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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 3:53:54 GMT -5
Jim Ross buys it ...and aquires The Rock and Stone Colds talents on a yearly part time basis.
*Vince goes into shock*.
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Post by Rave on Oct 28, 2013 3:59:43 GMT -5
At this point, I want Hogan, Bischoff, and/or Vince as far away as possible. Sell to Viacom or back to the Jarretts.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 28, 2013 4:15:38 GMT -5
Unless Bischoff finds a new money mark to leech money off of, he is not buying TNA. The last big ideas Bischoff had since WCW went under was Celebrity Wrestling and finding shows for Scott Baio. Yeah, he ran WCW during its successful times but he also ran that sumbitch into the iceberg. He still is practicing the same bad habits just on a much lower scale. Trusting him to save TNA is like making Lindsey Lohan the owner of a rehab clinic.
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 28, 2013 4:25:05 GMT -5
Bischoff's two biggest contributions to wrestling were that he shook up the TV formula by actually having the entire card consist of name wrestler versus name wrestlers instead of name wrestler versus no name jobber, and that he helped further the "reality TV" direction wrestling was starting to go in at the time by booking events as if they were unscripted, thereby upping the drama. Bischoff's biggest weaknesses are that he relies way too much on pre-established talent and has no idea how to groom new talent to eventually take their place. He also has a tendency to repeat himself and recycle the same handful of ideas over and over instead of trying to add something new and different to it. Bischoff is one of those "if its not broke don't fix it" types, rather than a "if its worn out it should be replaced" types. Being fair to Bischoff, though: EVERYONE in wrestling- and indeed, 90% of entertainment- is an "If it's not broke, don't fix it" type. Bischoff is, Vince is, Dixie is, Shane and Stephanie are, Heyman is, Cornette is, Quackenbush is, Allison Danger is, Bill Watts is, [Insert lesser-known booker] is, the random "new name" with new ideas is, and if any person on FAN were the one handed the reins including myself WE probably would be too. In wrestling, the traditional way every wrestler or promoter gets is that when something works, they run with it until it's run into the ground, then run with it some more simply because it worked before, so how could it fail? Just saying Bischoff is of that type doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a bad choice- since EVERYONE'S that way, and the only guy to really make it who was close to not being that way and replaced things starting to wind down or be worn out? Vince Russo (which is a whole other problem.)
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 28, 2013 4:35:23 GMT -5
Jim Ross buys it ...and aquires The Rock and Stone Colds talents on a yearly part time basis. *Vince goes into shock*. I would absolutely love this.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 28, 2013 5:02:21 GMT -5
@newlegacyinc the rumors are true. we are buying TNA. impact will now be 2 hours of scott steiner playing video games. you're welcome. I will chip in if you can find Brian Lee to become a real life Nudertaker
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 5:12:44 GMT -5
It's a pipe dream at best, but could you imagine IF TNA got their act together first and was able to get The Rock to be a fixture on their programming? Guy is one of the big three along with Hogan and Austin AND is one of the biggest current actors in the movie industry. That would be huge for a company like TNA. Unfortunetly, this is about as likely as pigs sprouting wings and flying, so yeah.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 28, 2013 6:48:39 GMT -5
Unless Bischoff finds a new money mark to leech money off of, he is not buying TNA. The last big ideas Bischoff had since WCW went under was Celebrity Wrestling and finding shows for Scott Baio. Yeah, he ran WCW during its successful times but he also ran that sumbitch into the iceberg. He still is practicing the same bad habits just on a much lower scale. Trusting him to save TNA is like making Lindsey Lohan the owner of a rehab clinic. Total Non-Stop Scott Baio BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 28, 2013 6:56:58 GMT -5
This site will look weird with just "WWE" and "Wrest of Wrestling" forums.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 28, 2013 6:59:27 GMT -5
Unless Bischoff finds a new money mark to leech money off of, he is not buying TNA. The last big ideas Bischoff had since WCW went under was Celebrity Wrestling and finding shows for Scott Baio. Yeah, he ran WCW during its successful times but he also ran that sumbitch into the iceberg. He still is practicing the same bad habits just on a much lower scale. Trusting him to save TNA is like making Lindsey Lohan the owner of a rehab clinic. Well there is always the hope that Eric learned from his mistakes (big stretch). I mean, while the nWo was his biggest idea creatively for WCW he did do a lot in his time that helped make WCW profitable. Yes he spent a boatload of Turner's money, but that wasn't why WCW ended up making a profit. I personally also have to wonder how Bischoff would run a promotion when he A)Has a budget and B)Doesn't have a bunch of corporate people and creative control (his fault) messing up his booking. Again, this is all based on whether or not you believe what Bischoff has said (I believe some things, others I don't). If TNA is sold, whoever buys it needs to have a clear vision.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 28, 2013 6:59:59 GMT -5
