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Post by angryfan on Nov 3, 2013 15:30:13 GMT -5
No one. Everyone should go for at least a couple months or something. This. Even Bryan freaking Danielson spent some time in developmental to get used to the style and get rid of ring rust. If I'm WWE, I want everyone to know how to work "my style" of match. However, if I'm a professional wrestler who has worked in multiple counties, have worked televised matches with a hard camera, and have drawn money, the idea that I now am treated like a kid who's never had a match before, I would be insulted. You don't tell an actor to go take lessons when they go from doing plays in European theater to working on Broadway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 15:31:39 GMT -5
Almost everyone in TNA. Didn't ADR also skip developmental? He looks aggressive.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 3, 2013 15:34:52 GMT -5
This. Even Bryan freaking Danielson spent some time in developmental to get used to the style and get rid of ring rust. If I'm WWE, I want everyone to know how to work "my style" of match. However, if I'm a professional wrestler who has worked in multiple counties, have worked televised matches with a hard camera, and have drawn money, the idea that I now am treated like a kid who's never had a match before, I would be insulted. You don't tell an actor to go take lessons when they go from doing plays in European theater to working on Broadway. I suppose but oh well. Guys know that they're gonna make far more money working for WWE than wrestling anywhere else and are willing to bite the bullet and pay their dues in the hopes of catching on when they make it to the main roster.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 3, 2013 15:35:56 GMT -5
Basically anyone who has WWE experience or similar i.e. I could see most of the TNA roster skipping developmental bar the greener guys. Anyone who doesnt goes down to learn "the WWE way". In respect to Sin Cara, he was a huge star in Mexico and it could stand to reason that he could make a demand of not having to go down simply because he had the means to walk away from an offer.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Nov 3, 2013 15:36:56 GMT -5
Almost everyone in TNA. Didn't ADR also skip developmental? He looks aggressive. I like his development name. Alberto Boringass.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 3, 2013 15:39:51 GMT -5
No one. Everyone should go for at least a couple months or something. This. Even Bryan freaking Danielson spent some time in developmental to get used to the style and get rid of ring rust. In fairness, Danielson had basically no experience with a production the level of WWE prior to going there. ROH is bush league level production. Punk also spent time in developmental. Its less learning wrestling for these sort of guys than the other things that go along with it. Hitting spots (meaning TV marks, not wrestling spots), learning from a script, and that sort of thing are not immediate. And WWE still wants them to pace matches a certain way. They're not going 20 minutes every night. On TV, they're lucky to get 5-10. That's a completely different way of crafting and executing a match than what he was coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 15:44:49 GMT -5
Roode is probably the total package as far as what WWE would look for (i.e. he has the right size, look, in-ring ability, promo skills, character, etc), but I don't think even he would be able to go straight to the main roster. The WWE has turned into a very manufactured wrestling promotion where they want to control everything, which I guess makes sense from their perspective, but hurts their ability to get the most out of their talent.
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Post by rybackrulez on Nov 3, 2013 15:55:38 GMT -5
Sin Cara f***ed that right up for everyone. What a boner. Leading to the performance center Which should make better characters and wrestlers
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Post by mor666gie on Nov 3, 2013 16:06:53 GMT -5
Insane Championship Wrestlings' Grado, he'd need elocution lessons but could skip development.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 3, 2013 16:21:22 GMT -5
I want them to sign Sting and debut him with this vignette:
"I am coming to WWE and I'm coming for one reason: to end Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak.
"And I'll be there just as soon as I spend a few months in developmental!!!"
