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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 2, 2013 12:18:55 GMT -5
I've seen comments similar to this thrown around in the last week or so since Hell In A Cell and Bryan moving on for now to feud with The Wyatt Family... and I just feel like I'm missing something in translation. Now, I'm not great with making my points in long posts and it's 4 in the morning here, so apologies if it's a little rambly. For full transparency, I'm not a regular watcher of the shows at this point, and I'm making these points based on what I observe here, so correct me if I'm wrong on some details. The key point is this... Triple H is actively sabotaging the guy, yes? So how the hell does that make Bryan look weak and prove Triple H right? - Orton has not beaten Bryan clean once in this whole feud (hell, not even back when he was still face) and only won because of interference... so by all rights, that makes HIM look weak for not being able to get the job done without breaking rules. Bryan, to be fair, probably should have expected some kind of interference in the Hell In A Cell match and prepared accordingly, but EVERY face fails to do that, so why single him out? And I highly doubt he was expecting it from Michaels.
- We don't even have the "He's being jobbed out" reason to fall back on, since Bryan actually hasn't lost a match clean in months. He's one of the most protected guys in the company these days.
- I don't really buy the Big Show involvement as something that's damaged him. If it was the run-ins, then I feel that it calls into question every "Big damn hero" moment in the history of wrestling for making someone else look weak. Did Mick Foley look weaker than The Rock because he won the title on the back of Steve Austin's chair shot? Did The Rock look weak because he couldn't overcome the McMahon-Helmsley faction at Backlash 2000 without Austin's help (Sorry to keep using Austin as an example, but he did this kind of thing a lot)? If it was the "Big Show being broke" stuff and Big Show getting the first attack on Triple H... well, I can understand that not being a story people wanted to see (let alone made logical sense), but Big Show probably had just much as reason to get the first shot as Bryan did, if not more (Triple H just doesn't want Bryan to be champion... on the other hand, Triple H was blackmailing Big Show into doing his and Stephanie's dirty work just to keep his job in a precarious financial situation).
- If there's anything letting Bryan down, it's probably the commentary not putting him over as strongly as they could be. Lawler's probably still making the goat jokes and it seems that all 3 of them at the booth are too busy with various nonsense like Twitter, arguing and shiny objects to really say the right things to put him over.
I'm assuming that the underlying factor of all this is the assumption that everything Triple H says on-screen is a shoot and that he really DOES think Bryan is a "B+ player" and he really IS trying to sabotage him for some reason. I think the saving thing for all that is, for now, he actually IS the heel. Traditionally, that means he's supposed to be wrong and we're not supposed to believe his word... yet so many do here, because if Triple H says it, it must be true. There's a lot of things that could have been done better in this storyline, but I just don't see how it makes Bryan look bad when circumstances out of his control are working against him being the rightful champion. I'm probably going to get raked over the coals for so many reasons (being naive, "JUST WAIT AND SEE, YOU GUYS" and all that), but I'm open to criticism. I just feel like so many have been swept up in booking hysteria that I needed to get it off my chest.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Nov 2, 2013 12:23:33 GMT -5
Might as well get used to 30 more years of this Triple H as the heel boss who never gets his real comeuppance shit.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 2, 2013 12:28:59 GMT -5
Orton hasn't beaten him cleanly, and Big Show COULD just be a bit player. All of this is very true.
He's "not Stone Cold or The Rock or Triple H"...the only way he can "prove" he's an "A player" is to beat those guys, not the ratings vacuum that is Randy Orton.
Austin's not coming back, The Rock might but only for a "top guy" which Bryan can't be until he beats one of them so it's a chicken or the egg thing, which leaves Triple H.
That means, for Bryan to prove himself, it has NOTHING to do with the title. Let Big Show get the title shot, yes it will tell the casual fans and kids that Trips was right since Big Show went in and saved the day, but Bryan can still come out gold if he kicks the hell out of Trips and makes him tap.