As much as we joke about Ted Turner getting back into the "wrasslin' business", I honestly don't think he's interested in doing so. I watched a recent interview of his and he seems content running his ranch and restaurant. As much as it would be kind of cool, I doubt if he even did come back, anything would change much from they currently are in the industry. Maybe not Turner, what if some folks at Time Warner decide they would like to give wrestling which they threw out years ago, one more shot?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 28, 2013 7:06:05 GMT -5
Unless Bischoff finds a new money mark to leech money off of, he is not buying TNA. The last big ideas Bischoff had since WCW went under was Celebrity Wrestling and finding shows for Scott Baio. Yeah, he ran WCW during its successful times but he also ran that sumbitch into the iceberg. He still is practicing the same bad habits just on a much lower scale. Trusting him to save TNA is like making Lindsey Lohan the owner of a rehab clinic. Bischoff is one of those people who seems to have the gift of the gab, like an old timey snake oil salesman, but I think he would struggle to sell the idea of a Bischoff run TNA to investors. He ran WCW into the ground and all his ideas have crippled a formerly profitable TNA so investing in a Bischoff wrestling company would be like backing an energy company run by the ghost of Kenneth Lay.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 28, 2013 7:20:03 GMT -5
Bischoff's two biggest contributions to wrestling were that he shook up the TV formula by actually having the entire card consist of name wrestler versus name wrestlers instead of name wrestler versus no name jobber, and that he helped further the "reality TV" direction wrestling was starting to go in at the time by booking events as if they were unscripted, thereby upping the drama. Bischoff's biggest weaknesses are that he relies way too much on pre-established talent and has no idea how to groom new talent to eventually take their place. He also has a tendency to repeat himself and recycle the same handful of ideas over and over instead of trying to add something new and different to it. Bischoff is one of those "if its not broke don't fix it" types, rather than a "if its worn out it should be replaced" types. Being fair to Bischoff, though: EVERYONE in wrestling- and indeed, 90% of entertainment- is an "If it's not broke, don't fix it" type. Bischoff is, Vince is, Dixie is, Shane and Stephanie are, Heyman is, Cornette is, Quackenbush is, Allison Danger is, Bill Watts is, [Insert lesser-known booker] is, the random "new name" with new ideas is, and if any person on FAN were the one handed the reins including myself WE probably would be too. In wrestling, the traditional way every wrestler or promoter gets is that when something works, they run with it until it's run into the ground, then run with it some more simply because it worked before, so how could it fail? Just saying Bischoff is of that type doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a bad choice- since EVERYONE'S that way, and the only guy to really make it who was close to not being that way and replaced things starting to wind down or be worn out? Vince Russo (which is a whole other problem.) Not necessarily. If Vince WAS that way he would not have been willing to embrace the edgier "Attitude Era" writing and would have still been promoting wrestling garbage men and plumbers. He also would have still had Shawn Michaels and Yokozuna in the main event instead of establishing new stars like Austin and The Rock.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 28, 2013 7:27:36 GMT -5
Bischoff's problem is that he still probably thinks that he could have killed WWE if only (X) didn't happen. So he hasn't learned from his mistakes because he feels that others, not him, made them.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Oct 28, 2013 7:31:23 GMT -5
This site will look weird with just "WWE" and "Wrest of Wrestling" forums. ROH gets bumped to the big time!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 7:42:05 GMT -5
