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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Oct 31, 2013 20:21:17 GMT -5
If they were treated as big deals without this undercurrent of "we don't actually think they're that big of a deal" then they might be better draws. If you start telling your audience that so and so is a "B plus" guy, then the audience will start to believe it.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Oct 31, 2013 20:22:13 GMT -5
"PERSONAL ISSUES DRAW MONEY"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 20:29:13 GMT -5
Is it that hard for people to accept that guys like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan simply can't draw on the big stage? The numbers don't lie. Yes, because you know exactly why each and every person buy WWE PPVs. Thank you very much, Nostradamus.
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Post by CrazySting on Oct 31, 2013 20:31:56 GMT -5
I can't read people's mind but going down 100,000 buys domestic is pretty significant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 20:42:03 GMT -5
I can't read people's mind but going down 100,000 buys domestic is pretty significant. Yet John Cena and Brock Lesnar (who is supposed to be a huge draw and is earning a lot of money to be that) are absolved of any blame?
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Post by CrazySting on Oct 31, 2013 20:46:39 GMT -5
I can't read people's mind but going down 100,000 buys domestic is pretty significant. Yet John Cena and Brock Lesnar (who is supposed to be a huge draw and is earning a lot of money to be that) are absolved of any blame? But at least both have been proven to be draws in the past, and Cena still is looking at the ratings. Brock...yeah, he probably isn't worth giving another contract to.
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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Oct 31, 2013 20:48:03 GMT -5
I bought more shares today
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 31, 2013 20:49:10 GMT -5
If they were treated as big deals without this undercurrent of "we don't actually think they're that big of a deal" then they might be better draws. If you start telling your audience that so and so is a "B plus" guy, then the audience will start to believe it. Not really, considering how Punk's heel turn didn't stick with them last year, and the fact that Bryan has been staying red hot since this past Summer. The problem is that whomever in the Nielsen homes watching are more fickle.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 31, 2013 20:51:10 GMT -5
Is it that hard for people to accept that guys like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan simply can't draw on the big stage? The numbers don't lie. Well HHH was the referee and he didn't help a damn thing either so is it Bryan fault when he faced Cena the biggest draw and had HHH in there. As over Bryan is I doubt he is to blame. Numbers don't lie but look at the big picture.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 31, 2013 20:56:22 GMT -5
If it was someone the IWC wasn't high on they would be pinning the blame on that person, but since everyone loves D-Bry (myself included, don't get me wrong) everyone's eager to make excuses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 20:57:05 GMT -5
Yet John Cena and Brock Lesnar (who is supposed to be a huge draw and is earning a lot of money to be that) are absolved of any blame? But at least both have been proven to be draws in the past, and Cena still is looking at the ratings. Brock...yeah, he probably isn't worth giving another contract to. But is Cena though? Can you actually point to a PPV and say "Cena was the reason for that great buyrate"? As for ratings, it's only been a week and he was opening the Raw after a PPV with a controversial ending. I don't think it proves anything.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 31, 2013 20:57:14 GMT -5
That's what they get for putting a VEGAN in the ring with a CARNIVORE.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 31, 2013 21:10:31 GMT -5
I've been saying for months now that the problem with WWE is how they're handling this entire story.
Even though I liked Summerslam for the wrestling aspect, I thought it was terrible storytelling with the stupid finish, as well as Cena basically owning Bryan on the mic beforehand.
Can you blame people for not caring? But while Summerslam DID get me to open my wallet, the following PPVs certainly didn't and that was because the story was written like shit.
But...knowing WWE, they won't blame the story, they'll blame the talent...because they still retain that "draw" aspect of wrestling, which is a hilarious, considering the absolute top talent they have right now, and if they really wanted to, they could allow for most of these guys to look good. Instead, the #1 contender isn't worthy enough of Triple H, but we should still buy the PPV?