I'm not tlkaing WrestleMania XX ending, I'm talking I Quit match levels of a beating, with blood.
THAT will make Bryan an A player. He didn't just beat one of the Attitude Era stars, he demolished them.
Basically, Trips needs to be for D-Bry what Foley was for Edge and, ironically, for Triple H.
He needs to bleed, and he needs to be, in essence, destroyed.
Foley kept his overness despite, or perhaps because, of the lengths he went to to put those guys over. Triple H HAS to do the same.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Nov 2, 2013 14:40:06 GMT -5
I've seen comments similar to this thrown around in the last week or so since Hell In A Cell and Bryan moving on for now to feud with The Wyatt Family... and I just feel like I'm missing something in translation. Now, I'm not great with making my points in long posts and it's 4 in the morning here, so apologies if it's a little rambly. For full transparency, I'm not a regular watcher of the shows at this point, and I'm making these points based on what I observe here, so correct me if I'm wrong on some details. The key point is this... Triple H is actively sabotaging the guy, yes? So how the hell does that make Bryan look weak and prove Triple H right? - Orton has not beaten Bryan clean once in this whole feud (hell, not even back when he was still face) and only won because of interference... so by all rights, that makes HIM look weak for not being able to get the job done without breaking rules. Bryan, to be fair, probably should have expected some kind of interference in the Hell In A Cell match and prepared accordingly, but EVERY face fails to do that, so why single him out? And I highly doubt he was expecting it from Michaels.
- We don't even have the "He's being jobbed out" reason to fall back on, since Bryan actually hasn't lost a match clean in months. He's one of the most protected guys in the company these days.
- I don't really buy the Big Show involvement as something that's damaged him. If it was the run-ins, then I feel that it calls into question every "Big damn hero" moment in the history of wrestling for making someone else look weak. Did Mick Foley look weaker than The Rock because he won the title on the back of Steve Austin's chair shot? Did The Rock look weak because he couldn't overcome the McMahon-Helmsley faction at Backlash 2000 without Austin's help (Sorry to keep using Austin as an example, but he did this kind of thing a lot)? If it was the "Big Show being broke" stuff and Big Show getting the first attack on Triple H... well, I can understand that not being a story people wanted to see (let alone made logical sense), but Big Show probably had just much as reason to get the first shot as Bryan did, if not more (Triple H just doesn't want Bryan to be champion... on the other hand, Triple H was blackmailing Big Show into doing his and Stephanie's dirty work just to keep his job in a precarious financial situation).
- If there's anything letting Bryan down, it's probably the commentary not putting him over as strongly as they could be. Lawler's probably still making the goat jokes and it seems that all 3 of them at the booth are too busy with various nonsense like Twitter, arguing and shiny objects to really say the right things to put him over.
I'm assuming that the underlying factor of all this is the assumption that everything Triple H says on-screen is a shoot and that he really DOES think Bryan is a "B+ player" and he really IS trying to sabotage him for some reason. I think the saving thing for all that is, for now, he actually IS the heel. Traditionally, that means he's supposed to be wrong and we're not supposed to believe his word... yet so many do here, because if Triple H says it, it must be true. There's a lot of things that could have been done better in this storyline, but I just don't see how it makes Bryan look bad when circumstances out of his control are working against him being the rightful champion. I'm probably going to get raked over the coals for so many reasons (being naive, "JUST WAIT AND SEE, YOU GUYS" and all that), but I'm open to criticism. I just feel like so many have been swept up in booking hysteria that I needed to get it off my chest. Thank you for describing exactly how I feel. Seeing everyone shouting that Bryan looks weak because of this feud is just silly to me, for all of the reasons you described. He's been winning clean for months and months now, and the only times he's lost is because of screwjobs and dusty finishes. That's literally it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 2, 2013 16:24:33 GMT -5
I've seen comments similar to this thrown around in the last week or so since Hell In A Cell and Bryan moving on for now to feud with The Wyatt Family... and I just feel like I'm missing something in translation. Now, I'm not great with making my points in long posts and it's 4 in the morning here, so apologies if it's a little rambly. For full transparency, I'm not a regular watcher of the shows at this point, and I'm making these points based on what I observe here, so correct me if I'm wrong on some details. The key point is this... Triple H is actively sabotaging the guy, yes? So how the hell does that make Bryan look weak and prove Triple H right? - Orton has not beaten Bryan clean once in this whole feud (hell, not even back when he was still face) and only won because of interference... so by all rights, that makes HIM look weak for not being able to get the job done without breaking rules. Bryan, to be fair, probably should have expected some kind of interference in the Hell In A Cell match and prepared accordingly, but EVERY face fails to do that, so why single him out? And I highly doubt he was expecting it from Michaels.
