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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 9, 2013 12:34:06 GMT -5
Nah, it's my fault. I was the one that started that Move-ember thread and you all doubted me. I hate being right in this case. JINX!!
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 9, 2013 12:39:53 GMT -5
If your bosses want you to get in much better shape, and it's the biggest barrier between you and major success, and yet you don't get into much better shape, I think it's safe to say you just didn't want it bad enough. Apparently, Hero hates the gym and healthy eating more than he'd love being a major WWE player. I find that silly, but to each their own. Watch the last NXT. I'm begging people to know what they're talking about. He did hit the gym and got in shape. If that man from the 11/7 NXT is out of shape there has little hope for the rest of us. But the problem most is is that reportedly the WWE had to tell him to hit the gym. That one of the basic things you have to do while under WWE contract. So while it's great he got into shape, the mere fact that the WWE basically force to go to the gym is something I can see Hunter being upset with him about.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 9, 2013 12:46:11 GMT -5
Watch the last NXT. I'm begging people to know what they're talking about. He did hit the gym and got in shape. If that man from the 11/7 NXT is out of shape there has little hope for the rest of us. But the problem most is is that reportedly the WWE had to tell him to hit the gym. That one of the basic things you have to do while under WWE contract. So while it's great he got into shape, the mere fact that the WWE basically force to go to the gym is something I can see Hunter being upset with him about. I think the point Dave is trying to make is that Hero obviously did want it enough because he DID get into shape. He realized his errors and got his shit together. To simply say "guess fatty didn't want it enough" is an awfully shitty way to think when talking about a guy who did make some changes.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 9, 2013 12:54:11 GMT -5
But the problem most is is that reportedly the WWE had to tell him to hit the gym. That one of the basic things you have to do while under WWE contract. So while it's great he got into shape, the mere fact that the WWE basically force to go to the gym is something I can see Hunter being upset with him about. I think the point Dave is trying to make is that Hero obviously did want it enough because he DID get into shape. He realized his errors and got his shit together. To simply say "guess fatty didn't want it enough" is an awfully shitty way to think when talking about a guy who did make some changes. That's a fair point. I guess I read it as well Ohno got in shape so it shouldn't be held against him, when the WWE having to tell Ohno to hit the gym is a pretty big mark against him.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 9, 2013 13:22:53 GMT -5
If your bosses want you to get in much better shape, and it's the biggest barrier between you and major success, and yet you don't get into much better shape, I think it's safe to say you just didn't want it bad enough. Apparently, Hero hates the gym and healthy eating more than he'd love being a major WWE player. I find that silly, but to each their own. Watch the last NXT. I'm begging people to know what they're talking about. He did hit the gym and got in shape. If that man from the 11/7 NXT is out of shape there has little hope for the rest of us. but if people watch the last NXT, and are up to date and informed, how will they be able to talk out of their ass?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 9, 2013 13:31:28 GMT -5
Watch the last NXT. I'm begging people to know what they're talking about. He did hit the gym and got in shape. If that man from the 11/7 NXT is out of shape there has little hope for the rest of us. but if people watch the last NXT, and are up to date and informed, how will they be able to talk out of their ass? Ohno got in shape but he had to have his bosses ride his ass to do so. That makes WWE management question his level of dedication to his job. WWE fired Percy Watson, who was considered a standout in NXT, because he developed an attitude and show up for training late or sometimes not at all.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 9, 2013 13:34:26 GMT -5
Watch the last NXT. I'm begging people to know what they're talking about. He did hit the gym and got in shape. If that man from the 11/7 NXT is out of shape there has little hope for the rest of us. But the problem most is is that reportedly the WWE had to tell him to hit the gym. That one of the basic things you have to do while under WWE contract. So while it's great he got into shape, the mere fact that the WWE basically force to go to the gym is something I can see Hunter being upset with him about. I agree with you. It is weird he got there in slacked off. I'm sad he's fired, but I get it. I just want people saying he just didn't bother even doing what they asked to know they're wrong.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 9, 2013 13:40:15 GMT -5
but if people watch the last NXT, and are up to date and informed, how will they be able to talk out of their ass? Ohno got in shape but he had to have his bosses ride his ass to do so. That makes WWE management question his level of dedication to his job. WWE fired Percy Watson, who was considered a standout in NXT, because he developed an attitude and show up for training late or sometimes not at all. Also factor in that in developmental all they really have to do is train and work at the performance centre. On the main roster they're on the road all the time, and have to find gyms in whatever City they happen to be at the time. Hero admits to hating the gym, WWE had to force him to hit the gym when he literally went to work every day in one, is it really a stretch that they couldn't trust him to make the effort to do so on his own accord when on the road?
