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Post by Glitch on Sept 29, 2013 23:16:09 GMT -5
By this I mean matches some fans think the wrestlers owe them. Specifically something like the Sting versus Undertaker dream match. Each I time hear it brought up, I always hear that Sting "doesn't have an excuse" or that he is being selfish. And also to a lesser extent the Hogan/Austin match when it was possible.
The way I see it, Sting paid his years of dues and doesn't owe you shit. I dunno if the match would have been great, but he can run out the end of his career however he likes.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 30, 2013 2:22:19 GMT -5
I frankly don't even know why Sting vs. Taker is a dream match. I think because of the hype video so many, many people were convinced was Sting, but was always clearly just Taker.
I think them being fooled by their own wishful thinking is what fuels that demand. I don't know.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 30, 2013 3:52:03 GMT -5
I don't get it since usually dream matches tend to be "mirror matches", of similar styles or builds or characters. Sting and Undertaker have virtually nothing in common, and even at their peaks, would probably not have the most chemistry.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 30, 2013 4:01:58 GMT -5
I have no interest in Sting vs. Taker, and I prefer the prospect of Sting going out as "The Greatest to Never Wrestle for WWE" over him "having his last match in a WWE ring".
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 30, 2013 4:02:22 GMT -5
I don't get it since usually dream matches tend to be "mirror matches", of similar styles or builds or characters. Sting and Undertaker have virtually nothing in common, and even at their peaks, would probably not have the most chemistry. Well, they both wore trenchcoats, black, and had long hair, wore gloves, and they're both wrestlers. That's enough. Isn't it? Frankly, I'd see Sting vs. Rock as a more desirable "dream" match, but frankly, I never saw Sting as a player myself, so no match he's in is really a dream to me. And hey, it's my $75 or whatever Mania costs now, so it counts. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 30, 2013 6:50:27 GMT -5
The reason this is such a dream match is this. In the pike of wrestling in 97/98 Both men where the Dark character of there company but still a baby face. That where it all started and they are both the guy considered the franchise of there companies. Sting never left WCW and was there go to guy. The Undertaker once he joined the WWE became that. The go to guy who they can trust to never leave. As a time went on it always became WCW Franchise player vs. the WWE franchise player. Sure now days Sting and Taker are more the respectful legends.
Honestly the whole Sting vs. Taker at Mania deal everyone wants shouldn't happen at WM. Because Sting wouldn't win.So why should Sting come to the WWE to job to the Undertaker? Because lets face it that would kill Sting if they did what everyone wants. Come face Taker and loss, get a DVD release, and go into the hof. Most people now will say what was all the hype about him about? Because a lot of people clearly don't watch TNA and all the WWE fans are only going to know about Sting is whatever was released about him.
The match itself has the story but the ending is to clear and is it worth it to Sting to do that? I doubt it.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 30, 2013 7:55:38 GMT -5
I think fans on the internet have grossly exaggerated the demand for a sting vs undertaker match.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Sept 30, 2013 8:40:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I would've been to interested in this "dream match" when Sting & Taker were in their primes. I'm less interested in it now with them being old men.
If it happens, neat. If it doesn't, I sure won't lose any sleep over it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 30, 2013 8:51:23 GMT -5
I think fans on the internet have grossly exaggerated the demand for a sting vs undertaker match. Not even all of us at that. I like both guys, but care nothing bout seeing a match between em in 2013. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 9:19:22 GMT -5
I don't get it since usually dream matches tend to be "mirror matches", of similar styles or builds or characters. I never really got this either. I'd rather see dream matches that would be really fun, like Dolph Ziggler vs Ultimate Warrior, circa 1990. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 30, 2013 9:30:44 GMT -5
I have no interest in Sting vs. Taker, and I prefer the prospect of Sting going out as "The Greatest to Never Wrestle for WWE" over him "having his last match in a WWE ring". Nick Bockwinkel and Lou Thesz hold that honor. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 9:32:57 GMT -5
I have no interest in Sting vs. Taker, and I prefer the prospect of Sting going out as "The Greatest to Never Wrestle for WWE" over him "having his last match in a WWE ring". Nick Bockwinkel and Lou Thesz hold that honor. You can take Lou Thesz off the list, though - he was allegedly in a "legends" battle royal some time in the mid '80s. It's a match I've been trying to find a copy of for a while to no avail. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 30, 2013 9:38:55 GMT -5
Nick Bockwinkel and Lou Thesz hold that honor. You can take Lou Thesz off the list, though - he was allegedly in a "legends" battle royal some time in the mid '80s. It's a match I've been trying to find a copy of for a while to no avail. Maybe WWE got evidence of this somewhere in their archives. Until then, it as real as Green DX Kane. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 10:53:49 GMT -5
In whatever forum in the world you will always find people who will accuse entertainers/writers/other non-celebrity human beings of being selfish for not allowing them to have their dream match on a PPV.