- We don't even have the "He's being jobbed out" reason to fall back on, since Bryan actually hasn't lost a match clean in months. He's one of the most protected guys in the company these days.
- I don't really buy the Big Show involvement as something that's damaged him. If it was the run-ins, then I feel that it calls into question every "Big damn hero" moment in the history of wrestling for making someone else look weak. Did Mick Foley look weaker than The Rock because he won the title on the back of Steve Austin's chair shot? Did The Rock look weak because he couldn't overcome the McMahon-Helmsley faction at Backlash 2000 without Austin's help (Sorry to keep using Austin as an example, but he did this kind of thing a lot)? If it was the "Big Show being broke" stuff and Big Show getting the first attack on Triple H... well, I can understand that not being a story people wanted to see (let alone made logical sense), but Big Show probably had just much as reason to get the first shot as Bryan did, if not more (Triple H just doesn't want Bryan to be champion... on the other hand, Triple H was blackmailing Big Show into doing his and Stephanie's dirty work just to keep his job in a precarious financial situation).
- If there's anything letting Bryan down, it's probably the commentary not putting him over as strongly as they could be. Lawler's probably still making the goat jokes and it seems that all 3 of them at the booth are too busy with various nonsense like Twitter, arguing and shiny objects to really say the right things to put him over.
I'm assuming that the underlying factor of all this is the assumption that everything Triple H says on-screen is a shoot and that he really DOES think Bryan is a "B+ player" and he really IS trying to sabotage him for some reason. I think the saving thing for all that is, for now, he actually IS the heel. Traditionally, that means he's supposed to be wrong and we're not supposed to believe his word... yet so many do here, because if Triple H says it, it must be true. There's a lot of things that could have been done better in this storyline, but I just don't see how it makes Bryan look bad when circumstances out of his control are working against him being the rightful champion. I'm probably going to get raked over the coals for so many reasons (being naive, "JUST WAIT AND SEE, YOU GUYS" and all that), but I'm open to criticism. I just feel like so many have been swept up in booking hysteria that I needed to get it off my chest. To add another Austin example: Think about how long it took for him to overcome Vince and the Corporation. He spent fall 1998 getting screwed over as Vince was building the Corporation around him. Then came 1999, where he was screwed at the Royal Rumble, only to work to get his WrestleMania shot at Rocky by beating Vince's ass at St. Valentines Day Massacre. Then he wins it. From September 98 to March 99, Stone Cold spent six months chasing the gold, and had to face Vince constantly stacking the deck against him. Bringing it back to Bryan, he's had to face consecutive months of getting screwed over, much like Austin did in fall 1998. And now, he's feuding with the Wyatts, which is sort of akin to Stone Cold briefly having to fight Undertaker for the later part of 1998. At that point, we had Mick Foley chasing the WWF title held by The Rock, sort of like how Big Show is now apparently going after the WWE Title. Basically, my point is that these things take time. You can interpret this as me saying "Wait & See", but I'm not about to stop following the angle just because my favorite lost.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 16:28:54 GMT -5
I think you guys are missing the point that Bryan winning matches clean is underemphasized and swept under the rug by the angle, and that Bryan is portrayed as being able to win a wrestling match but not able to outsmart/thwart the corporate machinations, something Austin was able to do until that fall in 98 when it all caught up to him.
