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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 17, 2013 21:05:13 GMT -5
They want more big guys and athletes from other sports with little to no experience, huh. Cause you know over the years that mentality produced such great can't miss prospects like Heidenrich, Kevin Thorne, Eli Cottonwood, Jackson Andrews, Snitsky, Sylvester Terkey, Lashley, Haas and Benjamin, TAC, etc. It's no wonder why their star power has been weak the past decade, more so than any other era in company history. They still won' t learn. Haas and Benjamin were big guys with little to no experience?
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Oct 17, 2013 21:11:04 GMT -5
You know what's a good way to build up the tag teams? A bunch of traditional Survivor Series matches. Just sayin'.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 17, 2013 21:13:09 GMT -5
I don't think Dave is being negative about AJ in this case. He just means that she was injured and couldn't be on last week's Smackdown even though she was advertised to be. While many others advertised were known by WWE to be going on the Abu Dhabi tour far ahead of time. But, I have noticed that Dave seemed to sour on AJ a bit since a fake Twitter account claiming to be her, insulted him several months ago. Before that, he talked about how she was one of the best actors in wrestling and a draw for teens. Now he's all like "she's a belt mark" and "they should make Brie the Divas champion". ![http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g473/MichaelBotts/image_zps69933b36.jpg](http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g473/MichaelBotts/image_zps69933b36.jpg) Even though Dave later issued an apology... ![](http://oi42.tinypic.com/55s2l3.jpg) I got a good laugh out of this. "f*** you, AJ. Oh, that's not you... sorry. But still f*** you." Meltzer has been in this business too long to break kayfabe. He knows that he's the ultimate heel.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 17, 2013 21:13:45 GMT -5
They want more big guys and athletes from other sports with little to no experience, huh. Cause you know over the years that mentality produced such great can't miss prospects like Heidenrich, Kevin Thorne, Eli Cottonwood, Jackson Andrews, Snitsky, Sylvester Terkey, Lashley, Haas and Benjamin, TAC, etc. It's no wonder why their star power has been weak the past decade, more so than any other era in company history. They still won' t learn. Haas and Benjamin were big guys with little to no experience? I was about to say, Hass and Benjamin were the shit. TBF, they are big guys, just not big by WWE standards.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 17, 2013 21:16:56 GMT -5
They want more big guys and athletes from other sports with little to no experience, huh. Cause you know over the years that mentality produced such great can't miss prospects like Heidenrich, Kevin Thorne, Eli Cottonwood, Jackson Andrews, Snitsky, Sylvester Terkey, Lashley, Haas and Benjamin, TAC, etc. It's no wonder why their star power has been weak the past decade, more so than any other era in company history. They still won' t learn. You can't lump all of those guys into one group. Some of them were bad apples; TAC was just a starry eyed mark for himself who had no idea how the business worked. But a lot of these guys were pretty decent. Heidenreich and Snitsky were "so bad it's good" and they really knew how to play a gimmick. Lashley was a damn good worker, and a somewhat decent talker and his only flaw was the actual sound of his voice. Haas and Benjamin were former amateur wrestlers, but learned the ropes and became solid hands.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 17, 2013 21:33:01 GMT -5
I have no problem with the WWE looking to sign more big guys over small guys. My understanding of the developmental system is that there is not an infinite number of spots. So I can get it if they want to start developing some big lugs into wrestlers. I think having big guys like Kane/JBL/Show offer a nice variety in terms of matches that I'll take a slightly less talented big guy over a more talented "small guy"
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Post by mizerable on Oct 17, 2013 22:00:33 GMT -5
That's so goddamn pathetic. Good lord, that makes me not want to go to any events, because I'm not going to risk bothering shelling out cash so that WWE can change it up and not give me my money's worth of entertainment. At least partial refunds should be in order. No wonder the shows keep dropping in attendance. No one cares.
I guess that's why Vince likes to call it "sports entertainment", so that he doesn't have to answer to anyone and can reap as much money without giving any back to the fans.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 17, 2013 22:21:00 GMT -5
That's so goddamn pathetic. Good lord, that makes me not want to go to any events, because I'm not going to risk bothering shelling out cash so that WWE can change it up and not give me my money's worth of entertainment. At least partial refunds should be in order. No wonder the shows keep dropping in attendance. No one cares. I guess that's why Vince likes to call it "sports entertainment", so that he doesn't have to answer to anyone and can reap as much money without giving any back to the fans. As sad a statement as it is, WWE really doesn't hide the fact that not even they care about Smackdown.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 18, 2013 2:40:26 GMT -5
Am I the only one who feels like this report pretty much summed up nothing?
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Oct 18, 2013 2:47:27 GMT -5
I think what bugs me most in all of that stupidity is the idea that they prefer to condition their employees to think that they'll be living in a gutter if they're not working for them. Like, that line of thought's probably a good part of why there are guys like Mysterio and Flair around these days. A lot of companies, employers, management, actually do this. For real. I can't remember how many times I heard "You're lucky to even have a job."
