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Post by Rican on Oct 20, 2013 21:55:04 GMT -5
First, let me start by saying that I've really enjoyed the Rhodes vs. Shield angle and think Cody has been awesome as a face.
HOWEVER, if the WWE had decided to go in another direction, does anyone else think Cody would have made way more sense in the hand-picked, face of the company role than Orton? Orton's done a good job IMO, but the transition from lone wolf badass to hand-picked corporate stooge was a little jarring. Cody fits the bill of who the WWE would want as a young, good-looking dude with strong family ties to THIS BUSINESS. Also, Triple H's talk of Orton being "finally" ready was stupid when Orton was already a multiple time champion. It would have made more sense for Cody who has been right at the cusp for a long time.
Again, I like both guys in the roles that they ended up, but it was just a thought I had.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 20, 2013 22:01:56 GMT -5
In kayfabe terms, I think it will be odd for Hunter to handpick a man who was losing so much and never a proven main eventer as his guy.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 20, 2013 22:05:49 GMT -5
In kayfabe terms, I think it will be odd for Hunter to handpick a man who was losing so much and never a proven main eventer as his guy. Cody might not have had the credibility, but imo, that wouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, since the Chosen Champion would ideally just be an avatar for HHH's "best for business" viewpoints and a mannequin for the belt just so that Bryan doesn't have it , a role which would arguably be a step down for Orton. I think Cody could've been a better fit. The thing is we pretty much all knew that whoever won the WWE Title MiTB Briefcase would end up turning on Bryan for the title. But what kept Cody from being in that spot was the MiTB Ladder Match being labeled the "All Star" match. I also think that's the reason why Orton has such limited interaction with HHH and Stephanie. "The Viper" just doesn't fit as a "Chosen Champion" and WWE knows it. But Orton is used in that role because he's one of the biggest names in the company. At the same time, that big name credibility really isn't needed when that person is being "chosen" by the company to begin with. He just needs to be decent enough in the ring that he can put on a good match against the hero Daniel Bryan. And Cody would've done well in that role. While Cody's a decent talker, he doesn't have to do a lot on the mic, since HHH and Steph would've done most of the work hyping him up. Orton needs a huge character overhaul if he's going to be in this spot. |
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Oct 20, 2013 22:11:13 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 20, 2013 22:21:20 GMT -5
In kayfabe terms, I think it will be odd for Hunter to handpick a man who was losing so much and never a proven main eventer as his guy. Cody might not have had the credibility, but imo, that wouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, since the Chosen Champion would ideally just be an avatar for HHH's "best for business" viewpoints and a mannequin for the belt just so that Bryan doesn't have it , a role which would arguably be a step down for Orton. I think Cody could've been a better fit. The thing is we pretty much all knew that whoever won the WWE Title MiTB Briefcase would end up turning on Bryan for the title. But what kept Cody from being in that spot was the MiTB Ladder Match being labeled the "All Star" match. I also think that's the reason why Orton has such limited interaction with HHH and Stephanie. "The Viper" just doesn't fit as a "Chosen Champion" and WWE knows it. But Orton is used in that role because he's one of the biggest names in the company. At the same time, that big name credibility really isn't needed when that person is being "chosen" by the company to begin with. He just needs to be decent enough in the ring that he can put on a good match against the hero Daniel Bryan. And Cody would've done well in that role. While Cody's a decent talker, he doesn't have to do a lot on the mic, since HHH and Steph would've done most of the work hyping him up. Orton needs a huge character overhaul if he's going to be in this spot. I think you also have to take into account in kayfabe terms, HHH was pissed that Orton lost the match to D-bryan. So you still need someone with the credibility to win big matches which Cody hasn't shown in his singles career. I guess Hunter could have taken a risk with someone inexperience but I don't see why you won't take the experience guy who you have faith can win matches on his own. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 22:32:11 GMT -5
I think part of the way Orton's being written as a chosen champion only in the sense that Triple H chooses to have him as the champion if the alternative is Bryan is because of the wellness thing. If they do need to drop Orton, the way he's being written they could at a moment's notice have Triple H turn on him and fire him.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 20, 2013 22:34:09 GMT -5
