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Post by xCompackx on Nov 3, 2013 0:07:00 GMT -5
WWE's toy deal with Mattel that apparently prohibits blood, choking, male on female violence, and demands that their shows stay PG or under; had more of an impact on WWE's content than going public. That and the Benoit murders/suicide. I'd say this, plus Linda's Senate runs. When you have so many limits on what you can do creatively, it is pretty amazing that they're able to write a weekly block of TV. |
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Post by Perd on Nov 3, 2013 0:43:39 GMT -5
Judging by the old Diva Playboy spreads not many of them go pubic.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 3, 2013 2:03:38 GMT -5
Better thread would be what if Benoit had just killed himself and not murdered his family. I don't think that would have changed any of the Benoit backlash if he didn't murder his family, honestly. Whether Benoit murdered his family or just committed suicide himself, there would be the same microscope put on the WWE just because of the event, and WWE probably would have gotten the same amount of scrutiny in the media both ways. Hell, considering how the media was so quick to blame ROID RAGE! for the Benoit murders and considering the media reactions in 2007 throughout all of sports, I honestly think that the WWE would have been put under the same microscope by the media even if Chris Benoit died of natural causes- in 2007, the media just wanted to make steroids sports' boogeyman so badly so they'd have an excuse to say "Steroids are killing athletes and no real athlete would ever use a PED and it's all spitting in the face of sports and BUT...I...WANNA! have Hank Aaron keep the home run record!" - and during the Signature Pharmacy scandal with all of the WWE wrestlers getting the finger pointed at them during the same time as the scandal was targetting baseball, it seems very likely anyway. |
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Post by disorganisedchaos v:2 on Nov 3, 2013 4:02:27 GMT -5
Less shareholder memes.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 3, 2013 8:30:54 GMT -5
Vince used to be able to do whatever he wanted, he could take risks and change direction quickly if necessary.
The only people he had to answer to were us fans so we were the main priority, although naturally thy wanted to make as much money from us as possible.
Now the first responsibility is to shareholders and corporate partners, that means fewer risks, fewer drastic short-term changes and a greater emphasis on steady growth and stability.
On the more positive side the increased amount of money makes the company much more secure and not in any serious risk of going out of business any time soon. The long-term thinking gives us things like the new and improved performance centre.
Er...I'll skip the rest of the essay and conclude by saying that the on-screen product has lost that edginess, that unpredictable nature and the feeling you get when they manage to capture lightening in a bottle and run with something unexpected.
However you don't get the negatives that come along with that style of booking be that Mae Young giving birth to a hand or King Mabel, the general quality of the wrestling is arguably better and in theory should continue to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 8:35:47 GMT -5
Everyone always says the product changed after benoit, but I disagree. The only thing that changed was the Vince death storyline. It's not like they were doing super raunchy programming nor were there segments like the HLA and other demeaning women segments. The blood thing with pg came with Lindas run in politics not Benoit. I disagree because WWE started taking Wellness really seriously after Benoit and the concerns for concussions. In fact all 4 major sports started to take concussion awareness very seriously. Plus there is a lot more accountability for shady business practices for a public company rather then a private company. Look at TNA as a comparison and there shady business practices compared to the WWE. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 9:06:47 GMT -5
Everyone always says the product changed after benoit, but I disagree. The only thing that changed was the Vince death storyline. It's not like they were doing super raunchy programming nor were there segments like the HLA and other demeaning women segments. The blood thing with pg came with Lindas run in politics not Benoit. I disagree because WWE started taking Wellness really seriously after Benoit and the concerns for concussions. In fact all 4 major sports started to take concussion awareness very seriously. Plus there is a lot more accountability for shady business practices for a public company rather then a private company. Look at TNA as a comparison and there shady business practices compared to the WWE. Yeah Benoit's death, remarkably, was a great thing for wrestling. I don't know how much they've ramped up wellness or not, but the concussion awareness is clearly evident. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 3, 2013 9:16:28 GMT -5
Pros: A lot more money for executives and the overall company.
Cons: A lot less freedom to take risks creatively, financially, and image wise.
