Wrestling needs a good female manager

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

If they had her be more of a manager instead of a GM/Authority figure, I think Vickie Guerrero could have easily filled this role.

[Chip]

Nov 6, 2013 22:30:07 GMT -5 RIHT said:

No, not a valet that just makes out with the wrestler or merely shouts and screams (although some have been very good at that and done a good job, like AJ, Summer Rae, Vickie, and Elizabeth).

How can you bring up managers that scream and shout and NOT bring up Sherri?

[Bootista]

Sensational Sherri was as close to a real female manager as you can get.

[Unaffiliated]

I think it would need to be an older woman for it to work. Don't think any of the current divas would be able to pull it off and be intimidating, probably because of their age.

[Chip]

Nov 6, 2013 22:40:59 GMT -5 RIHT said:

Nov 6, 2013 22:39:30 GMT -5 Chip said:

How can you bring up managers that scream and shout and NOT bring up Sherri?

You still get the idea. Honestly, I really don't know much about her besides singing the chorus to HBK's theme and dancing with Kurt Angle in 2005.

Shit man, you should look her up, she was awesome and one of the best managers ever, regardless of gender. I'll start you off;

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNBUUhiQm68

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Nov 6, 2013 22:40:53 GMT -5 Unaffiliated said:

I think it would need to be an older woman for it to work. Don't think any of the current divas would be able to pull it off and be intimidating, probably because of their age.

I think "AJ's Mom" Layla could pull it off.

[Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite]

What about shelton benjamims momma?

She wasnt too serious, but she definately wasnt eye candy, and in kayfabe she gave shelton advice during his matches

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Nov 6, 2013 22:44:55 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Nov 6, 2013 22:40:53 GMT -5 Unaffiliated said:

I think it would need to be an older woman for it to work. Don't think any of the current divas would be able to pull it off and be intimidating, probably because of their age.

I think "AJ's Mom" Layla could pull it off.

In terms of age, I was thinking more along the lines of Linda McMahon.

[Reflecto]

Nov 6, 2013 22:30:07 GMT -5 RIHT said:

No, not a valet that just makes out with the wrestler or merely shouts and screams (although some have been very good at that and done a good job, like AJ, Summer Rae, Vickie, and Elizabeth). I feel it's about time there was a serious female manager, as in Paul Heyman or Bobby Heenan. Someone who's excellent on the microphone and has an almost more powerful presence than some other wrestlers. Stephanie McMahon has a similar character, but she couldn't be a manager at this point, and when she was Triple H's manager, she was the typical eye candy. I'm not even talking about turning a diva heel, giving her a business suit, and making her wear glasses. I'm talking about an outspoken, devious, and plotting female manager, that even goes face to face with the wrestlers on occasion.

In essence, I feel wrestling needs a female Paul Heyman. Thoughts? Could anyone in wrestling today pull that off? Should anyone try to? Who could do it? Maybe someone like Curtis Axel would've been different with that kind of manager, or maybe Wade Barrett. Who knows, maybe even a heel CM Punk with a serious female manager could've worked. Anyways, go for it in the comments.

The biggest problem with it is that no one "in WWE" today could pull it off. Comparing it to baseball, it's like having a five-tool player: Someone who can run, throw, field, hit for average, and hit for power- or, the closest to a can't miss prospect you can get. Using that for the "proper" female manager, the five tools would probably be:

-Great on the mic
-Great with developing a character
-Great-looking (it IS WWE)
-Able to hold her own in the ring
-Believable threat with the men

Right from there, PG/Mattel dictates you'll never get that fifth tool in the WWE (Believable threat with the men)- male on female violence is verboten in WWE at this time, and honestly the WWE's better off not even bothering to try the fifth one: If a heel manager is good enough, fans will inherently WANT to see them get their ass kicked by someone. If they can fight the women, then they'll get their comeuppance- but it's better to not tease the fans with "wanting" to see a female manager going head to head as a threat against the man unless the WWE intends to follow through on the payoff- which we know they won't do.

As far as people who hold the other four tools, that's the question- but WWE is relatively set with people like that already.

