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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 26, 2013 10:04:25 GMT -5
I'm convinced that Wrestlemania XII was the moment HHH decided to take over the WWF You can thank the Warrior for the Reign of Terror.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 26, 2013 10:06:30 GMT -5
Smarks back in the day were furious over HHH being buried like this. If they only knew. Wait until 5 years from now when Dolph Ziggler is keeping young, talented wrestlers from the main event scene. The rage will be bigger.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 26, 2013 10:37:09 GMT -5
Smarks back in the day were furious over HHH being buried like this. If they only knew. Wait until 5 years from now when Dolph Ziggler is keeping young, talented wrestlers from the main event scene. The rage will be bigger. my money's on Cody Rhodes.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 26, 2013 11:29:39 GMT -5
I'm convinced that Wrestlemania XII was the moment HHH decided to take over the WWF I really want that to be part of his kayfabe backstory. Like they shoot a backstage video of what happened back then with like, ridiculous old school props like disco balls and VHSs in the background, and we see HHH in the dressing room after the match. He's looking down and we don't see his eyes, a towel hastily tossed over the back of his head. We can hear Wrestlemania XII in the background, faintly, but nothing else. Then we hear a voice more akin to a growl than to human speech saying, NEVER AGAIN!Then his eyes would shine red like a demon. And the camera would fade out as he bought Stephanie a cup of coffee.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 11:41:33 GMT -5
There is a lot of revisionism with this match.
The MSG incident happend after this, so HHH was not getting "punished" yet. Warrior was making his big return after four years and needed a low-card heel to beat convincingly. That is what HHH was at the time. His last three feuds prior to WM were with Fatu (Make A Difference), Henry Godwinn, and Duke The Dumpster Droese. People acting like he was this young, up-and-coming young star that the WWF wanted to push to the moon upon arrival is ridiculous. Rocky Maivia fits that description. HHH was a typical heel that the WWF started to slowly push on TV and PPV. A loss to the Warrior in that fashion was pretty forgettable, and it transitioned right into a program with Marc Mero (another newcomer to the WWF at the time).
People make it out to be a big deal now because of where HHH is in the company, but it was barely a ripple back then.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 26, 2013 15:54:36 GMT -5
Wait until 5 years from now when Dolph Ziggler is keeping young, talented wrestlers from the main event scene. The rage will be bigger. my money's on Cody Rhodes. You fools. Ryder will hold down the entire roster, and the roster after that!
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 26, 2013 16:11:54 GMT -5
There is a lot of revisionism with this match. The MSG incident happend after this, so HHH was not getting "punished" yet. Warrior was making his big return after four years and needed a low-card heel to beat convincingly. That is what HHH was at the time. His last three feuds prior to WM were with Fatu (Make A Difference), Henry Godwinn, and Duke The Dumpster Droese. People acting like he was this young, up-and-coming young star that the WWF wanted to push to the moon upon arrival is ridiculous. Rocky Maivia fits that description. HHH was a typical heel that the WWF started to slowly push on TV and PPV. A loss to the Warrior in that fashion was pretty forgettable, and it transitioned right into a program with Marc Mero (another newcomer to the WWF at the time). People make it out to be a big deal now because of where HHH is in the company, but it was barely a ripple back then. While that's all true, it sure as hell doesn't make the moment any less funny to watch.
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Post by percymania on Oct 26, 2013 21:16:33 GMT -5
There is a lot of revisionism with this match. The MSG incident happend after this, so HHH was not getting "punished" yet. Warrior was making his big return after four years and needed a low-card heel to beat convincingly. That is what HHH was at the time. His last three feuds prior to WM were with Fatu (Make A Difference), Henry Godwinn, and Duke The Dumpster Droese. People acting like he was this young, up-and-coming young star that the WWF wanted to push to the moon upon arrival is ridiculous. Rocky Maivia fits that description. HHH was a typical heel that the WWF started to slowly push on TV and PPV. A loss to the Warrior in that fashion was pretty forgettable, and it transitioned right into a program with Marc Mero (another newcomer to the WWF at the time). People make it out to be a big deal now because of where HHH is in the company, but it was barely a ripple back then. Scott Hall recently said on AOW that Vince had OK'd the whole curtain call beforehand. So there's that too.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 26, 2013 23:11:51 GMT -5
Hunter may have had the kliq backing but IMO was going nowhere at the time. He was his WrestleMania equivalent to S.D. Jones, George Wells, Bolsheviks, Power & Glory, and Adam Bomb as in guys simply going nowhere, used to put over the star in line for a push. After the show he was in line to put over a newcomer that must have been so important himself that Todd couldn't be bothered to get his name right (MARC MORROW!). If not for Shawn, Stephanie or even Chyna, Road Dogg and X-Pac, Paul Roma would be the one calling Hunter/Terra Ryzing "the job guy from WWE/WCW." Wasn't Warrior also in a decline at this point?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 27, 2013 1:00:23 GMT -5
This explains everything, really. Every time HHH shuts his eyes, he sees The Ultimate Warrior standing behind him, no selling his finisher, making him look weak and feeble. When he kicked Wade Barrett in the balls for some reason, he was really kicking The Ultimate Warrior in the balls for retribution. When Sheamus came out to give him an Irish greeting before Wrestlemania 27, it was really The Ultimate Warrior out to no sell him again, so he threw Sheamus through a table after being triggered by the moniker "Celtic Warrior." When the entire roster walked out on him, sans for Booker T who needed to use the restroom, in 2011? It was a bunch of two-timing Ultimate Warriors trying to make him into a fool. Triple H could get a better match out of a broomstick than the Ultimate Warrior.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 27, 2013 1:19:07 GMT -5
Wasn't Warrior also in a decline at this point? You could say Hogan was at a decline at this point too, since Warrior's return predated Hogan's heel turn. Warrior was simply returning and there to garner interest. If Warrior proved to be a rating bumper, then Vince would have overridden the Kliq and Shawn and probably Bret would have joined Nash and Hall in joining WCW. But conebone69 is absolutely correct. Warrior needed to start at the bottom again. For him to jump in there and feud with Diesel or Shawn or even Yokozuna...it would have just seemed off. A lot had changed between 1992 and '96...so Warrior honestly would have been out of his league if he didn't start off small again. It was also smart of Vince to do that, and have him get wins over people who it didn't matter if he beat or not, in the case that Warrior ever decided to jump to WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 1:35:49 GMT -5
I'm convinced that Wrestlemania XII was the moment HHH decided to take over the WWF I'm now picturing him in the dressing room after the match, crying, swearing that "this will never happen again."
