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Post by hossfan on Oct 5, 2013 6:16:06 GMT -5
The change in tone towards Benoit as Raw went one was very noticeable. Such a surreal thing to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 7:38:09 GMT -5
Considering that the E requested the police to do a welfare check and the police told them that it was a major crime scene they had to assume that Benoit might have been responsible.
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Post by stealthamo on Oct 5, 2013 8:58:36 GMT -5
.....I mean, what if the crowd had been there when news started to break that BENOIT was the one who killed them? Forget the article about awkward celebrity appearances, THIS would've been beyond awkward. And I'll wager that the WWE just figured sending the crowd home was for the best. Also, rather sure Regal's comments that night came after people backstage were finding out the truth. His comments were impersonal and cold compared to those who preceded him; HHH spoke after him and he was even more frigid. I'm pretty sure that the news broke before the end of Raw that it was being investigated as a double-murder suicide with Chris being the killer, so that was probably for the best that they sent everyone home (like you said, they probably knew something was up). Also, on top of Regal, in one of their shoots, London and Kendrick said that as soon as they heard the news, they thought that Benoit killed them. So I'd have to think at least a portion of the locker room knew something was up even before the double-murder suicide reports were coming out.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 5, 2013 9:12:11 GMT -5
The show as a hole seems to be reflective of what they knew for sure at the time about the situation, at least at around 7:30 ET. They knew the Benoits were dead, but they could only have an educated guess as to what happened.
Sending the fans home was definitely a wise move no matter what, because it would have been incredibly awkward for the fans in attendance to cheer Chris and then find out they had been loudly celebrating a murderer for over three hours. However, not running a tribute show could have been extremely awkward if turned out Benoit was not responsible. You would have people criticizing WWE for not giving a fallen hero the benefit of the doubt after all his years in the business if it came out that they suspected him of murder and it turns out that was not the case.
Now, here's a really scary thought. What if the welfare check takes place a couple hours later and news breaks of the Benoit incident DURING Raw? That would have been a horrendous trainwreck, especially if it comes out during Vince's fake funeral.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 5, 2013 10:25:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the news broke before the end of Raw that it was being investigated as a double-murder suicide with Chris being the killer, so that was probably for the best that they sent everyone home (like you said, they probably knew something was up). Also, on top of Regal, in one of their shoots, London and Kendrick said that as soon as they heard the news, they thought that Benoit killed them. So I'd have to think at least a portion of the locker room knew something was up even before the double-murder suicide reports were coming out. Chris Jericho said that, too. but he was on one of his sabbaticals at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 10:52:18 GMT -5
They already had a memorial show written, seemed like a waste really to change it. And then halfway through the silly fake memorial, where at some point Hornswoggle and Mae Young make out backstage probably, they find out the fake dead guy really actually murdered his wife and child. .........yeah, that'd have gone over real swell.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 5, 2013 10:59:43 GMT -5
Chris Jericho said that, too. but he was on one of his sabbaticals at the time. See, that's the thing. Jericho knew Benoit better than just about anyone in the industry, so if that was his gut reaction, then you know Benoit had been giving off psycho vibes for a long, long time.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 5, 2013 11:02:15 GMT -5
See, that's the thing. Jericho knew Benoit better than just about anyone in the industry, so if that was his gut reaction, then you know Benoit had been giving off psycho vibes for a long, long time. you watch that shoot interview with London and Kendrick and you really start to wonder why absolutely nobody in the industry thought to themselves that something was very wrong with Chris.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Oct 5, 2013 16:40:22 GMT -5
Something interesting that I noticed a few years back when rewatchin the Eddie tribute episode. During Benoit's segment, he says something along the lines of "when I would be going through problems I would call Eddie and he would talk me out of it." and then totally broke down. I'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty damn chilling. I've always wondered if he was just referring to suicide or if he had told Eddie that he wanted to kill his wife before. It also makes me wonder what exactly was so wrong in his life nand how long it was going on. Like, not to speak ill of the dead, but maybe Nancy had an affair or something.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 5, 2013 17:45:35 GMT -5