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Post by Talent Name on Nov 3, 2013 16:28:39 GMT -5
Maybe just maybe Austin Aeries, Davey Richards or Eddie Edwards
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 3, 2013 16:31:41 GMT -5
If I'm WWE, I want everyone to know how to work "my style" of match. However, if I'm a professional wrestler who has worked in multiple counties, have worked televised matches with a hard camera, and have drawn money, the idea that I now am treated like a kid who's never had a match before, I would be insulted. You don't tell an actor to go take lessons when they go from doing plays in European theater to working on Broadway. You can add to this that by making everyone work 'a WWE match', talent only really ever wrestles one kind of match. Which can be tied to the period of time when all the wrestlers coming out of developmental looked the same and wrestled the same. There has to be enough flexibility to let talent do some of their spots, otherwise why sign someone to a contract if you aren't going to utilize their novelty? It would be like signing Roddy Piper to a development deal and then giving him a gimmick where he doesn't talk, or signing Rey Mysterio to a developmental deal and then telling him he can't work lucha anymore, or signing Bryan Danielson to a developmental deal and then making him work power moves instead of technical holds and submissions. It's counterintuitive because it negates the qualities which you wanted on your show in the first place. For me an example of giving talent room to breathe would be someone like Sami Zayn. Yeah, he's not El Generico anymore, but he still does a lot of the Generico moveset which makes him stand out from the crowd. Had he scrapped both the mask and the moveset, Zayn would be kind of f***ed right now. If television-tested talent, mostly anyone from TNA, can't skip developmental, it should ONLY be for the reasons that a) WWE's ring is different, so they need to know what the ropes, mat, and ring size are like; b) WWE's TV production is different, so they need to know which camera to face, where to bump, when to go home, etc. (which isn't as big of a difference as the first point is); and c) to know what kinds of moves/matches they can or can't work as they familiarize themselves with fellow talent, backstage agents, and creative staff. And at the most, that should be maybe a two-to-three month stint, in dark matches.
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Post by JCBaggee on Nov 3, 2013 16:39:09 GMT -5
I hear Juan Cena skipped developmental and went straight to the main roster, but was never brought on to live TV because of unresolved issues with his cousin.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 4, 2013 1:01:13 GMT -5
Honestly, I think they'd skip Bobby Roode and Austin Aries. Those are about the only two I can think of.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 4, 2013 2:06:19 GMT -5
This. Even Bryan freaking Danielson spent some time in developmental to get used to the style and get rid of ring rust. In fairness, Danielson had basically no experience with a production the level of WWE prior to going there. ROH is bush league level production. Punk also spent time in developmental. Its less learning wrestling for these sort of guys than the other things that go along with it. Hitting spots (meaning TV marks, not wrestling spots), learning from a script, and that sort of thing are not immediate. And WWE still wants them to pace matches a certain way. They're not going 20 minutes every night. On TV, they're lucky to get 5-10. That's a completely different way of crafting and executing a match than what he was coming from. I bet you this all goes away (WWE's silly, rigid over-production) once Vince is gone. The hard camera thing is so fake, watching it live. Completely destroys the suspension of disbelief.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Nov 4, 2013 2:10:47 GMT -5
Brother.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 4, 2013 2:14:00 GMT -5
This. Even Bryan freaking Danielson spent some time in developmental to get used to the style and get rid of ring rust. If I'm WWE, I want everyone to know how to work "my style" of match. However, if I'm a professional wrestler who has worked in multiple counties, have worked televised matches with a hard camera, and have drawn money, the idea that I now am treated like a kid who's never had a match before, I would be insulted. You don't tell an actor to go take lessons when they go from doing plays in European theater to working on Broadway. If he's performing in an absolutely different style or environment you absolutely do. There's even an entire line of employment for people whose job partially it is to help assist actors make such a transition - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DramaturgAs far as I can tell, the WWE's set-up, including the positioning of the hard camera and the overall production style alone, is significantly different from absolutely everywhere else in the world. Every person regardless should get that experience. That said, this new performance center and its resources is truly unprecedented and should really stop making "Developmental" such a dirty word for veteran indie and international talents. It's a substantial investment in making sure their time on WWE TV accentuates all their positives and plays to their strengths. Everyone should be so lucky to have such an avenue before making their worldwide television debut for the absolute pinnacle of their industry.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 4, 2013 3:14:36 GMT -5
Aww hells yes. Not knocking Impact Wrestling, but he's somewhat wasted there, in the sense that he's done everything. He strikes me as the kinda of grappler of which HHH salivates at the prospect. He'd slot in the 'face of the company' role better than most too; every inch of how he presents himself just screams 'STAR! WE'VE GOT A BIG STAR HERE!' Do agree with the point that one should at least spend a couple of months in dev, just getting used to the WWE rings and hitting the cameras.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Nov 4, 2013 3:17:55 GMT -5
Sin Cara f***ed that right up for everyone. What a boner.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 4, 2013 3:21:19 GMT -5
I bet you this all goes away (WWE's silly, rigid over-production) once Vince is gone. The hard camera thing is so fake, watching it live. Completely destroys the suspension of disbelief. I can't go that far. I think Stephanie is going to be just as anal about certain things like her father, possibly even worse. She became head of creative before they started hiring Hollywood writers to write wrestling and she apparently champions this "new" method. Her one saving grace is HHH, as his influence could potentially tone down any "McMahonism".
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