wildojinx
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 13, 2013 13:19:45 GMT -5
I decided to watch Impact and Smackdown last week and skip over all non wrestling content (interviews, backstage vignettes) therefore watching the matches "out of context" and the shows were just as entertaining (even moreso) as ever even with no storyline driving them. Do you think that a match needs a reason to happen, or if two guys just want to have a good match and tell the story in the ring can that work just as well? Of course, i also grew up on "dartboard" main events on the syndie shows (like razor ramon vs adam bomb or money inc vs high energy) so its not like its a foreign concept to me.
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Post by britishbulldog on Oct 13, 2013 13:32:54 GMT -5
I think it depends. In the past I don't think it was as necessary because the wrestlers seemed to be better at telling a story in the ring. Finishes were not always so set up. I think there are still some amazing performers that can do it, but not as much as the past. I think a good storyline only works when the performers can then translate it in the ring. If that makes sense.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 13, 2013 13:40:34 GMT -5
no, they don't.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 13, 2013 13:46:11 GMT -5
They don't need them to be great but they certainly help.
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Post by thirteen3 on Oct 13, 2013 13:49:39 GMT -5
Context does help a match.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 13, 2013 14:07:19 GMT -5
It's not necessary, but it definitely helps.
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 13, 2013 15:17:46 GMT -5
Absolutely.
A bad storyline can make a good match seem more like a joke, but a good storyline can turn a good match into a legendary match. This is countered by- a bad match with a bad storyline can be laughable Wrestlecrap...but a bad storyline that leads to a good match will at least be watchable.
A good storyline can save a bad match, and turn what'd be a good match if it was thrown together randomly into an amazing match.
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Post by Loser on Oct 13, 2013 15:20:12 GMT -5
If the wrestlers are good enough, a no-angle match will have meaning by the end. Look at PWG; a majority of their matches aren't storyline-based, however the wrestlers paired up always do something that's a must-see.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 13, 2013 15:36:23 GMT -5
A great storyline can make a match extremely memorable in a good way even if the match itself isn't great.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 13, 2013 20:48:23 GMT -5
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
On the minus side, Big promotions like WWE, WCW used to package hype, every match and angle and never gave up no matter how indifferent we were to the booked match. If the match was set to stink, it usually did and then all the packaging made it worse BC we felt like a bunch of time got wasted.
On the plus side, a match like Warrior vs Hogan at WMVI, had every bit of promotion and hype possible. The match itself was far from a catch as catch can, technical bute. But, I consider it in the top ten matches I ever saw, BC the angle sold the match instead of the match selling the angle. From start to finish, it was masterfully booked. The final brush strokes of Hogan handing the belt off and hugging Warrior was the cumlination of a yrs work, really a few yrs work as far as positioning Warrior. Hogan v Andre was the same way, but we all opine that savage v steamboat was the match of the card for in ring work rate, yet I cannot now, recall the back story
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 13, 2013 20:52:53 GMT -5
I think having a specific angle is less important than having distinct, memorable, unique characters. Between two storyless matches, I'd be much more interested in watching Fandango vs. Santino Marella than CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Oct 13, 2013 21:40:16 GMT -5
No, tons of great matches had no storyline or build. 123 Kid vs Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels vs Shelton Benjamin are two examples off the top of my head. Storylines should be used more sparingly IMO. Not every wrestler needs a reason to fight each other, that's their job. Storylines should only be introduced when they can earn money. The other guys get over by wrestling each other in exhibitions and one day get their own storylines and chance to earn money.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Oct 13, 2013 21:56:36 GMT -5
It's not necessary, but it definitely helps. I would alter that statement to read that good matches do not necessarily need storylines/angles behind them, but when done right, those things really help make a great match better. When done poorly, storylines/angles barely do anything for a great match and may even detract from it.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 13, 2013 21:57:29 GMT -5
It never hurts. You can have a great exhibition without a storyline behind it, but angles are 75% of wrestling's lifeblood, so I'd say a match needs a storyline to go from good/great to great/classic.
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Post by froggyfrog on Oct 13, 2013 21:59:16 GMT -5
Not always but it definitely helps
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Post by fw91 on Oct 13, 2013 22:03:09 GMT -5
It's not necessary, but it definitely helps. yeah, if theres a story it helps build invested interest.
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Post by SOR on Oct 14, 2013 4:38:15 GMT -5
I see it like this.
Lets say you tune into an action movie. For example lets say you're watching Die Hard. You cut to the very end of Die Hard and simply watch the big end sequence where everyone dies and one man is left remaining. Is it entertaining? Possibly. Is it getting an emotional reaction out of you or does it have you gunning for the character? No.
Matches need story lines. For a smart mark that actually enjoys the matches maybe cutting the angles out is fine but most wrestling fans (Including myself) don't really care about the meat of a match and just want to watch an entertaining story unfold which ends with the bad guy getting beat or overcoming the good guy.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Oct 14, 2013 5:26:20 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 14, 2013 8:48:10 GMT -5
Yes. A match can have a self-contained story as well as being part of a larger angle. Every wrestler should be tring to steal the show whenever they're out there.
A storyline can elevate a terrible match (it's actually a really good match, but Cena/Punk is partly great because of its backstory), and a great match can elevate a terrible storyline (Austin/Angle in 2001).
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Oct 14, 2013 9:04:02 GMT -5
I see it like this. Lets say you tune into an action movie. For example lets say you're watching Die Hard. You cut to the very end of Die Hard and simply watch the big end sequence where everyone dies and one man is left remaining. Is it entertaining? Possibly. Is it getting an emotional reaction out of you or does it have you gunning for the character? No. Matches need story lines. For a smart mark that actually enjoys the matches maybe cutting the angles out is fine but most wrestling fans (Including myself) don't really care about the meat of a match and just want to watch an entertaining story unfold which ends with the bad guy getting beat or overcoming the good guy. This. You don't have to build for weeks. Sometimes a story can spawn out of somebodies entrance or prior the bell. I sometimes can enjoy two guys just wrestling, but for the most part even straight wrestling matches have some sort of "story" being told. They don't need a story to be good, but they need a story to be great.
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