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 27, 2013 2:09:29 GMT -5
my money's on Cody Rhodes. You fools. Ryder will hold down the entire roster, and the roster after that! Don't get me excited.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 2:30:41 GMT -5
There is a lot of revisionism with this match. The MSG incident happend after this, so HHH was not getting "punished" yet. Warrior was making his big return after four years and needed a low-card heel to beat convincingly. That is what HHH was at the time. His last three feuds prior to WM were with Fatu (Make A Difference), Henry Godwinn, and Duke The Dumpster Droese. People acting like he was this young, up-and-coming young star that the WWF wanted to push to the moon upon arrival is ridiculous. Rocky Maivia fits that description. HHH was a typical heel that the WWF started to slowly push on TV and PPV. A loss to the Warrior in that fashion was pretty forgettable, and it transitioned right into a program with Marc Mero (another newcomer to the WWF at the time). People make it out to be a big deal now because of where HHH is in the company, but it was barely a ripple back then. Agreed. Today, it would be much more akin to a returning Goldberg squashing someone like Drew McIntyre. it sure as hell doesn't make the moment any less funny to watch. This is also very true.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 27, 2013 2:56:12 GMT -5
See I've always thought that it wouldn't harm HHH to acknowledge that defeat. He could use it as a teaching tool for younger wrestlers like those on NXT. He could say something like "In this business, you've got to get noticed and make your mark. When I came to the WWE I was a skinny nobody but I knew that I had to make an impact. So I went out there and challenged the toughest guy in the company, the Ultimate Warrior, and I faced him at Wrestlemania, and you know what happened to the Ultimate Warrior?.....absolutely nothing. He destroyed me and beat me in less than a minute. I was beaten, I was broken, I was humiliated, but I picked myself up and learned from that and within a few months I was Intercontinental Champion. Within one year, I was King of the Ring. Within two years I had taken control of De-Generation X and within three years, I was WWE Champion".
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 27, 2013 3:39:35 GMT -5
You fools. Ryder will hold down the entire roster, and the roster after that! Don't get me excited. If I wanted to get you excited, I'd say Ryder will be holding you down!
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Post by héad.casé on Oct 27, 2013 5:12:04 GMT -5
I think I remember Triple H doing an interview about this in a magazine years ago where he was asked about it, and he said he was actually excited about working Warrior and went to find him to bounce some match ideas off him, but Warrior was like "Nope, we're not doing any of that. I'm squashing you in a minute".
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Post by baerrtt on Oct 27, 2013 8:36:10 GMT -5
See I've always thought that it wouldn't harm HHH to acknowledge that defeat. He could use it as a teaching tool for younger wrestlers like those on NXT. He could say something like "In this business, you've got to get noticed and make your mark. When I came to the WWE I was a skinny nobody but I knew that I had to make an impact. So I went out there and challenged the toughest guy in the company, the Ultimate Warrior, and I faced him at Wrestlemania, and you know what happened to the Ultimate Warrior?.....absolutely nothing. He destroyed me and beat me in less than a minute. I was beaten, I was broken, I was humiliated, but I picked myself up and learned from that and within a few months I was Intercontinental Champion. Within one year, I was King of the Ring. Within two years I had taken control of De-Generation X and within three years, I was WWE Champion". Some ppl seem to be forgetting, conveniently, that he used the defeat as a basis for a promo he gave Sheamus in the run up to their match at WM 26 saying how he was the cocky up and coming young guy facing the Warrior back then as Sheamus was facing him and how he learned a lesson when he got beaten in the fashion he did. Also for anyone else who thinks he ever harboured a grudge towards Hellwig I have Batista's autiobiography and he pretty much says his rope shaking homage to UW was something HHH suggested when, during some down time on the road, they were watching the Hogan vs Warrior WM match.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 27, 2013 9:26:04 GMT -5
I always switch channels when Sheamus appears, so I must have missed that.
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Post by baerrtt on Oct 27, 2013 9:46:42 GMT -5
I always switch channels when Sheamus appears, so I must have missed that. They even showed clips of the match in a video package in the run up to the Trips-Sheamus match at Mania.
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