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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 26, 2013 10:15:18 GMT -5
I didn't see much fear from HHH when he was confronted by Big Show. He just kind of stood there. I haven't seen this frequent humiliation since Summerslam. I must have missed it. He's constantly got the better of Daniel Bryan and shows no fear of him at all. Daniel Bryan doesn't even have much of a retort when HHH goes off on one of his "quasi-shoot promos that make him look better at the expense of every one else" promos that few if any are allowed to respond to. And previous experience watching HHH's angles has conditioned me to not expect a suitable comeuppance. When it's all over, he'll prevail. No fear?! He was terrified until his minions got the upper hand at which point he gloated but returned to being terrified when Show fought back. His plans to put down the "rebels" have constantly been foiled. Clearly you haven't been watching RAW then. The only time Triple H shows no fear is when he's got The Shield protecting him, never once has he presumed to get the upper hand of Bryan/Show or anyone else on his own. He's playing the evil dictator role, so I don't know what you want him to do in his promos. He's not exactly gonna stand there and praise Bryan/Show etc. is he? The thing about Bryan is that, while he deserves to be involved and get revenge for being torn down, it's probably not in his established personality to do it without a sudden change. He's not a venomous trash talker like Punk who could tear Triple H to shreds with his words, nor is he a hellraiser like Austin who would do anything and everything to get under the skin of McMahon. The guy just wants to wrestle.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 26, 2013 10:23:01 GMT -5
I didn't see much fear from HHH when he was confronted by Big Show. He just kind of stood there. I haven't seen this frequent humiliation since Summerslam. I must have missed it. He's constantly got the better of Daniel Bryan and shows no fear of him at all. Daniel Bryan doesn't even have much of a retort when HHH goes off on one of his "quasi-shoot promos that make him look better at the expense of every one else" promos that few if any are allowed to respond to. And previous experience watching HHH's angles has conditioned me to not expect a suitable comeuppance. When it's all over, he'll prevail. No fear?! He was terrified until his minions got the upper hand at which point he gloated but returned to being terrified when Show fought back. His plans to put down the "rebels" have constantly been foiled. Clearly you haven't been watching RAW then. The only time Triple H shows no fear is when he's got The Shield protecting him, never once has he presumed to get the upper hand of Bryan/Show or anyone else on his own. He's playing the evil dictator role, so I don't know what you want him to do in his promos. He's not exactly gonna stand there and praise Bryan/Show etc. is he? He had almost the entire roster fearful of him. SHIELD were three guys. The roster could have killed the SHIELD. Have the rebels really foiled his plans? The Rhodes family won the titles but HHH hasn't seemed that bothered about it. He's constantly outmanuevered Daniel Bryan. Big Show appears now and then but that's about it. Are there any other rebels? Miz has been destroyed. Dolph has disappeared from relevance. Who's left? An evil villain authority figure can make his enemy look good without outright praise. HHH is unwilling/unable to do that. He prefers the "demean the opponent then be proved right" approach.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Oct 26, 2013 10:32:39 GMT -5
No fear?! He was terrified until his minions got the upper hand at which point he gloated but returned to being terrified when Show fought back. His plans to put down the "rebels" have constantly been foiled. Clearly you haven't been watching RAW then. The only time Triple H shows no fear is when he's got The Shield protecting him, never once has he presumed to get the upper hand of Bryan/Show or anyone else on his own. He's playing the evil dictator role, so I don't know what you want him to do in his promos. He's not exactly gonna stand there and praise Bryan/Show etc. is he? He had almost the entire roster fearful of him. SHIELD were three guys. The roster could have killed the SHIELD. Have the rebels really foiled his plans? The Rhodes family won the titles but HHH hasn't seemed that bothered about it. He's constantly outmanuevered Daniel Bryan. Big Show appears now and then but that's about it. Are there any other rebels? Miz has been destroyed. Dolph has disappeared from relevance. Who's left? An evil villain authority figure can make his enemy look good without outright praise. HHH is unwilling/unable to do that. He prefers the "demean the opponent then be proved right" approach. Because he's the most important man in the company in kayfabe. If your boss was a power tripping evil bastard like HHH would you want to upset him? I'd be scared shitless of the guy. Of course they could, but that would mean fighting back against your boss, which isn't a smart thing to do - that's why I didn't understand them booking that 'roster run-in for the save' piece of the story so early on. Didn't seem bothered? He practically had a hissy fit in the centre of the ring after the Rhodes' prevailed. He should be outmaneuvering Bryan more in my opinion. HHH is the corporation, the machine. Bryan is fighting against him and will eventually win out but you have to let the machine be on top for a while before you get the feelgood victory, that's how wrestling works. Now and then? Ever since being fired - after weeks off humiliation - Show has dominated HHH and foiled his plans at every turn (which is why he'll probably turn heel at HIAC). I'd like to see an example of what you mean by that. I hate people who sweepingly generalise things and people but here I feel I have to do it myself. If this wasn't Triple H I don't think we'd even be having this conversation.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 26, 2013 10:39:46 GMT -5