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Post by Juice on Nov 3, 2013 9:34:16 GMT -5
Everyone always says the product changed after benoit, but I disagree. The only thing that changed was the Vince death storyline. It's not like they were doing super raunchy programming nor were there segments like the HLA and other demeaning women segments. The blood thing with pg came with Lindas run in politics not Benoit. I disagree because WWE started taking Wellness really seriously after Benoit and the concerns for concussions. In fact all 4 major sports started to take concussion awareness very seriously. Plus there is a lot more accountability for shady business practices for a public company rather then a private company. Look at TNA as a comparison and there shady business practices compared to the WWE. That's a lot different than on screen product and Benoit wasn't the first concuss athlete to go nuts like that. There's plenty of documented cases of former athletes with dementia that ended in untimely deaths. benoit was just the icing n the cake. And I really believe if not for Chris Nowinsky and his concussion research benoit wouldn't even have been that big of a deal either. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 12:38:05 GMT -5
I disagree because WWE started taking Wellness really seriously after Benoit and the concerns for concussions. In fact all 4 major sports started to take concussion awareness very seriously. Plus there is a lot more accountability for shady business practices for a public company rather then a private company. Look at TNA as a comparison and there shady business practices compared to the WWE. That's a lot different than on screen product and Benoit wasn't the first concuss athlete to go nuts like that. There's plenty of documented cases of former athletes with dementia that ended in untimely deaths. benoit was just the icing n the cake. And I really believe if not for Chris Nowinsky and his concussion research benoit wouldn't even have been that big of a deal either. It wasn't but shortly after NFL and the NHL started making rules against helmet to helmet hits or head shots and started enforcing suspensions and pulling anyone suspected with a concussion and can only come back if they pass the impact test. I remember reading all four leagues approached Nowinsky after and former athletes donating their brains to his clinic for research whenever they die. |
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Post by Juice on Nov 3, 2013 12:44:25 GMT -5
That's a lot different than on screen product and Benoit wasn't the first concuss athlete to go nuts like that. There's plenty of documented cases of former athletes with dementia that ended in untimely deaths. benoit was just the icing n the cake. And I really believe if not for Chris Nowinsky and his concussion research benoit wouldn't even have been that big of a deal either. It wasn't but shortly after NFL and the NHL started making rules against helmet to helmet hits or head shots and started enforcing suspensions and pulling anyone suspected with a concussion and can only come back if they pass the impact test. I remember reading all four leagues approached Nowinsky after and former athletes donating their brains to his clinic for research whenever they die. IM not arguing this point at all I agree with it even, but this research was already underway. He was just thelast straw. What this discussion is about and the on screen product that was not different and did not undergo any major changes because of Benoit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 13:34:28 GMT -5
It wasn't but shortly after NFL and the NHL started making rules against helmet to helmet hits or head shots and started enforcing suspensions and pulling anyone suspected with a concussion and can only come back if they pass the impact test. I remember reading all four leagues approached Nowinsky after and former athletes donating their brains to his clinic for research whenever they die. IM not arguing this point at all I agree with it even, but this research was already underway. He was just thelast straw. What this discussion is about and the on screen product that was not different and did not undergo any major changes because of Benoit. Gotcha |
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 3, 2013 14:07:15 GMT -5
There'd be no real change.
IIRC, very little of the stock is actually up for the public, with the vast majority held by the McMahons. They're less beholden to the stock market than they are their advertisers and Linda's political aspirations.
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 3, 2013 18:50:42 GMT -5
There'd be no real change. IIRC, very little of the stock is actually up for the public, with the vast majority held by the McMahons. They're less beholden to the stock market than they are their advertisers and Linda's political aspirations. Kinda makes me wonder if Mama McMahon would have went for the U.S. Senate championship if they never went public?? |
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 3, 2013 22:29:08 GMT -5
Everyone always says the product changed after benoit, but I disagree. The only thing that changed was the Vince death storyline. It's not like they were doing super raunchy programming nor were there segments like the HLA and other demeaning women segments. The blood thing with pg came with Lindas run in politics not Benoit. I disagree because WWE started taking Wellness really seriously after Benoit and the concerns for concussions. In fact all 4 major sports started to take concussion awareness very seriously. Plus there is a lot more accountability for shady business practices for a public company rather then a private company. Look at TNA as a comparison and there shady business practices compared to the WWE. Being fair, both of those could be argued as not having as much to do with Benoit as you would think: -WWE was ahead of the curve on the concussion game before the major pro sports were. In 2007, the NFL took people like Andre Waters's suicide as an unnecessary elephant in the room and never mentioned concussion troubles, while Nowinski's institute was showing that there was a problem with them. By contrast, WWE had been showing "Yes, concussions are bad news" in their own way in 2007 before Benoit's suicide with the way the WWE sold Randy Orton's Punt as able to cause wrestlers to get concussions- and as a result not just being an Instant Death finisher, but "If Orton hits the Punt on you, you're going to be gone for a LONG time" move. So, WWE was already on top of concussion research with Nowinski's institute, they just didn't get to do a lot about the move. -As far as the Wellness issue, as I said earlier- the issue wasn't the Wellness Policy being bigger for Benoit particularly. The WWE kept going with the same things they had done with the Wellness Policy after Benoit's death originally happened. The REAL smoking gun that changed the Wellness Policy was the Signature Pharmacy scandal that was going on in regular sports at the time, when Benoit, Eddie, Brian Adams [all three deceased], and a number of big, highly pushed names in the WWE [Rey, Orton, ECW Champ Morrison, Umaga, and Mr.Kennedy after literally EVERYONE knew he was the payoff for the Vince's Son angle as the biggest names] showed up on the Signature list and put WWE on the spot. That, not the Benoit murders, was the direct cause for WWE to start the "Anyone who gets a Wellness violation will be disclosed on the WWE website" rule, which was the thing that started making WWE more accountable for their policy. |
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