Basically, they fast forwarded to Austin's fall 98 without giving him the spring/summer first.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 16:38:09 GMT -5
I just read this on the dirtsheets.
Overall it's very upsetting. They could have ended it perfectly if Bryan at least lost the belt through trickery and then beat Triple H in a match. Bryan received nothing from this. After being humiliated constantly week after week he wins but then he's screwed again. It's as if it's the joke all along. I can understand that they don't want him to get over the Authority but at the same time there are ways to go about doing it. Overall the babyface is proven wrong and everything was lined up for Bryan. They didn't capitalize. Hopefully they can somehow keep Bryan in the talks until WM season. If they bring him out of the angle and bring him back in it won't do anyone any good.
It's not about how strong he looks because Bryan appears to be very strong. It's mostly about the heels always getting over on him. Like I said this will be addressed later on. I just hope they keep it fresh in everyone's mind so it'll allow for a greater story.
In a way this feels similar to Booker T/Triple H match at WM years ago without the racial boundaries surrounding it. Didn't do a damn thing for Booker. Hasn't done a damn thing for Bryan.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 2, 2013 17:03:44 GMT -5
Not shocked if true. Grain of salt and all that, usual disclaimers.
Just curious to see if Trips/Show is going to do anything, since it never has the three or four times they've feuded in the last, oh, 13 years.
I'll just reinstate my prediction that by January we'll see Trips/Vince (with proxies Kane and Big Show) and Orton/Cena in a title vs. title "dream match".
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 2, 2013 17:05:27 GMT -5
This is a weird storyline. Logically most of it actually does make sense, but it is leading to a bunch of outcomes that I can't imagine anyone finding desirable. I mean, I think we all know where the upcoming Orton/Show feud is going, namely the now heel corporate Kane screwing Big Show to set up Big Show/Kane part 293,848.
The problem I have had with this entire storyline is that there is literally no way for Bryan to prove HHH wrong. If he loses (which he has), then HHH is right. Bryan is a B+ player and not a main eventer. If he wins the title, then it's likely given HHH's comments that Bryan won't get over and won't be a draw, thus HHH is still right. HHH is doing meta criticisms here. Unless Bryan somehow became 1985 Hogan or 1998 Austin, he can't really prove HHH wrong, yet the company clearly isn't behind him so there's no way for it to happen. Yes, Vince was against Austin in 1998 as well, but Vince never denigrated Austin as a wrestler or felt that he was an inferior talent, just that he was a terrible role model and a foul mouthed redneck.
From a booking standpoint, it was obvious that Bryan was jobbing because there's nowhere to go with him as champ. Orton is the only top heel on the show, so who else would he wrestle? Ryback? He's been buried. Orton as champ at least gives them various feuds, such as Big Show, Punk, and possibly a unification with Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 17:23:15 GMT -5
I am so beyond done with that angle that it's not even funny. I should give the E some sort of medal for finding a way to kill my interest in one of my favorites despite him being over as all hell. It's really quite impressive.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 2, 2013 17:43:47 GMT -5
I've seen comments similar to this thrown around in the last week or so since Hell In A Cell and Bryan moving on for now to feud with The Wyatt Family... and I just feel like I'm missing something in translation. Now, I'm not great with making my points in long posts and it's 4 in the morning here, so apologies if it's a little rambly. For full transparency, I'm not a regular watcher of the shows at this point, and I'm making these points based on what I observe here, so correct me if I'm wrong on some details. The key point is this... Triple H is actively sabotaging the guy, yes? So how the hell does that make Bryan look weak and prove Triple H right? - Orton has not beaten Bryan clean once in this whole feud (hell, not even back when he was still face) and only won because of interference... so by all rights, that makes HIM look weak for not being able to get the job done without breaking rules. Bryan, to be fair, probably should have expected some kind of interference in the Hell In A Cell match and prepared accordingly, but EVERY face fails to do that, so why single him out? And I highly doubt he was expecting it from Michaels.