Cody might not have had the credibility, but imo, that wouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, since the Chosen Champion would ideally just be an avatar for HHH's "best for business" viewpoints and a mannequin for the belt just so that Bryan doesn't have it , a role which would arguably be a step down for Orton. I think Cody could've been a better fit. The thing is we pretty much all knew that whoever won the WWE Title MiTB Briefcase would end up turning on Bryan for the title. But what kept Cody from being in that spot was the MiTB Ladder Match being labeled the "All Star" match. I also think that's the reason why Orton has such limited interaction with HHH and Stephanie. "The Viper" just doesn't fit as a "Chosen Champion" and WWE knows it. But Orton is used in that role because he's one of the biggest names in the company. At the same time, that big name credibility really isn't needed when that person is being "chosen" by the company to begin with. He just needs to be decent enough in the ring that he can put on a good match against the hero Daniel Bryan. And Cody would've done well in that role. While Cody's a decent talker, he doesn't have to do a lot on the mic, since HHH and Steph would've done most of the work hyping him up. Orton needs a huge character overhaul if he's going to be in this spot. I think you also have to take into account in kayfabe terms, HHH was pissed that Orton lost the match to D-bryan. So you still need someone with the credibility to win big matches which Cody hasn't shown in his singles career. I guess Hunter could have taken a risk with someone inexperience but I don't see why you won't take the experience guy who you have faith can win matches on his own. You're right on that point. But at the same time Hunner doesn't need faith when he can just screw Bryan out of the title |
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 20, 2013 23:49:28 GMT -5
I think part of the way Orton's being written as a chosen champion only in the sense that Triple H chooses to have him as the champion if the alternative is Bryan is because of the wellness thing. If they do need to drop Orton, the way he's being written they could at a moment's notice have Triple H turn on him and fire him. I imagine if he gets one more strike, they write Orton out by having him fail to beat Bryan and Triple H subsequently firing him for outliving his usefulness to The Authority. (Probably won't be as humiliating like when Chris Jericho got fired for losing to Cena in 2005, though. We won't see Orton being dragged out by security as he's crying and begging for his job back.) |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 21, 2013 1:01:49 GMT -5
I think part of the way Orton's being written as a chosen champion only in the sense that Triple H chooses to have him as the champion if the alternative is Bryan is because of the wellness thing. If they do need to drop Orton, the way he's being written they could at a moment's notice have Triple H turn on him and fire him. I imagine if he gets one more strike, they write Orton out by having him fail to beat Bryan and Triple H subsequently firing him for outliving his usefulness to The Authority. (Probably won't be as humiliating like when Chris Jericho got fired for losing to Cena in 2005, though. We won't see Orton being dragged out by security as he's crying and begging for his job back.) Maybe Orton isn't going to be crying and begging, but I'd totally love it if Orton went into one of his flailing angry "who the hell do you think you are?" rants like the ones with Big Show. That's when Orton is at his best. |
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 21, 2013 4:06:02 GMT -5
I also think that's the reason why Orton has such limited interaction with HHH and Stephanie. "The Viper" just doesn't fit as a "Chosen Champion" and WWE knows it. But Orton is used in that role because he's one of the biggest names in the company. At the same time, that big name credibility really isn't needed when that person is being "chosen" by the company to begin with. He just needs to be decent enough in the ring that he can put on a good match against the hero Daniel Bryan. And Cody would've done well in that role. While Cody's a decent talker, he doesn't have to do a lot on the mic, since HHH and Steph would've done most of the work hyping him up. On the contrary, I think that makes Orton really work much better AS Triple H's chosen champion: -Randy Orton had been the "OVW Era"'s closest star to being a Stone Cold-style babyface or heel as "The Viper". -However, in the last few years, Orton has been on an obvious dramatic downswing. CM Punk took his place as the person the fans consider the "Austin" figure of the current era. Orton went from being John Cena's equal in the pecking order of the WWE, to not even being in the discussion when The Rock came to fight the top guys, to out of the World Title pictures, to being a glorified midcarder. When even Daniel Bryan could regularly defeat him, and it became clear the fans wanted that. Orton had truly been passed by, but he's still too young to "be" washed up. Put those things in, and it makes perfect sense FOR Orton to choose to be HHH and Stephanie's chosen champion- not as "The Viper", but as Randy Orton, a WWE superstar who has the main event name, but has fallen out of the main event- and who was more than willing to sell his soul for one more chance to be THE MAN in the WWE. |
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Post by EyeofTyr on Oct 21, 2013 5:13:43 GMT -5
I also think that's the reason why Orton has such limited interaction with HHH and Stephanie. "The Viper" just doesn't fit as a "Chosen Champion" and WWE knows it. But Orton is used in that role because he's one of the biggest names in the company. At the same time, that big name credibility really isn't needed when that person is being "chosen" by the company to begin with. He just needs to be decent enough in the ring that he can put on a good match against the hero Daniel Bryan. And Cody would've done well in that role. While Cody's a decent talker, he doesn't have to do a lot on the mic, since HHH and Steph would've done most of the work hyping him up. On the contrary, I think that makes Orton really work much better AS Triple H's chosen champion: -Randy Orton had been the "OVW Era"'s closest star to being a Stone Cold-style babyface or heel as "The