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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 4, 2013 3:26:01 GMT -5
I bet you this all goes away (WWE's silly, rigid over-production) once Vince is gone. The hard camera thing is so fake, watching it live. Completely destroys the suspension of disbelief. I can't go that far. I think Stephanie is going to be just as anal about certain things like her father, possibly even worse. She became head of creative before they started hiring Hollywood writers to write wrestling and she apparently champions this "new" method. Her one saving grace is HHH, as his influence could potentially tone down any "McMahonism". It perplexes me sometimes that more is not made of how wrestling's pop-cultural decline immediately coincides with Steph's ascension to the creative throne. Chris Kreski got dumped in October '00, and the changes were evident immediately, the Angle/HHH, er, Angle was blown off in the most underwhelming, anti-Attitude fashion. Rikishi was bunged into that role for which he was never suited, and they figured Austin was getting stale despite the rowdy masses still popping for him like he was water on a dry day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 3:26:40 GMT -5
If I'm WWE, I want everyone to know how to work "my style" of match. However, if I'm a professional wrestler who has worked in multiple counties, have worked televised matches with a hard camera, and have drawn money, the idea that I now am treated like a kid who's never had a match before, I would be insulted. You don't tell an actor to go take lessons when they go from doing plays in European theater to working on Broadway. If he's performing in an absolutely different style or environment you absolutely do. There's even an entire line of employment for people whose job partially it is to help assist actors make such a transition - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DramaturgAs far as I can tell, the WWE's set-up, including the positioning of the hard camera and the overall production style alone, is significantly different from absolutely everywhere else in the world. Every person regardless should get that experience. That said, this new performance center and its resources is truly unprecedented and should really stop making "Developmental" such a dirty word for veteran indie and international talents. It's a substantial investment in making sure their time on WWE TV accentuates all their positives and plays to their strengths. Everyone should be so lucky to have such an avenue before making their worldwide television debut for the absolute pinnacle of their industry. I think it's less about developmental being a dirty word and more about money. WWE wrestlers make most of their money from being on TV and PPV and going to developmental would most likely mean a massive pay cut for main eventers or upper midcarders in places like TNA or NJPW. I know that WWE didn't build the performance center for those types of wrestlers but if the WWE tried to use the center to entice the Prince Devitts or Karl Andersons of the world they'd be laughed off the phone.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 4, 2013 3:32:01 GMT -5
I can't go that far. I think Stephanie is going to be just as anal about certain things like her father, possibly even worse. She became head of creative before they started hiring Hollywood writers to write wrestling and she apparently champions this "new" method. Her one saving grace is HHH, as his influence could potentially tone down any "McMahonism". It perplexes me sometimes that more is not made of how wrestling's pop-cultural decline immediately coincides with Steph's ascension to the creative throne. Chris Kreski got dumped in October '00, and the changes were evident immediately, the Angle/HHH, er, Angle was blown off in the most underwhelming, anti-Attitude fashion. Rikishi was bunged into that role for which he was never suited, and they figured Austin was getting stale despite the rowdy masses still popping for him like he was water on a dry day. I agree for the most part, but I also think that it was a perfect storm. The popularity was starting to wind down and once WWE became a publicly traded full blown corporate entity, it was almost assuredly going to become watered down. I do agree though that Stephanie deserves scorn from fans for the reasons you mentioned.