- We don't even have the "He's being jobbed out" reason to fall back on, since Bryan actually hasn't lost a match clean in months. He's one of the most protected guys in the company these days.
- I don't really buy the Big Show involvement as something that's damaged him. If it was the run-ins, then I feel that it calls into question every "Big damn hero" moment in the history of wrestling for making someone else look weak. Did Mick Foley look weaker than The Rock because he won the title on the back of Steve Austin's chair shot? Did The Rock look weak because he couldn't overcome the McMahon-Helmsley faction at Backlash 2000 without Austin's help (Sorry to keep using Austin as an example, but he did this kind of thing a lot)? If it was the "Big Show being broke" stuff and Big Show getting the first attack on Triple H... well, I can understand that not being a story people wanted to see (let alone made logical sense), but Big Show probably had just much as reason to get the first shot as Bryan did, if not more (Triple H just doesn't want Bryan to be champion... on the other hand, Triple H was blackmailing Big Show into doing his and Stephanie's dirty work just to keep his job in a precarious financial situation).
- If there's anything letting Bryan down, it's probably the commentary not putting him over as strongly as they could be. Lawler's probably still making the goat jokes and it seems that all 3 of them at the booth are too busy with various nonsense like Twitter, arguing and shiny objects to really say the right things to put him over.
I'm assuming that the underlying factor of all this is the assumption that everything Triple H says on-screen is a shoot and that he really DOES think Bryan is a "B+ player" and he really IS trying to sabotage him for some reason. I think the saving thing for all that is, for now, he actually IS the heel. Traditionally, that means he's supposed to be wrong and we're not supposed to believe his word... yet so many do here, because if Triple H says it, it must be true. There's a lot of things that could have been done better in this storyline, but I just don't see how it makes Bryan look bad when circumstances out of his control are working against him being the rightful champion. I'm probably going to get raked over the coals for so many reasons (being naive, "JUST WAIT AND SEE, YOU GUYS" and all that), but I'm open to criticism. I just feel like so many have been swept up in booking hysteria that I needed to get it off my chest. This makes entirely too much sense.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 2, 2013 17:47:21 GMT -5
I am so beyond done with that angle that it's not even funny. I should give the E some sort of medal for finding a way to kill my interest in one of my favorites despite him being over as all hell. It's really quite impressive. It's become their specialty. Booker T losing at WrestleMania 19 started a crappy trend that continues to this day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 17:58:27 GMT -5
More on this whole "it's like Austin!" thing.
Austin was deemed too dangerous for the machine and they fought to get the title away from him to keep control.
Bryan was deemed too small and not marketable enough and would tank the company's business.
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.....
UUUUUUUUUUUGE difference there.
You don't get a guy over by questioning his marketability. It is literally the LAST thing they should've done. It started before Summerslam and it got worse and worse.
I'm not crapping on optimism here, and the OP has plenty of logic to it. I'm just defending my point of view, becuase I feel like it's being unfairly railroaded by "you're just mad your favorite lost" or "you're impatient" or "you just have that HHHate-itis".
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 2, 2013 18:02:46 GMT -5
Ok, so almost all of us agree Bryan is booked insanely strong. That's obvious. However, to address the "Bryan needs to outwit most of the Authority's machinations to stay credible with fans" theory...no, no he doesn't.
Because when I try to look at it from the perspective of the youngest, most naive mark, I don't see someone that can't get the job done, I see someone that is very much getting the job done but still being denied his just reward by the powers that be. He comes off more "scrappy" than he does ineffective. A much better example of a main eventer being undercut would be Rey Mysterio as WHC in 2006, where not only was he periodically beat down and bullied, but also couldn't buy a clean win.
