers accentuating their strengths and hiding or fixing their negatives, and can't find much sympathy for a character because he's not as skilled as his opponent. It's just a totally different perspective on wrestling than I have, it's pretty cool.
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