|
Post by Cela on Oct 26, 2013 3:11:06 GMT -5
Anyone watch Dracula tonight? Big Black Renfield made me do a doubletake.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 8:26:46 GMT -5
I never really watched that show, but isn't the "fish out of water" style family sit com pretty much done to death as it is for white characters already? Or do you mean - like, an EXACT remake of the show? Because that would be bad with any race. Especially since the socio-economic issues revolving around that show are difficult to replicate. It'd pretty much have to take place in an alternate reality or with some swaps made out for it to happen in a different country. Though at that point you'll lose the US audience probably. Yeah, unless you had it set in a universe where race relations were reversed, you couldn't really do a white Jeffersons anymore than you could do a black All in the Family (truthfully, you couldn't get away with All in the Family in this day and no matter who the lead was). Race relations and the characters reflecting the cultures of their world were the driving forces behind those shows. They already tried that, it was a summer fill-in called "704 Hauser". I think John Amos was the father. All they pretty much did was reverse everything from the original. Family is black, not white. They didn't have a daughter, they had a son. He wasn't a left-wing liberal, he was a right-wing Republican. (Think Carlton Banks but a little more mean-spirited.) The only connection besides the address was when Casey Siemaszko (a young up-and-coming actor at the time) played Joey Stivic, a guy who just wanted to visit the home. I agree with the guy that said unless you want to change historical figures, I don't care if Ralph Kramden is black or white. (But I DO care if he's played by Cedric The Entertainer, because that was crap.)
|
|
TheDieselTrain
Fry's dog Seymour
Chicks Dig Hootie.
Is Stone Cold gonna have to smack a bitch?? WHAT!!!?????
Posts: 23,724
|
Post by TheDieselTrain on Oct 26, 2013 8:49:06 GMT -5
I remember reading once upon a time Cuba Gooding jr was being discussed as a potential james bond. 2 for 1 special not white and not british
|
|
|
Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 26, 2013 9:03:29 GMT -5
It seems like a lifetime ago Cuba won that Oscar. He's been in so much shit since.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 9:12:16 GMT -5
I'm still expecting a terrible Back to the Future remake starring Jaden Smith as Marty, Will Smith as George, and Morgan Freeman as Doc Brown. Morgan Freeman would be an awesome Doc Brown!
|
|
|
Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 26, 2013 9:14:54 GMT -5
I'm still expecting a terrible Back to the Future remake starring Jaden Smith as Marty, Will Smith as George, and Morgan Freeman as Doc Brown. mind, that would be terrible for different reasons entirely.
|
|
|
Post by wildojinx on Oct 26, 2013 11:12:49 GMT -5
Yeah, unless you had it set in a universe where race relations were reversed, you couldn't really do a white Jeffersons anymore than you could do a black All in the Family (truthfully, you couldn't get away with All in the Family in this day and no matter who the lead was). Race relations and the characters reflecting the cultures of their world were the driving forces behind those shows. They already tried that, it was a summer fill-in called "704 Hauser". I think John Amos was the father. All they pretty much did was reverse everything from the original. Family is black, not white. They didn't have a daughter, they had a son. He wasn't a left-wing liberal, he was a right-wing Republican. (Think Carlton Banks but a little more mean-spirited.) The only connection besides the address was when Casey Siemaszko (a young up-and-coming actor at the time) played Joey Stivic, a guy who just wanted to visit the home. .) Sounds more like a Black Family Ties.
|
|
skulldouggory
Unicron
Needs More Shirtless Barry Windham
Posts: 2,535
|
Post by skulldouggory on Oct 28, 2013 8:21:32 GMT -5
I just see it as a way to put the hottest(drawing) actors at the time into key roles, and the 90s/00s just was the time where Caucasians stopped dominating as the hottest big budget draws. Doing it to enlist a reaction is wrong, but i doubt anyone could be proven of that even if they did.
The only reboot/recasting that I hated wasn't even race related, I wish Terrence Howard got to be War Machine, because that dude is badass.
|
|
|
Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 28, 2013 8:30:46 GMT -5
Coming Summer 2015: Liam Hemsworth IS Blade the Vampire Hunter. Wasn't Blade's race made ambiguous in Fox Spider-Man?
|
|
|
Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 28, 2013 8:34:06 GMT -5
I'm still expecting a terrible Back to the Future remake starring Jaden Smith as Marty, Will Smith as George, and Morgan Freeman as Doc Brown. Morgan Freeman would be an awesome Doc Brown! Erase now before he gets any ideas. And you KNOW Will Smith would really do this.