So now the numbers for those shit PPVs can come back and they'll have someone to pin it on. They've absolved themselves from any wrong doing. Afterall, WWE believes they gave the audience what they wanted by making Bryan a two time WWE champion, and Bryan turned around and proved he can't draw. They're now able to wash their hands of the entire thing and keep Bryan as far away from ever winning the title again.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 31, 2013 21:46:39 GMT -5
I think it might be due to the fact that everyone saw the Triple H heel turn and the cash-in coming a mile away and didn't want to see it. Hell, pretty much everything that's happened so far was spoiled on quite a few dirtsheets. As for Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena, I really wouldn't be surprised if people assume Cena's going to win.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 31, 2013 22:06:21 GMT -5
Bryan getting blamed for this would infuriate me, because I don't think it's his fault. There was no venom in that program. No anger. It should of been the specter of "18 Seconds" getting brought up, a guy who is the exact opposite of the WWE, a guy with a real, organic connection to the fans coming in gnashing his teeth to win the title against the best wrestler in the company. It should of been Bryan telling Cena he's a better wrestler than him and Cena getting pissed off about it. Cena going "Better wrestler? How many titles have I won? How many wrestlemania's have I main evented?" and being offended that Bryan is parroting points from years ago. Instead, it was Cena graciously giving his little buddy a title shot because the fans cheered him. It didn't fail because of Bryan, it failed because the story SUCKED on every possible level. Because it seemed like the exact opposite of what a good program between these guys would of been. I was loving Bryan back then and I remember telling a friend of mine I had no interest in going to the theater for the show because the match (And the involvement of Orton/HHH) didn't interest me much. "The specter of 18 seconds" is pretty much what made his character go crazy to the point that he had to through anger management and team up with Kane. Hell, kayfabe wise, it's the reason he has the big, goofy troll beard. Because he went so crazy after losing the WHC that he started comically letting himself go. How far could they have milked 18 seconds? There was nothing wrong with Cena giving Bryan a title shot. The problem was that thy made the program something it didn't need to be about. It was too awkward to hear The whole Real Wrestler vs. Sports Entertainer nonsense when Bryan spent the last year or so doing goofy comedy segments and while Cena is basically a generic white bread guy who happens to wrestle in shorts. It should've been John Cena and Daniel Bryan vs the World. Cena doing what the fans want by letting the popular hot talent get a title shot.Two solid wrestlers who want to put on the dream match for the fans, yet WWE management just won't let them. Bryan was over enough that they didn't need to make him pander to the Cena haters.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 31, 2013 22:12:09 GMT -5
If it was someone the IWC wasn't high on they would be pinning the blame on that person, but since everyone loves D-Bry (myself included, don't get me wrong) everyone's eager to make excuses. It's not really an excuse, at least I wouldn't call it that. I just think with that attitude, WWE would have died years ago, never replacing their top faces, etc. Of course you're gonna take a ratings dip/buyrate dip with a new star just getting his feet wet as one of THE GUYS, but don't pull the rug out from a guy and go back to the same guys, cause it's a process. I'd say this for Cena back when he first started main eventing too, pressing the panic button is a bad idea. Hell if you want company that's living proof that running off the same guys is a bad idea, just remember WCW.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 31, 2013 22:16:31 GMT -5
If it was someone the IWC wasn't high on they would be pinning the blame on that person, but since everyone loves D-Bry (myself included, don't get me wrong) everyone's eager to make excuses. It's not entirely beneath WWE to do the same thing and use low buy rates as an excuse to crap on someone they don't like either.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 31, 2013 22:19:19 GMT -5
Some more
Night of Champions did 92,000 domestic buys, lowest in NOC history.
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Post by BigBadZ on Oct 31, 2013 23:15:32 GMT -5
They can blame whoever they want, but in the end, it's WWE's fault. General audience doesn't look at a ppv and say "hey that's my guy, I'm buying it because he has a championship match" when it costs $55 dollars. You charge that price and then build the show around 1-2 matches, it's gonna bite you in the ass. Not to mention Lesnar's appeal is ziltch because he isn't a threat to anyone.
Like Mizerable said, I bought Summerslam and was overall happy with it. Triple H involvemnt and rest of the story in the weeks after taught me to not buy ppvs I normally don't. I only buy Royal Rumble and WrestleMania annually and I'll be sticking to it. From my point of view, it's unfair to blame a ppv's success or lack-thereof on one single person or match. Whether it's DB vs Cena, DB vs Orton, Henry vs Cena etc. This shit ain't cheap and when the storylines aren't good, people aren't going to pay to see it.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Nov 1, 2013 1:21:46 GMT -5
I wonder if WWE might take a smaller amount of contract, still a substantial increase over what they have, from NBC if they hand over the dead G4 network that they pulled out of the last second for Esquire.
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