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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 7, 2013 14:58:19 GMT -5
That video of him in Backstage Fallout makes me wonder if it was supposed to be him vs. Orton last Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 15:00:59 GMT -5
Miz has really fallen from what I'd hoped he'd become when he started getting a push in 2009. At this point, I think he'd be best to join then authority to get some heat back. Miz should be the guy leading the charge against the Authority. End Big Show's role in this ASAP and then phase the story over to Miz and let him hold down the fort until they're ready to put Bryan back into it. I know that the Miz is one of your guys and I can respect that, but holy hell this would be worse than the Big Show in that spot!
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 7, 2013 15:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 7, 2013 15:05:23 GMT -5
He's always been a heel to me. He's a douche. He can never be popular as a face.
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 7, 2013 15:05:38 GMT -5
Miz should be the guy leading the charge against the Authority. End Big Show's role in this ASAP and then phase the story over to Miz and let him hold down the fort until they're ready to put Bryan back into it. I know that the Miz is one of your guys and I can respect that, but holy hell this would be worse than the Big Show in that spot! A modern talent who almost got to the top of the mountain only to be overshadowed by the old Attitude Era guys wanting a day in the spotlight? Yeah, that's not a good follow-on from Bryan. Much better to try and push the guy who's been floating around aimlessly since the 90s.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 7, 2013 15:07:38 GMT -5
I know that the Miz is one of your guys and I can respect that, but holy hell this would be worse than the Big Show in that spot! A modern talent who almost got to the top of the mountain only to be overshadowed by the old Attitude Era guys wanting a day in the spotlight? Yeah, that's not a good follow-on from Bryan. Much better to try and push the guy who's been floating around aimlessly since the 90s. Except if you gave the Miz that exact same angle and role as Show it will be awful. Miz is a lot of things, but intimidating isn't one of them.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 7, 2013 15:09:41 GMT -5
Miz could have fulfilled the role of the obnoxious corporate champion. The hand picked face of the company who knows he doesn't really deserve the title, but goes along with HHH and Steph because he enjoys the perks of being their ally. All of it would have been more interesting than Randy Boreton.
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Post by modestgenius on Nov 7, 2013 15:14:27 GMT -5
I don't blame Miz for what's happened to him - he has the very worst promo lines in the history of the WWE written for him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 15:14:39 GMT -5
A modern talent who almost got to the top of the mountain only to be overshadowed by the old Attitude Era guys wanting a day in the spotlight? Yeah, that's not a good follow-on from Bryan. Much better to try and push the guy who's been floating around aimlessly since the 90s. Except if you gave the Miz that exact same angle and role as Show it will be awful. Miz is a lot of things, but intimidating isn't one of them. While the Miz isn't my pick for this role, the Big Show being big and intimidating doesn't have much to do with the storyline right now. Any wrestler could have lawyered up and threatened a law suit at this point.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 7, 2013 15:18:30 GMT -5
A modern talent who almost got to the top of the mountain only to be overshadowed by the old Attitude Era guys wanting a day in the spotlight? Yeah, that's not a good follow-on from Bryan. Much better to try and push the guy who's been floating around aimlessly since the 90s. Except if you gave the Miz that exact same angle and role as Show it will be awful. Miz is a lot of things, but intimidating isn't one of them. Actually that stigma that Miz carries of being not intimidating makes it better. HHH in his desire to bury people would probably reason that it's more humiliating or embarrassing to get beaten up by The Miz. Like they'd force him to put the Figure Four on someone and then laugh at his execution of it. And since most people here seem to like shitting on Miz anyway, I assume that you they would want to watch him cry like a bitch take joy in watching him suffer. Everyone wants to see Miz as the corporate shill, but it would've been a nice subversion for him to do all of that under duress. Miz obviously loves promoting the company, but HHH and Steph would basically suck all the fun out of it. I would've loved to see Miz as HHH and Steph's bitch for a few weeks until a bunch of Miz's former partners (maybe bring Morrison back for a night) stage an intervention and motivate him, and tell him to "Be Good, Be Bad, Be Miz" and then he finally stands up for himself.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 7, 2013 15:19:13 GMT -5
Big Show's role should have been filled by someone from NXT. A ready made gimmick for a new face. A good way to introduce them to the main WWE audience. A gullible and naive rookie monster who gets manipulated by Steph and HHH, until eventually he has enough and turns on them. It's the Batista-turns-on-HHH angle.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 7, 2013 15:19:40 GMT -5
Except if you gave the Miz that exact same angle and role as Show it will be awful. Miz is a lot of things, but intimidating isn't one of them. While the Miz isn't my pick for this role, the Big Show being big and intimidating doesn't have much to do with the storyline right now. Any wrestler could have lawyered up and threatened a law suit at this point. Except for the fact HHH wanted Show to be the authorities bodyguard and wanted him to knock out guys like Dusty Rhodes. I don't see how Miz fills in that spot well at all. Then there is also the fact that why Show gained support was because we all knew he could knock out Hunter in one punch but couldn't because he will lose his job/house etc which again Miz can't play at all. Then the crowd has to believe you are a legit threat to HHH/Orton which Big show just because of his massive size and it takes the whole shield + Orton to put him down. Nothing in Miz's booking in the last 18 months will make people think he has a legit chance of beating them.