|
|
|
Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 28, 2013 8:41:05 GMT -5
This is undoubtedly a trend. Octavia Spencer will be in a Murder She Wrote remake. Annie is another character, along with some comic book characters, etc. but why is this? To try to do the exact opposite of what an audience expects? To get people talking? It seems like more of a bandwagon thing now than anything. I don't like it, and I think Cracked pointed out that anyone that complains about a reboot of a character like this then that person has some kind of deeper issue. Well I don't. Maybe I'm narrow minded, but I think a character shouldn't really change. Not their appearance anyway, otherwise you're paying to rip off a character when you could make a movie about a black woman that solves crimes, in the case of Murder She Wrote. Thoughts? Simple: Political correctness. Everything must be equal, and seems everyone must have an equal go at portraying iconic characters as such. I expect this new show to be as much of a hit as the new Ironside anyway (say, which studio did both shows before and this time?) /Now if Jessica finds clues in poop-filled pies, I'd SO watch it...
|
|
Some Guy
Grimlock
Posts: 13,218
Member is Online
|
Post by Some Guy on Oct 28, 2013 8:45:16 GMT -5
Ok, sometimes it doesn't work but sometimes it's better. Denzel Washington blew Frank Sinatra's version of Major Marco in the Manchurian Candidate away. Nick Fury in The Ultimates and Ultimate X-Men, led to major motion picture adaptation as an African American. Other times, it seems to be done just for the sake of doing it. Hey whoa there, the original Manchuan Candidate > the remake, and the Sinatara role goes along with that.
|
|
|
Post by Red Impact on Oct 28, 2013 9:13:22 GMT -5
Coming Summer 2015: Liam Hemsworth IS Blade the Vampire Hunter. Wasn't Blade's race made ambiguous in Fox Spider-Man? I don't know if I'd say Ambiguous as much as I'd say he was white. They made Storm the most fair-skinned black girl possible early on, and he was whiter than her. At most, maybe they made him into a hispanic-looking character, but he definitely didn't look black.
|
|
|
Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 28, 2013 10:03:55 GMT -5
Wasn't Blade's race made ambiguous in Fox Spider-Man? I don't know if I'd say Ambiguous as much as I'd say he was white. They made Storm the most fair-skinned black girl possible early on, and he was whiter than her. At most, maybe they made him into a hispanic-looking character, but he definitely didn't look black. Oh, OK. And now I am recalling, "I need...PLASMA!"
|
|
|
Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 28, 2013 10:45:47 GMT -5
pfft... Tombstone's whitewashing was worse than Blade's.
|
|
Goldenbane
Hank Scorpio
THE G.D. Goldenbane
Posts: 7,331
|
Post by Goldenbane on Oct 28, 2013 12:54:24 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd say Ambiguous as much as I'd say he was white. They made Storm the most fair-skinned black girl possible early on, and he was whiter than her. At most, maybe they made him into a hispanic-looking character, but he definitely didn't look black. Oh, OK. And now I am recalling, "I need...PLASMA!" Heh, I kept wishing some guy with Plasma blasting powers would show up. "I need.........PLASMA!" "What? No problem dude, it's good to know I can use my destructive powers for good for once!" *BLAST* "ARGH! Not THAT plasma!"
|
|
|
Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 28, 2013 23:19:16 GMT -5
I don't mind it if the change either...
A - Doesn't put a black character in a historical setting where there ARE no black people. I.e, the Robin Hood tv series from a few years ago. That had black actors playing parts of the Friar Tuck and one of the Sheriff's enforcers. Sorry... but I'm not buying it. It's like if they had a tv show/movie set in 15th century Africa and had a white man as the village doctor.
B - Doesn't come across as giving a black actor the role purely because he's black and they want to jump on the bandwagon, appear PC, diversify the film up a bit etc
C - Doesn't seem silly. Like having a black guy play Jonny Storm... the brother of Hitler's wet dream, Sue Storm. I mean, come on.
|
|
Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
Posts: 18,321
|
Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 29, 2013 3:04:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sorry, it's weird enough they're making Johnny Storm black, but they are only looking at white actresses for Aue, so you're at minimum forcing them to make them step siblings or something, which is changing what the characters are supposed to be.
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Oct 29, 2013 5:57:22 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me. I have more of a problem with awesome characters being given crappy pointless reboots, whatever the colour of the actor is.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 6:00:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sorry, it's weird enough they're making Johnny Storm black, but they are only looking at white actresses for Aue, so you're at minimum forcing them to make them step siblings or something, which is changing what the characters are supposed to be. I think the more troubling issue with the new Fantastic Four is that all of them seem to be teenagers.
|
|