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Post by dudebusterfan91 on Nov 4, 2013 3:36:16 GMT -5
Cheerleader Melissa
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 4, 2013 4:10:06 GMT -5
Almost everyone in TNA. Didn't ADR also skip developmental? No, he spent some time there, not a lot, but that's where they developed the gimmick. Del Rio was in FCW from June 2010 until August 2011, although he was doing dark matches before Raw from April 2011 as well as FCW. Funny, it feels like he's been on the main roster for longer than two years.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 4, 2013 7:03:42 GMT -5
No, he spent some time there, not a lot, but that's where they developed the gimmick. Del Rio was in FCW from June 2010 until August 2011, although he was doing dark matches before Raw from April 2011 as well as FCW. Funny, it feels like he's been on the main roster for longer than two years. Huh, for some reason I thought he was there a shorter amount of time.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 4, 2013 7:35:50 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with any new guy to the WWE spending like a month down at development just familiarizing themselves with how the WWE is being run.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 4, 2013 7:41:08 GMT -5
A lot of the TNA upper midcard could, as well as former WWE workers, but honestly I feel that no-one should.
I think a two week to a month long stint in developmental should be mandatory for all signings so they get acclimatised to the size of the WWE ring, it's rope type and it's camera positions to avoid a good worker coming in and looking like a klutz like Sin Cara. I know some workers are more adaptable than other, but even Daniel Bryan saw the benefit in going down there for a little polish to make sure he was TV ready.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 4, 2013 10:25:28 GMT -5
No, he spent some time there, not a lot, but that's where they developed the gimmick. Del Rio was in FCW from June 2010 until August 2011, although he was doing dark matches before Raw from April 2011 as well as FCW. Funny, it feels like he's been on the main roster for longer than two years. ...How did he win the 2011 Royal Rumble if he was still in developmental?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 4, 2013 10:36:16 GMT -5
anybody whose already worked there like the Dudleys or John Morrison could skip, as would old hands like Sting or Jeff Jarrett. but if it's someone whose never worked there before, be it AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, or X Luchador or Japanese guy, they should all at least do a cup of coffee in developmental, because even TNA and WWE are very different in terms of in0ring product.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 4, 2013 11:00:17 GMT -5
Sin Cara should have gone because he didn't speak English and Lucha style is completely different from American style let alone WWE.
Bryan asked to because he felt rusty after his dark match with Chavo.
If WWE could hire a big name guy from Japan like Prince Devitt I can't see him being okay with going to developmental
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Post by rybackrulez on Nov 4, 2013 11:21:27 GMT -5
He is a nobody in the long run
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 4, 2013 11:50:04 GMT -5
At this stage EVERYONE should go to developmental. Heck even current superstars should spend some time down there once a year. It freshens them up and allows some time to learn new things not under the highest scrutiny of fans. It should be expanded as a sort of spring training for guys between gimmicks and rehab for guys coming back from injuries.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 4, 2013 12:14:13 GMT -5
Aurora Rose will win the Divas Title on her debut and it will be the first time she ever stepped into the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 12:24:15 GMT -5
Sting and Hogan. That's it, IMO.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 4, 2013 13:25:19 GMT -5
Del Rio was in FCW from June 2010 until August 2011, although he was doing dark matches before Raw from April 2011 as well as FCW. Funny, it feels like he's been on the main roster for longer than two years. ...How did he win the 2011 Royal Rumble if he was still in developmental? My mistake, knock my dates back by 12 months. That would be why it felt like he's been on the roster longer than two years!
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 4, 2013 13:27:23 GMT -5
Del Rio was in FCW from June 2010 until August 2011, although he was doing dark matches before Raw from April 2011 as well as FCW. Funny, it feels like he's been on the main roster for longer than two years. ...How did he win the 2011 Royal Rumble if he was still in developmental? Destiny.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 4, 2013 13:31:34 GMT -5
AJ Styles?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 4, 2013 14:18:30 GMT -5
At this stage EVERYONE should go to developmental. Heck even current superstars should spend some time down there once a year. It freshens them up and allows some time to learn new things not under the highest scrutiny of fans. It should be expanded as a sort of spring training for guys between gimmicks and rehab for guys coming back from injuries. I wouldn't mind this. If Everyone did this, it wouldn't make the handful of main roster talents who DO appear on NXT look like losers. Plus one thing I've noticed is that WWE seems to put a little too much focus on developmental while neglecting the current talents.
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