He had almost the entire roster fearful of him. SHIELD were three guys. The roster could have killed the SHIELD. Have the rebels really foiled his plans? The Rhodes family won the titles but HHH hasn't seemed that bothered about it. He's constantly outmanuevered Daniel Bryan. Big Show appears now and then but that's about it. Are there any other rebels? Miz has been destroyed. Dolph has disappeared from relevance. Who's left? An evil villain authority figure can make his enemy look good without outright praise. HHH is unwilling/unable to do that. He prefers the "demean the opponent then be proved right" approach. Because he's the most important man in the company in kayfabe. If your boss was a power tripping evil bastard like HHH would you want to upset him? I'd be scared shitless of the guy. Of course they could, but that would mean fighting back against your boss, which isn't a smart thing to do - that's why I didn't understand them booking that 'roster run-in for the save' piece of the story so early on. Didn't seem bothered? He practically had a hissy fit in the centre of the ring after the Rhodes' prevailed. He should be outmaneuvering Bryan more in my opinion. HHH is the corporation, the machine. Bryan is fighting against him and will eventually win out but you have to let the machine be on top for a while before you get the feelgood victory, that's how wrestling works. Now and then? Ever since being fired - after weeks off humiliation - Show has dominated HHH and foiled his plans at every turn (which is why he'll probably turn heel at HIAC). I'd like to see an example of what you mean by that. I hate people who sweepingly generalise things and people but here I feel I have to do it myself. If this wasn't Triple H I don't think we'd even be having this conversation. If it wasn't HHH it wouldn't be booked like this. He draws criticism by how he books himself. If the authority figure is TOO powerful, it kills the drama. You either have to have a situation where the hero says "I don't care whether I'm fired or not, I'm going to kill you anyway" or the villain say "I could fire you, but that would be too easy" and vows to force the hero to play ball. Neither of this is really happening with Daniel Bryan and he's the one who needs to be booked that way. He's booked to be way too passive compared to HHH.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Oct 26, 2013 21:25:32 GMT -5
To be fair, in kayfabe, HHH is treated like a God among Men & The Destroyer of Worlds, so it's not hard to see why the OP might think this way.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 26, 2013 21:32:45 GMT -5
HHH as the authority figure just doesn't work, because he's not willing to show fear or get comeuppance. Vince did, all the time. He allowed himself to take beatings and ritual humiliation. HHH on the other hand has to ALWAYS be presented as Billy Big Bollocks. He has to always be the toughest kid in school, even if he's semi-retired, wearing a suit, and should be as rusty as the Titanic. Why do people always conveniently forget he was terrified of Show and then got knocked the f*** out? HHH isn't going to put anyone over who actually needs it.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 26, 2013 22:02:05 GMT -5
Triple H is much too busy being the most most awesome, smartest, hilarious, toughest, badass, cool guy to have any time for menial things like fear.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Oct 26, 2013 22:32:35 GMT -5
I can't get too upset with the way Triple H and company have been booked, because I'm currently working my way through my 1996 Nitro tapes. Dictator Triple H is booked like Barry Horowitz compared to the early nWo.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Oct 26, 2013 22:55:08 GMT -5
Bryan beat John Cena - clean. John Cena beat HHH numerous times. Bryan wins. And beat Brock. So Bryan > Cena > HHH > Brock?
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 26, 2013 23:30:09 GMT -5
I had completely forgotten Triple H's little feud with Curtis Axel until reading this thread.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Oct 27, 2013 0:57:02 GMT -5
So why are they trying to act like this is Austin-McMahon and Trips is some scared old man? The whole thing comes off as ridiculous. Triple H beat Brock Lesnar at Mania and a few months later is scared of Bryan? It's the beard ya see. Unkempt facial hair is Trips biggest weakness next to the sledgehammer aisle of his local hardware store...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 16:30:47 GMT -5
In kayfabe HHH would squash everyone, because he's not only the greatest wrestler that ever lived, but probably the best man to be born period.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 27, 2013 16:38:54 GMT -5
No fear?! He was terrified until his minions got the upper hand at which point he gloated but returned to being terrified when Show fought back. His plans to put down the "rebels" have constantly been foiled. Clearly you haven't been watching RAW then. The only time Triple H shows no fear is when he's got The Shield protecting him, never once has he presumed to get the upper hand of Bryan/Show or anyone else on his own. He's playing the evil dictator role, so I don't know what you want him to do in his promos. He's not exactly gonna stand there and praise Bryan/Show etc. is he? He had almost the entire roster fearful of him. SHIELD were three guys. The roster could have killed the SHIELD. Have the rebels really foiled his plans? The Rhodes family won the titles but HHH hasn't seemed that bothered about it. He's constantly outmanuevered Daniel Bryan. Big Show appears now and then but that's about it. Are there any other rebels? Miz has been destroyed. Dolph has disappeared from relevance. Who's left? An evil villain authority figure can make his enemy look good without outright praise. HHH is unwilling/unable to do that. He prefers the "demean the opponent then be proved right" approach. you didn't notice how Trips charged the ring when the Rhodes won the tag belts? He was plainly pissed And any of the 11 guys who faced the Shield can pop up again
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