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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 12, 2013 14:34:32 GMT -5
Zack Ryder. The guy's gimmick is so outdated at this point. What gimmick? He's been just a smiley generic babyface ever since he ended his webshow. And he just generics himself up further and further trying to reinvent himself only to be continuously ignored and jobbed out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 14:38:21 GMT -5
Ziggler is an example of someone whose praise I do not get. I find nothing remarkable about his wrestling. Ziggler's main appeal is his bumping and selling. Ziggler is the only guy I can think of who moved up the ranks by jobbing. WWE loved his ability to make everyone look good so much, that they move him up the ladder and put him against higher profile opponents. That's pretty much why he's a "main eventer" now. I don't get the DZ-lovefest either, but even I'll admit you could put him in the ring with a clod whom has no business in that ring and Dolph will make him look like a killer.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 12, 2013 14:42:32 GMT -5
Randy Orton. Solid hand in the ring, sure, but I just don't get how he reached the level of Cena and Punk despite not having a quarter of their charisma. His current heel role of playing a forced, corporate champion is perfect for him, because that's always how I've viewed him. I know he's over as well, I just don't get HOW. I think a lot of it honestly has to do with his admittedly cool finisher. Randy Orton. I will never understand why, out of all the talent they had at the time of his debut, he was the one they chose to strap a rocket to. There is absolutely nothing that stands out about him as a performer, nothing, other than the he was young when his push began, third generation and the fact he has been pushed for so long a large part of the audience has either given up or pops for him because he's been a main eventer longer than most of them have been watching. He's a star because the WWE say he is, not because the audience formed any sort of connection with him. I am currently writing very angry private messages. Expect plenty of capitalized words and bold print. I'm kinda disappointed I didn't get one.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 12, 2013 14:43:51 GMT -5
Randy Orton deserves his position. dude braved ludicrously forced pushes for years until he finally found something that made the audience click with him. sometimes being pushed like crazy is just as bad as not being pushed at all (e.g. Alberto Del Rio). I'm sorry, I just can't see being pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed until the audience gives up and accepts him as being some great hurdle he's had to overcome. Hundreds of guys every bit as competent as Orton have passed through the WWE in the time he's been pushed, a lot of whom never got anything more than a halfhearted initial push, if they made it out of developmental at all, I'm sure they'd argue that getting no push, or being actively sabotaged by management is far worse than the star treatment Randy Orton endured.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Oct 12, 2013 15:56:40 GMT -5
Randy Orton. Solid hand in the ring, sure, but I just don't get how he reached the level of Cena and Punk despite not having a quarter of their charisma. His current heel role of playing a forced, corporate champion is perfect for him, because that's always how I've viewed him. I know he's over as well, I just don't get HOW. I think a lot of it honestly has to do with his admittedly cool finisher. because some people find him attractive I don't know why, and his utter refusal togrow his hair back annoys me.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 12, 2013 17:16:12 GMT -5
If this thread had been created about 5 years ago then I would be aboard the Orton hate wagon. Thing is, somewhere along the line in 2011 he started having terrific matches with Christian and put Mark Henry over something fierce. Then I more or less stopped hating on the guy. It took him forever but he finally became what WWE saw in him years ago.
This is a side topic perhaps, but when it comes to a guy whose success has surprised me, I nominate Kane. Let's face it, when he debuted is there a soul alive that thought this guy would be around 16 years later? I figured he would come in and feud with Taker, job out in the end, and then quickly be released or repackaged. Yet something happened on the way to the wrestler scrap heap. The dude stayed over and became a perennial.
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Post by Chip on Oct 12, 2013 17:27:08 GMT -5
I figured he would come in and feud with Taker, job out in the end, and then quickly be released or repackaged. That was the WWE's plan for him initially, the whole Kane deal was meant to be temporary, I guess it just got that over that they had to keep it.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 12, 2013 17:31:31 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan Chris Benoit John Cena
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Post by Arrow on Oct 12, 2013 19:28:32 GMT -5
I have to say that it seems like the majority of the wrestlers being mentioned in here haven't been successes by any stretch. I mean, Alex Riley? Zack Ryder? Lance Storm?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 19:42:33 GMT -5
I have to say that it seems like the majority of the wrestlers being mentioned in here haven't been successes by any stretch. I mean, Alex Riley? Zack Ryder? Lance Storm? I can understand you mentioning Alex Riley as, well, he's not done much, but Ryder is a success as he sells things pretty well & has a legion of fans who do listen to him, and he's living his dream. He's a loser, but, this is wrestling, how many wrestling fans feel like losers? It's relateable, I dislike the guy tremendously as a wrestler & as a promo guy but that's clear as day. Lance Storm though, the guy's wrestled in EVERY reputable major company in NA (not all territories, I know), is held in high regard by damn near everybody as a wrestler & a trainer, and has had countless great matches. His final run in WCW before it died was absolutely wonderful too. He's a success because, unlike Alex Riley or Ryder, he worked for years, has never had to rely on anything but his in ring ability & selfless attitude to get over & get recognised. I mean if people only saw him in WWF/E in the early 2000s I understand but he's got so much more in regards to in-ring career stuff & his training/attitude to life in the business & out.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 12, 2013 19:46:48 GMT -5
I have to say that it seems like the majority of the wrestlers being mentioned in here haven't been successes by any stretch. I mean, Alex Riley? Zack Ryder? Lance Storm? I actually saw Cameron mentioned earlier. Seriously. At some point in this thread, "success" started to mean "wrestler I don't like getting a paycheck".
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 12, 2013 19:53:36 GMT -5
Kennedy
Never understood why anyone liked him. All he did was shout his name loud.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 12, 2013 20:00:16 GMT -5
Kennedy Never understood why anyone liked him. All he did was shout his name loud. The spectacle of his entrance was pretty awesome.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 12, 2013 20:00:45 GMT -5
Undertaker pre-2002. I could never figure out why people loved the silly Deadman gimmick and a guy who while good, wasn't all that special in the ring. Once he went heel in 2002 he turned his game up so high that I finally "got" it.
One that I just flat don't understand is Miz. Why they ever thought pushing him as WWE Champion and letting him main-event WrestleMania was a good idea I'll never know. He's got to be one of the best brown-nosers of all time. Nothing else explains it.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 12, 2013 20:07:34 GMT -5
I legitimately enjoyed Miz around 2010-2011 when he had a fire under his ass and was doing his best week in and week out because he had something to prove. Now he has gotten so bad that he has a "so bad, it's good" appeal to me with his sloppy promos and hilariously bad matches and offense.
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