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Post by wakko on Oct 4, 2013 13:34:29 GMT -5
And that's without mentioning Tyler Breeze (Zoolander the wrestler) or Aiden English (Broadway singer) yet. What?! I must see this. I hope they are on next weeks show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 13:37:17 GMT -5
I'm in a weird place when it comes to NXT in general. With a lot of these guys, I kinda feel what Lance Storm talked about on that free Observer show this week. I'm beyond happy someone verbalized a nagging feeling I've had about a lot of them. For those who didn't listen, he had an interesting point on how for a lot of these people on NXT (and for some on the main roster) their gimmicks are dead weight when it comes to serious feuds. Like, for instance, Emma's dancing. Granted, she's a diva and there's only so much they're going to do with her in the first place but he wondered what's going to happen the moment they put her in a serious feud. Her music isn't anything you'd want to hear for a run-in and the best way people are going to take her seriously is if she stops doing the one thing that's gotten her over: her dancing. He said about the same thing when it came to Aiden English and his singing. It's good for a pop and a chant, but how is it going to work when they have to be taken seriously? I know what you mean, but I think a lot of wrestlers start out that way and transition out of the gimmickier aspects of their characters. I mean, white rapper? Zombie mortician? The list goes on. Heck, just think about HBK's music and how that completely RIDICULOUS f***ing song has become the song of a legend. Actually, oddly enough, Emma got a great reaction doing a run-in on the previous week's NXT. Her music worked suprisingly well when she came after Summer Rae and Sasha Banks. I can see Storm's concerns, but they're only predicated on the idea the charater will never evolve beyond the gimmick. If they never do, then yeah - they're dead in the water for anything above midcard. But most people who transition from mid-to-upper card shed thier gimmick.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 4, 2013 14:15:58 GMT -5
I'm in a weird place when it comes to NXT in general. With a lot of these guys, I kinda feel what Lance Storm talked about on that free Observer show this week. I'm beyond happy someone verbalized a nagging feeling I've had about a lot of them. For those who didn't listen, he had an interesting point on how for a lot of these people on NXT (and for some on the main roster) their gimmicks are dead weight when it comes to serious feuds. Like, for instance, Emma's dancing. Granted, she's a diva and there's only so much they're going to do with her in the first place but he wondered what's going to happen the moment they put her in a serious feud. Her music isn't anything you'd want to hear for a run-in and the best way people are going to take her seriously is if she stops doing the one thing that's gotten her over: her dancing. He said about the same thing when it came to Aiden English and his singing. It's good for a pop and a chant, but how is it going to work when they have to be taken seriously? I know what you mean, but I think a lot of wrestlers start out that way and transition out of the gimmickier aspects of their characters. I mean, white rapper? Zombie mortician? The list goes on. Heck, just think about HBK's music and how that completely RIDICULOUS f***ing song has become the song of a legend. Actually, oddly enough, Emma got a great reaction doing a run-in on the previous week's NXT. Her music worked suprisingly well when she came after Summer Rae and Sasha Banks. I can see Storm's concerns, but they're only predicated on the idea the charater will never evolve beyond the gimmick. If they never do, then yeah - they're dead in the water for anything above midcard. But most people who transition from mid-to-upper card shed thier gimmick. Totally agree. There's also the issue of getting to that mid-to-upper card stages in the first place as most don't make it, people complained about the OVW clone factory or the endless succession of generic divas so I think having a gimmick helps them get over (unless they already have the size/look/in-ring ability but then those with a good chance of making it to the top like Zayn, Paige and Big E don't have outlandish gimmicks anyway). Even if they don't make it some mid-card gimmicks can last longer than more serious acts, not everybody can be a main-eventer. Although saying that I'm of the opinion that there's no reason a comedy wrestler can't have serious feuds, if anything it means more when they do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 14:34:45 GMT -5
I know what you mean, but I think a lot of wrestlers start out that way and transition out of the gimmickier aspects of their characters. I mean, white rapper? Zombie mortician? The list goes on. Heck, just think about HBK's music and how that completely RIDICULOUS f***ing song has become the song of a legend. Actually, oddly enough, Emma got a great reaction doing a run-in on the previous week's NXT. Her music worked suprisingly well when she came after Summer Rae and Sasha Banks. I can see Storm's concerns, but they're only predicated on the idea the charater will never evolve beyond the gimmick. If they never do, then yeah - they're dead in the water for anything above midcard. But most people who transition from mid-to-upper card shed thier gimmick. Totally agree. There's also the issue of getting to that mid-to-upper card stages in the first place as most don't make it, people complained about the OVW clone factory or the endless succession of generic divas so I think having a gimmick helps them get over (unless they already have the size/look/in-ring ability). Even if they don't make it some mid-card gimmicks can last longer than more serious acts, not everybody can be a main-eventer. Although saying that I'm of the opinion that there's no reason a comedy wrestler can't have serious feuds, if anything it means more when they do. If you're talking about creating new stars, there's a very fine line you have to go with when it comes to chants and the like. Lance was wondering about the disconnect between a chant or a dance getting over as opposed to the wrestler themselves. Especially when it comes to heels like Aiden English or Tyler Breeze. 