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Post by KobashiChop on Nov 7, 2013 15:21:13 GMT -5
They bombed him so badly as a face it was unreal. Might as well go heel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 15:24:26 GMT -5
While the Miz isn't my pick for this role, the Big Show being big and intimidating doesn't have much to do with the storyline right now. Any wrestler could have lawyered up and threatened a law suit at this point. Except for the fact HHH wanted Show to be the authorities bodyguard and wanted him to knock out guys like Dusty Rhodes. I don't see how Miz fills in that spot well at all. Then there is also the fact that why Show gained support was because we all knew he could knock out Hunter in one punch but couldn't because he will lose his job/house etc which again Miz can't play at all. Then the crowd has to believe you are a legit threat to HHH/Orton which Big show just because of his massive size and it takes the whole shield + Orton to put him down. Nothing in Miz's booking in the last 18 months will make people think he has a legit chance of beating them. No, I know what you mean, which is why I wouldn't have picked him for the spot. They could have played it like, "Miz, you're the go-to guy for media appearances. People associate you with the company and do 80% of our major media appearances, you've got to tow the line or we'll give your spot to someone else..." and kind of played that angle. Like, "You've always been a company guy, don't go against the Authority now." type thing. I find this whole Big Show angle kind of silly to be honest and it doesn't really work for a lot of reasons, but with a few minor tweaks early on they could have put Miz in the same place and ended with the same unappealing (to me) storyline.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Nov 7, 2013 15:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by sybaku on Nov 7, 2013 15:31:41 GMT -5
He should be a corporate hanger on until Orton eventually gets pissed and RKOs HHH ( you know uncontrollable tweener Orton is coming eventually) then they can basically hand Miz the title with the idea that he is "controllable" and they just continually stack the deck in his favor make him the Heel version of Cena he always defies the odds until eventually a face can dethrone him, maybe at Mania.
If they don't trust him with the WWE then hand him the WHC by stacking the odds against Cena for him. Then run the same story.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 7, 2013 15:33:29 GMT -5
He should be a corporate hanger on until Orton eventually gets pissed and RKOs HHH ( you know uncontrollable tweener Orton is coming eventually) then they can basically hand Miz the title with the idea that he is "controllable" and they just continually stack the deck in his favor make him the Heel version of Cena he always defies the odds until eventually a face can dethrone him, maybe at Mania. If they don't trust him with the WWE then hand him the WHC by stacking the odds against Cena for him. Then run the same story. Giving Miz the WHC would be a slap in the face at this point. I'd rather see him job for life than carry the Big Gold. The worst fate for Miz is for him to play pretend main eventer on the blue brand.
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Post by HBL on Nov 7, 2013 15:38:08 GMT -5
He should be a corporate hanger on until Orton eventually gets pissed and RKOs HHH ( you know uncontrollable tweener Orton is coming eventually) then they can basically hand Miz the title with the idea that he is "controllable" and they just continually stack the deck in his favor make him the Heel version of Cena he always defies the odds until eventually a face can dethrone him, maybe at Mania. If they don't trust him with the WWE then hand him the WHC by stacking the odds against Cena for him. Then run the same story. Giving Miz the WHC would be a slap in the face at this point. I'd rather see him job for life than carry the pity title. This time the person involved is Cena though,so it's not really a pity title,at least for the moment. It actually would be interesting to see what they'd do with both of the world champions being the ''chosen men'' of the authority.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 7, 2013 15:41:26 GMT -5
Giving Miz the WHC would be a slap in the face at this point. I'd rather see him job for life than carry the pity title. This time the person involved is Cena though,so it's not really a pity title,at least for the moment. It actually would be interesting to see what they'd do with both of the world champions being the ''chosen men'' of the authority. I just really think that they need to either push Miz back to the top, or just pull the plug for good, end his suffering and let him be free in the midcard, using what little credibility and name value he has left to boost the midcard/tag division.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 7, 2013 15:46:26 GMT -5
Except if you gave the Miz that exact same angle and role as Show it will be awful. Miz is a lot of things, but intimidating isn't one of them. Actually that stigma that Miz carries of being not intimidating makes it better. HHH in his desire to bury people would probably reason that it's more humiliating or embarrassing to get beaten up by The Miz. Like they'd force him to put the Figure Four on someone and then laugh at his execution of it. And since most people here seem to like shitting on Miz anyway, I assume that you they would want to watch him cry like a bitch take joy in watching him suffer. Everyone wants to see Miz as the corporate shill, but it would've been a nice subversion for him to do all of that under duress. Miz obviously loves promoting the company, but HHH and Steph would basically suck all the fun out of it. I would've loved to see Miz as HHH and Steph's bitch for a few weeks until a bunch of Miz's former partners (maybe bring Morrison back for a night) stage an intervention and motivate him, and tell him to "Be Good, Be Bad, Be Miz" and then he finally stands up for himself. That's.....an odd way to look at things. I don't see what in Hunter's current character will dictate him passing on the superior bodyguard in Show for a guy like the Miz. For your last point, the main point is that whoever is in Show's shoes has to look intimidating and look like he's a legit threat to hurt HHH. None of the Miz's booking in the last 18 months have given the fans a reason to think, yea Miz can destroy Trips in the ring. I also don't see showing Miz motivated is the trick to get people to believe in him. Heck I'm sure Kofi is motivated every time he's in the rings, doesn't mean fans buy into him beating Del Rio. Hey there is nothing wrong with not being intimidating in the ring. You can still have a solid career without it, just in this angle the fans have to believe that the Authority is in big trouble due to this one guy.
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