And even from a more cynical outlook, Bryan is light years away from a Sting-level of dumbness. They've at least written the heels in this story well enough to not telegraph their incoming betrayals. Also, Bryan's gotten to rough up every villain in this story so far barring Steph.
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Post by Chip on Nov 2, 2013 18:05:29 GMT -5
The storyline has just been really unsatisfying, every time there's been an opportunity for something awesome to happen and I'm speaking personally it's been ruined by interference and shitty finishes. I just want a moment where I can be happy that Bryan won the title or his big match and not refuse to let myself celebrate because I know something f***y is about to happen.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 2, 2013 18:14:22 GMT -5
This is a weird storyline. Logically most of it actually does make sense, but it is leading to a bunch of outcomes that I can't imagine anyone finding desirable. I mean, I think we all know where the upcoming Orton/Show feud is going, namely the now heel corporate Kane screwing Big Show to set up Big Show/Kane part 293,848. The problem I have had with this entire storyline is that there is literally no way for Bryan to prove HHH wrong. If he loses (which he has), then HHH is right. Bryan is a B+ player and not a main eventer. If he wins the title, then it's likely given HHH's comments that Bryan won't get over and won't be a draw, thus HHH is still right. HHH is doing meta criticisms here. Unless Bryan somehow became 1985 Hogan or 1998 Austin, he can't really prove HHH wrong, yet the company clearly isn't behind him so there's no way for it to happen. Yes, Vince was against Austin in 1998 as well, but Vince never denigrated Austin as a wrestler or felt that he was an inferior talent, just that he was a terrible role model and a foul mouthed redneck. From a booking standpoint, it was obvious that Bryan was jobbing because there's nowhere to go with him as champ. Orton is the only top heel on the show, so who else would he wrestle? Ryback? He's been buried. Orton as champ at least gives them various feuds, such as Big Show, Punk, and possibly a unification with Cena. you're supposed to think the heel is full of shit. You're not supposed to believe him. People always believe the heels, but they're not supposed to. A guy like Flair says something like "women want me and men want to be me" and maybe it seems true, but none of the important women want him, none of the important guys want to be him. Precious and Miss Elizabeth didn't ditch their guys for him. The only thing the faces he wrestled want was his title. To watch the results of this feud and believe the Authority that Orton is somehow better than Bryan is to buy into their propaganda
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 2, 2013 18:15:40 GMT -5
More on this whole "it's like Austin!" thing. Austin was deemed too dangerous for the machine and they fought to get the title away from him to keep control. Bryan was deemed too small and not marketable enough and would tank the company's business. HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..... UUUUUUUUUUUGE difference there. You don't get a guy over by questioning his marketability. It is literally the LAST thing they should've done. It started before Summerslam and it got worse and worse. To be fair, given that we're in an era where fan loyalties and demographics are split to where no one is going to get 100% universal support, the 'questioning his marketability" aspect is probably a lot less risky nowadays. Even with crowds doing Yes point en masse, it's hard to imagine Bryan ever being able to completely assimilate Cena's demo and essentially "replace" him while keeping his old fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 18:21:24 GMT -5
More on this whole "it's like Austin!" thing. Austin was deemed too dangerous for the machine and they fought to get the title away from him to keep control.
Bryan was deemed too small and not marketable enough and would tank the company's business.
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..... UUUUUUUUUUUGE difference there. You don't get a guy over by questioning his marketability. It is literally the LAST thing they should've done. It started before Summerslam and it got worse and worse. I'm not crapping on optimism here, and the OP has plenty of logic to it. I'm just defending my point of view, becuase I feel like it's being unfairly railroaded by "you're just mad your favorite lost" or "you're impatient" or "you just have that HHHate-itis". I don't understand why people are speaking around that point, considering Hunner's criticisms are the main things this feud was about. I don't think you should argue a point about how the feud makes sense without directly addressing this. Now had someone said, "Of course DBD's marketable! People love him!" (which is a point Hunner actually addressed when he turned heel) then went from there, I might get it. It's just like the bullshit Hunner said about Dolph Ziggler. How exactly is Ziggler going to get any face heat when Hunner's criticisms have nothing to do with winning or losing matches? Here we have the same point; Hunner's criticisms doesn't have to do with DBD winning or losing matches. Thus leading to me believing Hunner doesn't know how to really do a heel promo without being pathetic and selfish in a way that does nobody any good. The only way DBD can really have a prayer is if he kicks the shit out of Hunner decisively. That's not going to happen. It's kind of a waste.