Something interesting that I noticed a few years back when rewatchin the Eddie tribute episode. During Benoit's segment, he says something along the lines of "when I would be going through problems I would call Eddie and he would talk me out of it." and then totally broke down. I'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty damn chilling. I've always wondered if he was just referring to suicide or if he had told Eddie that he wanted to kill his wife before. It also makes me wonder what exactly was so wrong in his life nand how long it was going on. Like, not to speak ill of the dead, but maybe Nancy had an affair or something. If he had brain damage, nothing may have been wrong with his life, but he might have just thought it was anyway. Also, maybe the stress of seeing so many of his closer friends die contributed to his already decling mental health.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 5, 2013 18:49:50 GMT -5
Something interesting that I noticed a few years back when rewatchin the Eddie tribute episode. During Benoit's segment, he says something along the lines of "when I would be going through problems I would call Eddie and he would talk me out of it." and then totally broke down. I'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty damn chilling. I've always wondered if he was just referring to suicide or if he had told Eddie that he wanted to kill his wife before. It also makes me wonder what exactly was so wrong in his life nand how long it was going on. Like, not to speak ill of the dead, but maybe Nancy had an affair or something.That's kind of a jump. I mean, I don't mean this as a shot at or judgment of you or anyone who does this and I mean this as respectfully to everyone and their opinions as possible, but I've always found it kind of troubling to see moments of memorial segments like this or, most famously, Regal's analyzed in such a way. I mean, everybody grieves differently to the point where processing grief is the absolute most uniquely personal thing each person does. Trying to draw meaning from watching others do it, even subconsciously because even the most empathetic of us just have that in our nature, is the type of thing that violates said privacy and is going to come up short no matter what. There's no one way to grieve. Some of us crack a smile at funerals when we recall a fun memory with the deceased. Some of us absolutely lose it and uncontrollably weep. Some of us just compartmentalize our feelings, inadvertently giving the impression that we're devoid of them. Certainly it can be eerie seeing different footage, especially in the case of the Benoit tribute when it was not only rushed but surrounded by the most horrifying of controversies, but given how strictly the WWE machine is run and reading about how other tribute shows have gone, part of me thinks there's a good chance those were all filmed before the show even began airing. Trying to measure the tributes like that, especially on a bizarre timetable like the one set up in Ring of Hell that attempts to progressively read more into each tribute as the mood supposedly slowly changes, doesn't strike me as a fruitful endeavor.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Oct 5, 2013 19:48:15 GMT -5
That's kind of a jump. I mean, I don't mean this as a shot at or judgment of you or anyone who does this and I mean this as respectfully to everyone and their opinions as possible, but I've always found it kind of troubling to see moments of memorial segments like this or, most famously, Regal's analyzed in such a way. I mean, everybody grieves differently to the point where processing grief is the absolute most uniquely personal thing each person does. Trying to draw meaning from watching others do it, even subconsciously becauseven the most empathetic of us just have that in our nature, is the type of thing that violates said privacy and is going to come up short no matter what. There's no one way to grieve. Some of us crack a smile at funerals when we recall a fun memory with the deceased. Some of us absolutely lose it and uncontrollably weep. Some of us just compartmentalize our feelings, inadvertently giving the impression that we're devoid of them. Certainly it can be eerie seeing different footage, especially in the case of the Benoit tribute when it was not only rushed but surrounded by the most horrifying of controversies, but given how strictly the WWE machine is run and reading about how other tribute shows have gone, part of me thinks there's a good chance those were all filmed before the show even began airing. Trying to measure the tributes like that, especially on a bizarre timetable like the one set up in Ring of Hell that attempts to progressively read more into each tribute as the mood supposedly slowly changes, doesn't strike me as a fruitful endeavor. I get what you're saying, but I distinctly remember him saying "he would talk me out of it". That really can't mean that many different things, especially considering how broken up that sentence seemed to make him. As far as the Nancy having an affair thing, I just used that as a theory because it's the sort of thing that can push someone over the edge if they're already unstable. It IS a bit of a jump to assume that I know anything about what really happened, I was just stating that I'm very curious about the true circumstances. The stuff we'll never truly know. If drug use and/or concussions altered his brain chemistry it doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't have a reason, however twisted and wrong that reason was. Something had to have sparked those actions. I just don't think he did it mindlessly or blindly considering his other actions that weekend.
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