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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 16, 2013 21:23:18 GMT -5
Everything but the bold part is correct. I love Cena myself, but yeah there's no shortage of defense on his behalf. Not on this wrestling board at least. In this case, the perception on the board seems to be that CM Punk is this beloved can't be criticized figure, while John Cena is hated and bashed mercilessly. And in reality, Punk gets hated a lot more than Cena around here these days, to the point where it's pretty surprising. One could've easily went with "a babyface is confident in his abilities and stacks the odds against himself to get what he wants? WELL I'LL BE!" or some other sarcastic defense of Punk, but it didn't happen. Or maybe wrestling fans are finally, by and large, coming around to the fact that Cena is and always has been better than Punk?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 21:29:31 GMT -5
In this case, the perception on the board seems to be that CM Punk is this beloved can't be criticized figure, while John Cena is hated and bashed mercilessly. And in reality, Punk gets hated a lot more than Cena around here these days, to the point where it's pretty surprising. One could've easily went with "a babyface is confident in his abilities and stacks the odds against himself to get what he wants? WELL I'LL BE!" or some other sarcastic defense of Punk, but it didn't happen. Or maybe wrestling fans are finally, by and large, coming around to the fact that Cena is and always has been better than Punk? Now that is simply impossible, and I will not consider it! Lex Luger >>>>>>>> John Cena |
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 16, 2013 21:41:22 GMT -5
Everything but the bold part is correct. I love Cena myself, but yeah there's no shortage of defense on his behalf. Not on this wrestling board at least. In this case, the perception on the board seems to be that CM Punk is this beloved can't be criticized figure, while John Cena is hated and bashed mercilessly. And in reality, Punk gets hated a lot more than Cena around here these days. Key words: these days. I remember once upon a time, there was an appreciation thread for almost EVERYTHING Punk ever did. And let's not even get started on that thread where Punk hit that fan... or when Punk yelled at that other fan... And remember that Cena promo appreciation thread where quite a few crapped on it as "pandering"? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 21:53:57 GMT -5
In this case, the perception on the board seems to be that CM Punk is this beloved can't be criticized figure, while John Cena is hated and bashed mercilessly. And in reality, Punk gets hated a lot more than Cena around here these days. Key words: these days. I remember once upon a time, there was an appreciation thread for almost EVERYTHING Punk ever did. And let's not even get started on that thread where Punk hit that fan... or when Punk yelled at that other fan... And remember that Cena promo appreciation thread where quite a few crapped on it as "pandering"? Yes, keywords. That's why I used them. That was my whole point. Once Punk got to the top and had that long WWE title reign, some people turned on him. Just like happened with Cena, on a smaller scale of course, arenas across the land aren't chanting PUNK SUCKS or anything. But Cena's been hated online for so long that it's old hat to hate Cena now, and it's more common anyone who says something negative about him to get raked over the coals for it. I'm merely an observer and a commentor on the phenomenon. I do see how it must have been annoying for Cena fans to have thread after thread of people talking about how much he sucks. But it's not that way anymore, and I wanted to point that out. Maybe it shows that a lot of Punk fans were all about rooting for the guy not getting the push he deserved, and once he got it that urgency thinned out. |
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Post by angryfan on Oct 16, 2013 23:00:21 GMT -5
It's a case of trends evening out. Punk is good, Cena is good. Neither is as good or as bad as the extreme views will state. Hyperbole is an easy tool to use because it saves time in having to explain small details if something is just the worse ever or best ever.
Personally, I like Punk's character, and dislike Cena's character. Having said that, I would have a beer, meal, or conversation with either because they both have a lot of love for what they do, and that shows in the fact that they both work their asses off.
Both men deserve their success because, in spite of what may be better judgement, they will rush back from injuries to get back in because they have what I have always called "the sickness". They are hooked on what they do, and they're by no means the only ones.
Basically, both men will, even if they "hang up their boots" in the next few years, wind up doing a Terry Funk in repeated comebacks when they get that itch because it's part of who they are.
Character-wise, I identify more with Punk because being a smartass and jaded is a rather natural human state. It's in that grey area of "man he's such a dick, I mean I get what he's saying and I like that he's saying it, but get some tact". I've been there, that place where you just have no diplomacy left and you're just like "hell with it, here's how it is and if you don't like it, shove it up your ass".
Cena, while he'll make the "love me or hate me, I don't care, it's not about you, it's about THEM" speeches, I don't see that grey area. When I do, like his response to Rock's "rematch clause" post Mania 29, it rings hollow and seems disingenuous. This has nothing to do with "he should be a heel" it has to do with, "this is the opposite of his character, it's human and I get it and like it, but it doesn't fit, it's a square peg in a round hole".
Personally, I want more people like Punk and Cena (the men, not he characters) on my TV because they get it and love what they do. That means as a paying customer I get guys busting their asses and working hard, not because they have to but because they want to and don't want to do a disservice to their craft by mailing it in. The industry NEEDS people like them, and they exist far more than the casual fan realizes.
Now if they'd freshen up the characters for both men, I'd be happy. Punk can still be a smartass, it just seems natural for him, and Cena can still have that laid back demeanor, as that seems natural for him. However, by no means should either man be pigeon-holed into a corner and stuck in the same character for perpetuity because the "creative team" doesn't know how to develop without wrecking the performer's natural flow.
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