Whether it's Sting, Goldberg/Hogan again, Chris Daniels/Kazarian/Robert Roode/other good guys in WWE etc (it doesn't solely apply to old legends as I'm sure we've all seen) there will always be those who seem to be entitled enough to believe it's a slight against them if both x company and y wrestler isn't there to serve some storyline they concoct themselves.
But it's a minority, those who speak negatively (whether it's a logical complaint OR an entitled largely selfish one) are the majority on any forum in general, simply because there is more to say about what's wrong in the world than what's right so it seems like a larger percentage of people than it actually is. On here and a few others places I tend to see people (including myself) suggest return/comeback ideas, but it's never done with anything other than hope or to see something we doubt would occur.
It'd be a shame if Sting didn't get to face Undertaker in WWE ("the big stage" etc) is something I see more regularly than "Sting's a reet dickhead for not performing with 'Taker, what a tool."
Well, apart from on Youtube of course, but Youtube is only handy if you want to measure the true popularity of guys! (/not really)
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Sept 30, 2013 13:16:26 GMT -5
You can take Lou Thesz off the list, though - he was allegedly in a "legends" battle royal some time in the mid '80s. It's a match I've been trying to find a copy of for a while to no avail. Maybe WWE got evidence of this somewhere in their archives. Until then, it as real as Green DX Kane. I've been trying to find the legends battle royal as well. But, Thesz did work with WWF on at least one occasion: Thesz interviewed by Vince |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 13:44:38 GMT -5
I frankly don't even know why Sting vs. Taker is a dream match. I think because of the hype video so many, many people were convinced was Sting, but was always clearly just Taker. I think them being fooled by their own wishful thinking is what fuels that demand. I don't know. To be fair that video was aired as WWE were negotiating with Sting at the time (it was based on the hype video for Stings match with Hogan at Starcadde with the same shots) then negotiations fell through and Sting returned to TNA. Sting has said in interviews he was negotiating with WWE at that time and nearly went there. I think WWE's thinking was air the Sting hype video before he even signs a contract and if he ends up not signing they can make it turn out the videos were for Taker all along which is what happened. |
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Post by ICBM on Sept 30, 2013 14:29:45 GMT -5
I personally want to see it. I understand why some wouldn't, but I have wanted that match for so long, it has become a white buffalo. That isn't the best logic, but it is what it is. It would have been better ten yrs ago, but I'd still watch today. I honestly believe old fans who do not watch anymore, would tune in if Sting went to WWE. It would not be Flair/Sting from 2011 quality. I'm sure it would be better than that but it certainly would not be as good as when they were at peak
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Post by ICBM on Sept 30, 2013 14:32:01 GMT -5
As to the "they owe it to us" crowd, I say bunk. No. Neither Sting nor Undertaker owe us a thing. They entertained me enough for a lifetime. So it is not an entitlement thing. It would just be cool.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Sept 30, 2013 17:47:34 GMT -5
I don't get it since usually dream matches tend to be "mirror matches", of similar styles or builds or characters. Sting and Undertaker have virtually nothing in common, and even at their peaks, would probably not have the most chemistry. This is why I want to see Sting-Undertaker happen at WrestleMania. Don't have Sting appear at all on TV (except in the form of hype videos) at WrestleMania The Undertaker is already in the ring after an entrance that has all of the druids/fire/liscensed song followed by regular theme trimmings that we're used to. Lights go out and the music/poem that played at the last Clash of The Champions when Sting interrupted the nWo's celebration plays over the p.a. system of whatever stadium hosts WrestleMania: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4amXpppTmCE Lighta go up and after a beat, this plays over the p.a. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbdqkMePHnY And out comes sting with bleach blond hair, Sgt. Pepper jacket, dayglo face paint and bright colored tights! |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 1, 2013 6:47:41 GMT -5
I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone who likes Sting would want his first and likely final match in the WWE to be with a guy he has no history with, who's ravaged by injury who'll end up going over him because of the all important 'streak'.
Most of the people Sting could have a meaningful match with are retired now, or a shell of their former selves like Mick Foley, the only match that would mean anything now is Sting v Cena, and even that would have meant more 7 or 8 years ago when he was very much like the second coming of Sting.
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