'Cause remember, Emma was supposed to be a heel, wasn't she? Though the WWE wisely turned her face, I guess. He also worried about Daniel Bryan being overshadowed by "Yes!" chants. Granted, Daniel Bryan is the best guy they have in the ring by far, but I'd have to agree with Lance. When DBD cut that promo before Hunner stripped him of the title, I was looking forward to what he actually had to say and did not want that shit to turn into another bout of chanting. I just wonder about the WWE getting a little too eager with chasing pops and chants. It has its place and it certainly helps, it's just I kinda worry about how guys like Enzo Amore and Big Cass are going to be once they get called up.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Oct 4, 2013 15:14:01 GMT -5
The Emma/Santino stuff is some of the funniest work I've seen in forever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 16:13:14 GMT -5
Totally agree. There's also the issue of getting to that mid-to-upper card stages in the first place as most don't make it, people complained about the OVW clone factory or the endless succession of generic divas so I think having a gimmick helps them get over (unless they already have the size/look/in-ring ability). Even if they don't make it some mid-card gimmicks can last longer than more serious acts, not everybody can be a main-eventer. Although saying that I'm of the opinion that there's no reason a comedy wrestler can't have serious feuds, if anything it means more when they do. If you're talking about creating new stars, there's a very fine line you have to go with when it comes to chants and the like. Lance was wondering about the disconnect between a chant or a dance getting over as opposed to the wrestler themselves. Especially when it comes to heels like Aiden English or Tyler Breeze. 'Cause remember, Emma was supposed to be a heel, wasn't she? Though the WWE wisely turned her face, I guess. He also worried about Daniel Bryan being overshadowed by "Yes!" chants. Granted, Daniel Bryan is the best guy they have in the ring by far, but I'd have to agree with Lance. When DBD cut that promo before Hunner stripped him of the title, I was looking forward to what he actually had to say and did not want that shit to turn into another bout of chanting. I just wonder about the WWE getting a little too eager with chasing pops and chants. It has its place and it certainly helps, it's just I kinda worry about how guys like Enzo Amore and Big Cass are going to be once they get called up. I can see that. But it is also a very different landscape than it was 7-10 years ago. Social media, youtube, etc - all that really plays a part in how they create/develop new talent. The DBD thing...yeah, I think the "YES" chants are like the "WHAT" chants in that they give fans an easy way to show support for a guy they like. Bryan was getting over before the YES really took off like it has. When other wrestlers/authority figures try to use it to, the audience doesn't bite so that's a good sign. The "WHAT" chants did become its own beast though that now has little to do with Austin, so....there is that potential problem. I think what WWE has to do is leverage the popularity of chants getting over and make sure they flesh out the characters BEHIND the chants. Fandango is an interesting example of shit really taking off for him. Johnny Curtis works wonders with that gimmick and is a great wrestler, but the crowd for a while there was clearly more in love with the chant then they were with Fandango. I worry more about the VERY hot crowds they get at Full Sail. Because the show is so intimate and small they really either fall in love or hate certain wrestlers. Those wrestlers play to the crowd (as they should) and build up this entire character based around that. Then when they go to RAW and have to start fresh it's rough.
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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 4, 2013 16:23:51 GMT -5
That's why some of them do the house show loops, so that they also work in front of WWE crowds and get used to working them before they go up to TV.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 4, 2013 17:22:49 GMT -5
I will say this for NXT.........entertaining the crowd in matches seem to the bigger priority than telling a story, which I do kind of like.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Oct 4, 2013 18:27:10 GMT -5
Finally! Had time to watch NXT. Mixed gender tag team match = match of the year. That was the first time since years i enjoy something involving Santino. Actually, that was the most i enjoyed Santino ever. The tag titles went from bad (see:Corey Graves) to worse (see:Ascension). At least Neville gets to do his thing solo now Enzo and Big Cass, 'nuff said. "This Guy" should be a gimmick. And it should be given to... Well that guy. Sami Zayn wearing a luchador mask i have never seen Sami wearing such a thing! /MichaelCole Great episode.
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 4, 2013 22:30:29 GMT -5
I like Rick Victor. I don't know why, but I do.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 4, 2013 22:39:29 GMT -5
I watched the past two weeks shows, and plan on continuing.
One question that I haven't seen covered here, the fans really didn't seem to like that hippy guy who reluctantly teamed with the selfy guy last week. I didn't really get to see enough to make my own opinion, so what's the deal?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 4, 2013 22:45:26 GMT -5
I watched the past two weeks shows, and plan on continuing. One question that I haven't seen covered here, the fans really didn't seem to like that hippy guy who reluctantly teamed with the selfy guy last week. I didn't really get to see enough to make my own opinion, so what's the deal? They just REALLY like the selfie guy (Tyler Breeze). Hippy guy (CJ Parker) isn't really doing anything wrong, just normal babyfacing mixed with the kooky hippy stuff, but as has been evidenced by Bo Dallas, Full Sail have their ways.