Viper". -However, in the last few years, Orton has been on an obvious dramatic downswing. CM Punk took his place as the person the fans consider the "Austin" figure of the current era. Orton went from being John Cena's equal in the pecking order of the WWE, to not even being in the discussion when The Rock came to fight the top guys, to out of the World Title pictures, to being a glorified midcarder. When even Daniel Bryan could regularly defeat him, and it became clear the fans wanted that. Orton had truly been passed by, but he's still too young to "be" washed up. Put those things in, and it makes perfect sense FOR Orton to choose to be HHH and Stephanie's chosen champion- not as "The Viper", but as Randy Orton, a WWE superstar who has the main event name, but has fallen out of the main event- and who was more than willing to sell his soul for one more chance to be THE MAN in the WWE. Which is fitting in it's own way. Since Orton was very much WWE's attempt to be their new Austin, it only makes sense his character would essentially sell out for the same reasons Austin sold out to the corporation. |
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Post by mrjl on Oct 21, 2013 5:47:17 GMT -5
In kayfabe terms, I think it will be odd for Hunter to handpick a man who was losing so much and never a proven main eventer as his guy. Cody might not have had the credibility, but imo, that wouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, since the Chosen Champion would ideally just be an avatar for HHH's "best for business" viewpoints and a mannequin for the belt just so that Bryan doesn't have it , a role which would arguably be a step down for Orton. I think Cody could've been a better fit. The thing is we pretty much all knew that whoever won the WWE Title MiTB Briefcase would end up turning on Bryan for the title. But what kept Cody from being in that spot was the MiTB Ladder Match being labeled the "All Star" match. I also think that's the reason why Orton has such limited interaction with HHH and Stephanie. "The Viper" just doesn't fit as a "Chosen Champion" and WWE knows it. But Orton is used in that role because he's one of the biggest names in the company. At the same time, that big name credibility really isn't needed when that person is being "chosen" by the company to begin with. He just needs to be decent enough in the ring that he can put on a good match against the hero Daniel Bryan. And Cody would've done well in that role. While Cody's a decent talker, he doesn't have to do a lot on the mic, since HHH and Steph would've done most of the work hyping him up. Orton needs a huge character overhaul if he's going to be in this spot. Back in Evolution Trips declared Orton the future of the WWE. Since then Orton has won the World or WWE belt 11 times. But those times included being awarded it once, winning it from Trips the third time he wrestled in a night and in a six man tag match, plus in several multi-man matches. He's also done things like lose it to a guy who was hurt and had to immediately forfeit it. So making Orton the face of the company make Trips right about him |
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Post by mrjl on Oct 21, 2013 5:48:12 GMT -5
I think part of the way Orton's being written as a chosen champion only in the sense that Triple H chooses to have him as the champion if the alternative is Bryan is because of the wellness thing. If they do need to drop Orton, the way he's being written they could at a moment's notice have Triple H turn on him and fire him. I imagine if he gets one more strike, they write Orton out by having him fail to beat Bryan and Triple H subsequently firing him for outliving his usefulness to The Authority. (Probably won't be as humiliating like when Chris Jericho got fired for losing to Cena in 2005, though. We won't see Orton being dragged out by security as he's crying and begging for his job back.) Jericho wants to go out like that. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 21, 2013 7:19:54 GMT -5
I think part of the way Orton's being written as a chosen champion only in the sense that Triple H chooses to have him as the champion if the alternative is Bryan is because of the wellness thing. If they do need to drop Orton, the way he's being written they could at a moment's notice have Triple H turn on him and fire him. I imagine if he gets one more strike, they write Orton out by having him fail to beat Bryan and Triple H subsequently firing him for outliving his usefulness to The Authority. (Probably won't be as humiliating like when Chris Jericho got fired for losing to Cena in 2005, though. We won't see Orton being dragged out by security as he's crying and begging for his job back.) Probably not, but that's probably because unlike Jericho, Orton won't get to choose the way he gets to leave if he's being fired for wellness. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 7:53:39 GMT -5
Orton has the previous (let's not remember the meanness between them ever) history with HHH, and since this is really more HHH vs. Bryan, Orton gets the nod.
Plus it seems for years they've been building Orton up to be more WWE legacy than Orton legacy. Randy almost seems ok with letting go of this familial legacy in wrestling and embrace being a WWE guy, while Cody is part of a successful legacy family and, as far as I know, has seemed very ok with that (or has never shown signs of needing to let go of that family connection).
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Post by katiemorgan67212 on Oct 21, 2013 9:00:50 GMT -5
How does Randy not make sense. Wasn't the whole point of Evolution that Randy was the future of the WWE? And now he is finally ready and Hunter's long term plan is coming to fruition.
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