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 18, 2013 7:43:15 GMT -5
The whole story about WWE's mindset when it comes to talent signings is proof that WWE will suck for years to come. They still don't get that the best formula is to sign every type of talent there is rather than go in one direction. They want more big guys and athletes from other sports with little to no experience, huh. Cause you know over the years that mentality produced such great can't miss prospects like Heidenrich, Kevin Thorne, Eli Cottonwood, Jackson Andrews, Snitsky, Sylvester Terkey, Lashley, Haas and Benjamin, TAC, etc. It's no wonder why their star power has been weak the past decade, more so than any other era in company history. They still won' t learn. Yeah, lets not waste time with people how know how to perform various styles and different audiences worldwide no matter how big or small the crowds are cause those are bad habits. Instead, let's get guys who don't know what they are doing have probably never even watched WWE before. They are afraid of these Indy guys being able to get work outside of WWE? I suppose it's better to get some scrubs starting from scratch who will likely bail on the company once they make a name and some money and do something else. Oh, these non-indy world traveling types can find work outside of WWE as well. In wrestling there will still be numerous indies like these PWS types who will come calling, along with overseas tours and conventions and this would all be based on them getting WWE television exposure. Hell, Lashley still gets bookings. WWE talent scouts have their heads up their a$$es and as a fan I say WWE can go F themselves. Eh... I think at the end of the day, it's got less to do with size and more to do with what you bring to the table that is different. Look at most of the guys down in NXT. A lot of guys that are unique in some way shape or form. I do agree though that there really isn't a lot of quality big guys in the indies. I mean a monster on the indies is usually about 6'1, which is Shawn Michaels height. There's always room to get a big guy, but they have to be willing to work hard and a lot of the big guys aren't. Also not shocked that WWE is going away from ROH guys right now. While ROH has improved since Cornette is gone, really the only guy I see the WWE coveting is Adam Cole who just resigned with ROH for a year I believe... scary thing about Cole is that he just turned 24 and is getting better every day.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 18, 2013 9:18:36 GMT -5
Am I the only one who feels like this report pretty much summed up nothing? Worst 'News and Notes' ever. I also don't believe WWE is so against small guys when they've taken a chance on Xavier Woods, Sami Zayn and Callihan. That talking-point keeps popping up and it keeps getting proven wrong.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 18, 2013 9:30:12 GMT -5
Am I the only one who feels like this report pretty much summed up nothing? Worst 'News and Notes' ever. I also don't believe WWE is so against small guys when they've taken a chance on Xavier Woods, Sami Zayn and Callihan. That talking-point keeps popping up and it keeps getting proven wrong. I swear it was only a couple months ago when all the stories were "Triple H wants to sign more guys with vast indy experience because they already know hot to get over". plus considering they just cleaned ROH/CZW out of a bunch of their bigger names over the last couple years, I'm kinda skeptical. if it said "they want to sign more big guys but aren't looking at ROH for that because there are no big guys there" I'd believe it, but it doesn't.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 18, 2013 10:22:31 GMT -5
Worst 'News and Notes' ever. I also don't believe WWE is so against small guys when they've taken a chance on Xavier Woods, Sami Zayn and Callihan. That talking-point keeps popping up and it keeps getting proven wrong. I swear it was only a couple months ago when all the stories were "Triple H wants to sign more guys with vast indy experience because they already know hot to get over". plus considering they just cleaned ROH/CZW out of a bunch of their bigger names over the last couple years, I'm kinda skeptical. if it said "they want to sign more big guys but aren't looking at ROH for that because there are no big guys there" I'd believe it, but it doesn't. The most telling thing to come out of this thread is that the man, who is generally seen as wrestling's best journalist, can't take two seconds to verify a person's real Twitter account before petulantly lashing out. I think it wouldn't be far off to say that he has bad sources and a questionable writing style. He gets it right, but his word shouldn't be taken as gospel.
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Post by lookout on Oct 18, 2013 15:09:09 GMT -5
Between not being able to say blood, or the stupid ref's vision stuff, to wrestlemania being "old", lmao, to simply saying an awesome match was maybe the best of the year..one has to wonder how in the hell did mcmahon and this company ever become so successful. I mean seriously. Would any sane person ever come up with such silly nonsense? And does anyone think it hurts the product at all to say any of it?
Man it's just so maddening reading stuff like this. It's so absurd and so far out there, it's hard to believe it's even true to be honest.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 18, 2013 16:23:20 GMT -5
Another thing:
Has anyone actually seen the memo? Like, is there a link to a copy of it.
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Post by Error on Oct 18, 2013 16:25:41 GMT -5
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 18, 2013 16:27:32 GMT -5
Thanks, I couldn't find it anywhere.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 18, 2013 20:49:52 GMT -5
I got a good laugh out of this. "f*** you, AJ. Oh, that's not you... sorry. But still f*** you." Meltzer has been in this business too long to break kayfabe. He knows that he's the ultimate heel. Also should realize that offical isn't a word.
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Post by Chip on Oct 18, 2013 23:35:48 GMT -5
I don't care if they want to bring in more big guys, that's not necessarily a bad thing, the thing I don't get is specifically looking for inexperienced people. I don't see how you can limit the talent you look at like that, especially when almost every top face of the WWE was experienced in some fashion before they were signed. Hogan, Bret, Shawn, Austin, Cena. Sure you may find the next Rock but history dictates that there's a very low chance of that.
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