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Post by angryfan on Nov 1, 2013 17:23:42 GMT -5
So, just to throw in numbers for comparison. D-Bry vs. Cena does 298K buys worldwide and that's disappointing because fans didn't buy into the "spectacle". Vengance 2011, which was Cena/Del Rio for the title did 130K, with 70K domestic, second lowest in history.
Del Rio is still being pushed two years later despite being the cause of such a horrid buyrate (using the panic button logic that gets tossed around so much).
December to Dismember did the worst buyrate in the history of WWF/E, 90K buys. The show featured Big Show as a main eventer, so therefore that low rating has to be his fault.
So what do we have closing in on the end of 2013? Big Show as a main eventer on FAW, and Cena and Del Rio on SD topping the card.
If those matches are on Survivor Series, I shudder to see what the buyrate will be.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Nov 1, 2013 23:57:24 GMT -5
The logic of "this kind of person doesn't draw" I think is too short-sighted. Kevin Nash didn't draw, Bret and Shawn didn't draw, hell nothing from Hogan leaving in 1992 and the Monday Night Wars drew. So by that logic, big guys who are slow and plodding, little guys who are "workratez" and guys who can both talk and work well are not draws. I have evidence to back that, I have 4 years of three "legends" tanking business far worse than Punk or Bryan has, but it doesn't mean that "guys like that" won't draw. What it means is, the market is down for wrestling right now, no one is going to draw like during the Attitude Era because the fanbase just isn't there. However, if you take a bunch of guys and show them, for a period of years, to be second tier performers, no matter who they are, they will lose steam and not draw. It's not just Bryan and Punk, toss Ryback who was green but hot as hell and they did nothing with it. Throw in pretty much anyone who wasn't "established" in or by 2005 and what's the presentation. "Oh, they're great but they're no John Cena or Triple H". Thus, the going to the well, the bringing back stars to "pop a rating" instead of, you know, saying "hey, these guys are just as good as the people you know, you should like them too". Business was in the toilet, but what if in 1995 we had Bret and Shawn on the rise but the announcers kept saying "they're great performers, but they're sure no Hulk Hogan or Ultimate Warrior, now THOSE were some stars there". WWE did the exact opposite in 1995. youtu.be/6nARLzchpNI
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 0:03:23 GMT -5
Even though we mock the execution, the WWE network having every PPV but Mania will probably be better for fans. If it was like 11 bucks a month I think a lot of people will jump on that. I think the WWE can make up the profit of those high costing PPV's with a new batch of fans paying 11 bucks a month. Assuming the WWE Network ever gets off the ground, the only incentive would be putting PPVs on this channel because as of now, it's still gonna be a paid subscription network. I can't imagine they're gonna get a couple of million subscribers to a network they charge $15/month for that has absolutely no compelling content other than stuff anyone can find on Youtube or Dailymotion or their own programming (like reality shows or their films). By the time the WWE network comes out, it might do really well. We'll be able to fly over to the club that shows it in our flying cars and watch while getting a hum from holographic hookers.
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Post by Lancers on Nov 2, 2013 10:55:51 GMT -5
We'll be able to fly over to the club that shows it in our flying cars and watch while getting a hum from holographic hookers. I bet even the holograms will somehow be infected with viruses. PASS!!!!
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 2, 2013 11:15:04 GMT -5
This, basically
WWE's booking is ass backwards. Instead of hyping new people up, they seem to marginalise them as much as possible.
Instead of HHH saying "nah, Daniel Bryan isn't a A+ player" (then booking the storyline to prove himself right), the approach should have been to paint Daniel Bryan as being as dangerous as Stone Cold Steve Austin, able to gain crowd momentum and threaten the corporate champion (who should have avoided facing DB directly until the end of the storyline, where DB would destroy him and win the title cleanly).
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Post by 543Y2J on Nov 2, 2013 12:09:14 GMT -5
Its a damn shame that my Best Event (WWE wise, if not whole of wrestling) of 2012 currently got so low. I am going to buy the DVD and hopefully others will do to. The build to Lesnar/Punk/Heyman I loved, the Bryan/Cena one though was not consistent at all. They both ended up to being two classic matches (especially Punk/Lesnar) and yet hardly anyone saw it (in comparison to other Summerslam years/using their logic)
It's like the build to SS09 for with HHH/HBK/Cena triple threat for the WWE Championship being made into a comedy where they all joked around with each other, instead of the separation of two friends (HHH and HBK) in pursuit of Cena, a worried champion who has had brutal messages sent to him by both of his opponents in the weeks before the match. Then what do they go out and do at the PPV? Have an incredible 4* match, that shows the lengths HBK, and then HHH later in the match, to get the championship and how all three of them are willing to beat the shit out of each other to hold that title. And again, as an event as a whole it was great (like SS), with Team Morrison vs Team Miz, Team Kofi vs Team Orton, Batista vs Rey and a decent Jericho/Show/Taker match. Survivor Series 09 received 235,000 pay-per-view buys, down from the previous year's event of 319,000 buys.
Fact of the matter is, if they don't care about the story for the marquee match up, why should we? No matter how good the build may be for other matches on the card (Summerslam 2012: Lesnar/Punk, Survivor Series09: Batista/Rey, Team Kofi/Team Orton) the main event is one that brings it home and truly gets the customers in. And when it is an epic event, containing classic matches, nobody will be there to see it. It's like a tree falling in the woods and nobody is around to hear or see it.
It will be damn shame if they pin this on Bryan, a damn shame. And even despite everything that I have put above it takes time and sacrifice to build new stars, it is not an overnight deal. The whole point of it is it pays off for you down the line, when he becomes your new guy of the company and sometimes buy rates etc need to be sacrificed because of that. You can't expect someone in Bryans position at that event to be the main bread winner, especially for a guy being re-interested into the main event picture.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 2, 2013 13:10:32 GMT -5
If it was someone the IWC wasn't high on they would be pinning the blame on that person, but since everyone loves D-Bry (myself included, don't get me wrong) everyone's eager to make excuses. It's not really an excuse, at least I wouldn't call it that. I just think with that attitude, WWE would have died years ago, never replacing their top faces, etc. Of course you're gonna take a ratings dip/buyrate dip with a new star just getting his feet wet as one of THE GUYS, but don't pull the rug out from a guy and go back to the same guys, cause it's a process. I'd say this for Cena back when he first started main eventing too, pressing the panic button is a bad idea. Hell if you want company that's living proof that running off the same guys is a bad idea, just remember WCW. When it's someone the IWC likes who fails to draw big numbers, it's "you're gonna take a ratings dip/buyrate drop with a new start just getting his feet wet." If it had been someone the smarks aren't crazy over in the same angle -- say Miz -- it would be "they're shoving him down our throats." The people who make the difference between an average/below average buyrate and a big buyrate are the casuals. That extra 100,000 domestic buys isn't the hardcore base -- those are the people most invested in someone like Bryan. It's the fence-sitters. They want to see stars. To them, WWE is shoving Bryan down their throats trying to make him a big deal that they don't see him as.
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