[Reflecto]

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Now, someone like Paul Heyman isn't an actual threat to anyone really (he also isn't good in the ring and looks pretty ugly), but he can stand up to the superstars and will insult them big time. This female manager should be able to insult someone like The Undertaker and only run if he physically tries to attack, which is natural for essentially anyone. This total package is a rare breed though amongst wrestling women.
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Well, I meant for looks as a female manager's fifth tool, not the male manager's fifth tool (where a male manager's looks aren't as important), for one. For another, there is that inherent difference between the two: Paul Heyman is not a good in-ring competitor. We know this- but the CM Punk/Heyman Guys feud is an example of the proper storyline for a manager, when oversimplified:

1-Manager stands up to the superstars, insults them big time.
2-Superstar then tries to physically attack the manager.
3-Manager runs away or hides behind their clients.
4-Eventually- not often, but on one magic night, that superstar FINALLY gets his hands on the manager and gives them what they've had coming to them.

That's the difference between Paul Heyman and a female manager in a nutshell. Sensational Sherri was mentioned as a classic great female manager, and a big reason she WAS such a good manager was because of the gender roles in play. A big reason why Sherri worked so well was the nature of the beast: Sherri would insult the faces as well as any of the male managers- but because Hulk Hogan was such a good man at heart, he'd never physically assault Sherri, no matter how much the fans wanted it at the time. Sherri thus became the only heel manager who'd never get her comeuppance from Hogan- making her seem bigger. This also made Warrior seem more vicious than Hogan when he was at the top: Warrior didn't care, he WAS willing to physically attack Sherri if need be.

With those things in mind, it is "possible", but even then- a female manager's only way to really kick into overdrive would be if it became a plot point that Cena wouldn't attack AJ, even as she does her thing against him for her next client (and even then, the fact that we've seen Cena find other ways to destroy/humiliate Divas who go against him means Pandora's Box has already been opened.)

[Todd Pettengill]

The need someone like 90s (and I stress 90s) Sunny. She was about the best female manager ever.

She had the look. She could talk better than most of the roster. Was full of quick wit. And, entertaining while rooting on her teams.

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

I think it would work with someone like Steph, but they'd have to do three things.

1. Make sure they guy isn't a scrub like Axel or that Escobar guy Vickie managed, he needs to be like Orton when he first started, where they were determined to make him a main eventer no matter what. Like say, they're really into Roman Reigns, then he's the guy that should be managed by her.

2. She needs to actually come out with him. Remember when Vince endorsed guys liked D-Mac and Elijah Burke but never came out with them or appeared with them except maybe once or twice? The manager and the guy she's managing need to constantly be on screen together. If Steph is endorsing a guy, have her come out with him, really show her using her power to get the dude over.

Stuff like good mic skills and knowing how to get heat are manditory too, but that goes without saying.

[greeby]

Nov 6, 2013 22:54:56 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

Nov 6, 2013 22:30:07 GMT -5 RIHT said:

No, not a valet that just makes out with the wrestler or merely shouts and screams (although some have been very good at that and done a good job, like AJ, Summer Rae, Vickie, and Elizabeth). I feel it's about time there was a serious female manager, as in Paul Heyman or Bobby Heenan. Someone who's excellent on the microphone and has an almost more powerful presence than some other wrestlers. Stephanie McMahon has a similar character, but she couldn't be a manager at this point, and when she was Triple H's manager, she was the typical eye candy. I'm not even talking about turning a diva heel, giving her a business suit, and making her wear glasses. I'm talking about an outspoken, devious, and plotting female manager, that even goes face to face with the wrestlers on occasion.

In essence, I feel wrestling needs a female Paul Heyman. Thoughts? Could anyone in wrestling today pull that off? Should anyone try to? Who could do it? Maybe someone like Curtis Axel would've been different with that kind of manager, or maybe Wade Barrett. Who knows, maybe even a heel CM Punk with a serious female manager could've worked. Anyways, go for it in the comments.

The biggest problem with it is that no one "in WWE" today could pull it off. Comparing it to baseball, it's like having a five-tool player: Someone who can run, throw, field, hit for average, and hit for power- or, the closest to a can't miss prospect you can get. Using that for the "proper" female manager, the five tools would probably be:

-Great on the mic
-Great with developing a character
-Great-looking (it IS WWE)
-Able to hold her own in the ring
-Believable threat with the men

So, in short, you're describing Maxine

[BigWill]

Maxine really would have been perfect.

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Nov 6, 2013 22:39:30 GMT -5 Chip said:

Nov 6, 2013 22:30:07 GMT -5 RIHT said:

No, not a valet that just makes out with the wrestler or merely shouts and screams (although some have been very good at that and done a good job, like AJ, Summer Rae, Vickie, and Elizabeth).

How can you bring up managers that scream and shout and NOT bring up Sherri?

Sherri definitely fell into that category, but she was also good on the mic, got involved, and felt like a real manager.