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Post by sportatorium on Nov 2, 2013 18:21:35 GMT -5
I just read this on the dirtsheets. Overall it's very upsetting. They could have ended it perfectly if Bryan at least lost the belt through trickery and then beat Triple H in a match. Bryan received nothing from this. After being humiliated constantly week after week he wins but then he's screwed again. It's as if it's the joke all along. I can understand that they don't want him to get over the Authority but at the same time there are ways to go about doing it. Overall the babyface is proven wrong and everything was lined up for Bryan. They didn't capitalize. Hopefully they can somehow keep Bryan in the talks until WM season. If they bring him out of the angle and bring him back in it won't do anyone any good. It's not about how strong he looks because Bryan appears to be very strong. It's mostly about the heels always getting over on him. Like I said this will be addressed later on. I just hope they keep it fresh in everyone's mind so it'll allow for a greater story. In a way this feels similar to Booker T/Triple H match at WM years ago without the racial boundaries surrounding it. Didn't do a damn thing for Booker. Hasn't done a damn thing for Bryan. Wow- I really hope that report is inaccurate. Having him "lose" the feud when the audience is that much behind him is really a bad move. Big Show has gotten more out of this than I ever thought possible, but he & Randy still have to get in the ring & provide an outcome for people putting down $ for a PPV. Mind numbing.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Nov 2, 2013 18:46:02 GMT -5
I just read this on the dirtsheets. Overall it's very upsetting. They could have ended it perfectly if Bryan at least lost the belt through trickery and then beat Triple H in a match. Bryan received nothing from this. After being humiliated constantly week after week he wins but then he's screwed again. It's as if it's the joke all along. I can understand that they don't want him to get over the Authority but at the same time there are ways to go about doing it. Overall the babyface is proven wrong and everything was lined up for Bryan. They didn't capitalize. Hopefully they can somehow keep Bryan in the talks until WM season. If they bring him out of the angle and bring him back in it won't do anyone any good. It's not about how strong he looks because Bryan appears to be very strong. It's mostly about the heels always getting over on him. Like I said this will be addressed later on. I just hope they keep it fresh in everyone's mind so it'll allow for a greater story. In a way this feels similar to Booker T/Triple H match at WM years ago without the racial boundaries surrounding it. Didn't do a damn thing for Booker. Hasn't done a damn thing for Bryan. Wow- I really hope that report is inaccurate. Having him "lose" the feud when the audience is that much behind him is really a bad move. Big Show has gotten more out of this than I ever thought possible, but he & Randy still have to get in the ring & provide an outcome for people putting down $ for a PPV. Mind numbing. It doesn't say he'll lose the feud against the Wyatts. Given how this is set up, it would make sense for the Wyatts to beat Punk/Bryan for a month. There's some good point counterpoint discussion going on here. I think fans just look for different things to grasp at when defending their guy. Some care more about their guy being booked strong, even if it involves losing, others just want their guy to win. Think about RVD/Cena from One Night Stand. Edge won the match for RVD, and did the crowd care one bit? Hell no! They were chanting thank you Edge the second he revealed himself. They didn't care he wasn't booked that strong, their guy WON. I'm mostly the same way. I'm less concerned with how strongly a guy is booked and care more about him just winning the important matches. Bryan's story was great up until the Monday after Summerslam. Ever since then he's looked like a mindless monster. Beating up guys left and right, but oblivious to traps and getting outsmarted at every turn.
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