Unless Bischoff finds a new money mark to leech money off of, he is not buying TNA. The last big ideas Bischoff had since WCW went under was Celebrity Wrestling and finding shows for Scott Baio. Yeah, he ran WCW during its successful times but he also ran that sumbitch into the iceberg. He still is practicing the same bad habits just on a much lower scale. Trusting him to save TNA is like making Lindsey Lohan the owner of a rehab clinic. Well there is always the hope that Eric learned from his mistakes (big stretch). I mean, while the nWo was his biggest idea creatively for WCW he did do a lot in his time that helped make WCW profitable. Yes he spent a boatload of Turner's money, but that wasn't why WCW ended up making a profit. I personally also have to wonder how Bischoff would run a promotion when he A)Has a budget and B)Doesn't have a bunch of corporate people and creative control (his fault) messing up his booking. Again, this is all based on whether or not you believe what Bischoff has said (I believe some things, others I don't). If TNA is sold, whoever buys it needs to have a clear vision. Agreed. Bischoff was the one who used Disney to film episodes of WCW TV when they were having trouble filling arenas. I think when given a budget he will adapt, but from 1994-98 he had unlimited resources and a guaranteed prime time slot on TNT so he went crazy. If he slowly starts building up TNA like he did WCW in 93, then there may be progress, especially if it is Bischoff's money on the line (not Turner's or Carter's). Also, I remember reading that had he successful purchased WCW that he would have built the promotion around RVD. That was in 2001, before RVD became hugely popular in the WWF. Not sure how true that is (haven't read his book or anything) but it suggests even at the end of his run he still recognized a star when he saw one. Not sure what his TNA ideas were, but it was likely a mixed bag either way. If Bischoff's money is on the line, would he make financially crippling decisions like going on the road when they are not ready to, etc? It's easy to do things like that when you won't get the blame, but if it becomes Bischoff's baby, then he will probably be more cautious.
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Post by Ape Boy on Oct 28, 2013 7:47:04 GMT -5
I'm actually excited by this news. I've grown almost as bored of TNA as I have WWE. So, while I hope TNA doesn't go under, the idea of new owners and potentially radical changes has got me more intrigued than I've been in a long time.
I will say this much: If Viacom ends up buying TNA, and actually invests in the company, for the first time since the death of WCW we have someone who could pose a legitimate threat to WWE. Remember, ladies, gentlemen, and trolls, Viacom is the fourth largest media corporation in the world. Their annual operating income is approximately $4,000,000,000 -- 29x that of WWE. They absolutely dwarf WWE when it comes to money, power, and exposure. If they decide they want to challenge WWE, they can make it happen, just the way Turner did.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Oct 28, 2013 8:01:32 GMT -5
Vince won't buy TNA {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Shane will!! I could totally see Shane O Mac doing this. Why? Because he has little if anything to do with the WWE. He's already quite wealthy and I'm sure that he could organize a far better group of investors. And, because he's a McMahon, it's just a natural fit. It's like the Invasion angle, except that this time, Shane actually owns something in person, instead of on TV. I would love to see this happen. I wouldn't bet on it though.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 28, 2013 8:15:02 GMT -5
Another topic I may be alone on, but here is my assessment: Bischoff is not as good as he makes himself out to be and has convinced a lot of people he is. He had a few good ideas that he worked to absolute exhaustion-and a lot of bad ones in between. His biggest success obviously was the NWO, which was a unique and innovative angle for its time. But he wasn't using stars he had made himself for it-he was relying on stars that other people had made. The NWO would not have worked without Hogan, Hall, and Nash, and without Vince and to a lesser extent Verne Gagne none of these guys would have existed. Bischoff also did not have to budget WCW out of his own pocket-everything was on Ted Turner's tab. The smartest financial decision Bischoff made was when he used Disney studios to cut production costs. If he were as good with money as people claim he would not have fallen into guaranteed salaries or blown money on celebrities no one cared about and wrecking vehicles at a time when the budget was tight. At one time Bischoff had Austin, Foley, Jericho, Triple H, Benoit, and Guerrero all under contract and did not use them to their full capability. All of them went on to the WWF and became huge stars, a few of them becoming some of the highest grossing wrestlers of all time. Bischoff didn't even have to try to secure WCW's tv deals, they were already set for him because WCW was part of the Turner empire. Bischoff gets way more credit than he is really due in my eyes.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 28, 2013 8:24:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I think TNA are more likely to be bought by a TV production company than by Bischoff or either of the McMahons, They'd instantly get a foot in the door at Viacom which could help them pitching future projects. They'll either leave Bischoff in charge, or headhunt a bunch of guys who did big things backstage in wrestling but aren't necessarily people you'd associate with the day to day running of a wrestling company like Tommy Dreamer and Lou-E-Dangerously.
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