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Post by Essential1 on Oct 4, 2013 22:57:44 GMT -5
If Test and Edge had a baby it would be Big Cass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 22:58:18 GMT -5
Yeah it's weird how this works. I actually don't like CJ Parker at all either. In fact, I dislike him more than Bo Dallas at this point.
Damn that Bo Dallas is winning me over a little...
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 4, 2013 23:15:34 GMT -5
If Test and Edge had a baby it would be Big Cass. I don't necessarily see Edge but he looks exactly like Test before Test got huge
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Oct 5, 2013 6:06:28 GMT -5
The UK version is trimmed down (can't complain, we get it on TV in HD), so any idea what was missed out? I read about a promo for a new guy, that was definitely not on our show. Anyone have a link to that?
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Post by Idiot on Oct 5, 2013 7:44:43 GMT -5
Yeah, Colin Cassady is a good mic worker. There was a video on one of Matt Martlaro's old accounts where he demonstrates that ably. He can talk, he can tawk like Pizahn, he can sing, he can rap. While I don't think he and Enzo should be separated any time soon (or ever, perhaps) he's the one that'll be the Michaels once he's done playing the straight guy in their double act. That promo is what initially soured me on Cassady a few years ago. He listed ways he could talk rather than putting those things to use and make me want to see him wrestle. Well it was a promo skills lesson, and I think he was fairly new at the time so demonstrating that he can do that stuff was the more important thing. He could (and has now) shown that he can apply it meaningfully, but he wouldn't get the chance if they don't know what he's capable of.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Oct 5, 2013 8:45:39 GMT -5
I'm in a weird place when it comes to NXT in general. With a lot of these guys, I kinda feel what Lance Storm talked about on that free Observer show this week. I'm beyond happy someone verbalized a nagging feeling I've had about a lot of them. For those who didn't listen, he had an interesting point on how for a lot of these people on NXT (and for some on the main roster) their gimmicks are dead weight when it comes to serious feuds. Like, for instance, Emma's dancing. Granted, she's a diva and there's only so much they're going to do with her in the first place but he wondered what's going to happen the moment they put her in a serious feud. Her music isn't anything you'd want to hear for a run-in and the best way people are going to take her seriously is if she stops doing the one thing that's gotten her over: her dancing. He said about the same thing when it came to Aiden English and his singing. It's good for a pop and a chant, but how is it going to work when they have to be taken seriously? Did no one ever tell Lance about a character called Mankind?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 23:31:18 GMT -5
The opening match was fantastic comedy. Santino is so much better when he's got a lot of time to work, instead of having a few minutes to build to one comedy spot and make the other guy look terrible by pinning him out of nowhere. Fandango vs. Santino needs to be a thing. Emma and Santino were perfect together. Everything in the match was spot on! I was pretty disappointed at how quickly Ohno lost to Harper. However, in that short time, I saw a feud that needs to happen. They worked awesome together. Both guys should be a big part of things down the road. I didn't notice a big difference in Ohno's look, but to me the whole "needs to hit the gym" thing is bs, when it's easy to see how athletic and fluid he is in the ring. The tag title match was better than I expected, I was ready to hate on it becuase I don't really like either team. Outside of the usual boring "get heat on Graves" portion of the match, it was very good. This was the first time I really saw it with Neville, I knew how incredibly athletic he was but tonight was the first time I really saw how electrifying he can be. The Ascension winning the belts...yawn. But they will amlmost certainly drop them to Enzo and Big Cass, so it's all good. Bo's 96 Chris Jericho style babyface thing is hilarious. The whole main event angle was well done, no one looked bad. I feared we'd have Bo running through Leo Kruger and getting finished off by the obvious Sami Zayn under a mask situation, but including Cesaro and having he and Kruger brawl out of the ring and opening the door for Zayn was good. Seemed like a little bit more of a babyface seed planting for Cesaro too. Overall, awesome, awesome show. NXT can do no wrong. I watched the past two weeks shows, and plan on continuing. One question that I haven't seen covered here, the fans really didn't seem to like that hippy guy who reluctantly teamed with the selfy guy last week. I didn't really get to see enough to make my own opinion, so what's the deal? Personally, I find that dance he does infuriating, and there's nothing he does to make up for it in my eyes. Tyler Breeze hasn't really caught on with me yet either, so it's not just Breeze overshadowing him for me. That said, I'd take Breeze over CJ any day.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 6, 2013 5:35:07 GMT -5
I get the Ascension hate but it makes me sad because I actually really like Conor O'Brian. I'd honestly call him one of my favorites on NXT, which is saying a lot because this roster is deep. I just really like him. I like his presence, I like the impact of his offense, I think he makes the most of his gimmick. I want good things for him.
Mojo Rawley's vignette made me excited for him. I like his promo style and he seems to have energy.
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