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Post by saintpat on Nov 9, 2013 13:42:28 GMT -5
But the problem most is is that reportedly the WWE had to tell him to hit the gym. That one of the basic things you have to do while under WWE contract. So while it's great he got into shape, the mere fact that the WWE basically force to go to the gym is something I can see Hunter being upset with him about. I agree with you. It is weird he got there in slacked off. I'm sad he's fired, but I get it. I just want people saying he just didn't bother even doing what they asked to know they're wrong. But how do you know that? What if he was told: This is your gym schedule. We shouldn't have to do this, but obviously we do because you haven't been doing the things you're supposed to do. So you show up at this time every day and you do this workout. If you don't show up because you have a flat tire or something, you call and tell us when you can make it and you show up then. And you will change your diet, no junk food, this is what you eat, we shouldn't have to do this but we've written it down for you. So let's say he does those things. He gets in better shape. And then he misses a workout, or shows up with a bag full of McDonald's. Now you say "I've seen him on video, he clearly did what he was told." But you don't know what he was told. I know of a situation like this from my own workplace with a very talented guy, a star really -- but he did some things he was explicitly told to NEVER do again, and he didn't do some things that he was told he HAD to do ... and he had to do these things (and not do the other things) every single day, Zero Tolerance. It was put in writing, he signed it. He clearly understood the consequences. If WWE had to tell him that he has to work out, something they shouldn't have to tell anyone (no matter how talented), they might have also made it clear that he had used up all his strikes and the next offense would result in dismissal. I don't know that it went down like that, anymore than you or anyone else knows that he did what he was told to do.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 9, 2013 13:47:23 GMT -5
I agree with you. It is weird he got there in slacked off. I'm sad he's fired, but I goet it. I just want people saying he just didn't bother even doing what they asked to know they're wrong. But how do you know that? What if he was told: This is your gym schedule. We shouldn't have to do this, but obviously we do because you haven't been doing the things you're supposed to do. So you show up at this time every day and you do this workout. If you don't show up because you have a flat tire or something, you call and tell us when you can make it and you show up then. And you will change your diet, no junk food, this is what you eat, we shouldn't have to do this but we've written it down for you. So let's say he does those things. He gets in better shape. And then he misses a workout, or shows up with a bag full of McDonald's. Now you say "I've seen him on video, he clearly did what he was told." But you don't know what he was told. I know of a situation like this from my own workplace with a very talented guy, a star really -- but he did some things he was explicitly told to NEVER do again, and he didn't do some things that he was told he HAD to do ... and he had to do these things (and not do the other things) every single day, Zero Tolerance. It was put in writing, he signed it. He clearly understood the consequences. If WWE had to tell him that he has to work out, something they shouldn't have to tell anyone (no matter how talented), they might have also made it clear that he had used up all his strikes and the next offense would result in dismissal. I don't know that it went down like that, anymore than you or anyone else knows that he did what he was told to do. Well I'm basing it off of reports like everyone else. The reports say that he was told to get in better shape. Based on a match from like 4 days ago, he got in shape. Correct, I wasn't in the room during the meeting, so I'm using reporting to form my opinion. That's what news/newz is. Until something else comes out that's what I have to go on.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Nov 9, 2013 13:51:55 GMT -5
^^^^ Good point and counterpoint.
I feel that our discussions may be more in depth than what we're informed. Either way. I just hate that this happened.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 9, 2013 13:55:08 GMT -5
But how do you know that? What if he was told: This is your gym schedule. We shouldn't have to do this, but obviously we do because you haven't been doing the things you're supposed to do. So you show up at this time every day and you do this workout. If you don't show up because you have a flat tire or something, you call and tell us when you can make it and you show up then. And you will change your diet, no junk food, this is what you eat, we shouldn't have to do this but we've written it down for you. So let's say he does those things. He gets in better shape. And then he misses a workout, or shows up with a bag full of McDonald's. Now you say "I've seen him on video, he clearly did what he was told." But you don't know what he was told. I know of a situation like this from my own workplace with a very talented guy, a star really -- but he did some things he was explicitly told to NEVER do again, and he didn't do some things that he was told he HAD to do ... and he had to do these things (and not do the other things) every single day, Zero Tolerance. It was put in writing, he signed it. He clearly understood the consequences. If WWE had to tell him that he has to work out, something they shouldn't have to tell anyone (no matter how talented), they might have also made it clear that he had used up all his strikes and the next offense would result in dismissal. I don't know that it went down like that, anymore than you or anyone else knows that he did what he was told to do. Well I'm basing it off of reports like everyone else. The reports say that he was told to get in better shape. Based on a match from like 4 days ago, he got in shape. Correct, I wasn't in the room during the meeting, so I'm using reporting to form my opinion. That's what news/newz is. Until something else comes out that's what I have to go on. All we know is that it was reported that he was told that he had to get in shape. We don't know how he was told it, what exactly he was told to do, whether they spelled out consequences for not doing exactly what he was told to do, which is my point. I kind of doubt that someone said over cupcakes and coffee: "Oh, by the way Ohno, you need to get in better shape. And did you see that Breaking Bad finale? It was really good" That wouldn't likely be something that would get back to a newz site. More likely, for enough people to know it and think it meant anything, he was called to the carpet. At least that's my take. My guess is that WWE, being a business, is run like one. I find it hard to believe that HHH or someone just woke up one day and said, "Well, we told Kassius to get in shape and it looks like he's made some major changes. But I don't like his hair. He's fired." I find it much easier to believe that they felt like it wasn't working out, and that they made this decision based on ... something.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 9, 2013 13:58:33 GMT -5
Well I'm basing it off of reports like everyone else. The reports say that he was told to get in better shape. Based on a match from like 4 days ago, he got in shape. Correct, I wasn't in the room during the meeting, so I'm using reporting to form my opinion. That's what news/newz is. Until something else comes out that's what I have to go on. All we know is that it was reported that he was told that he had to get in shape. We don't know how he was told it, what exactly he was told to do, whether they spelled out consequences for not doing exactly what he was told to do, which is my point. I kind of doubt that someone said over cupcakes and coffee: "Oh, by the way Ohno, you need to get in better shape. And did you see that Breaking Bad finale? It was really good" That wouldn't likely be something that would get back to a newz site. More likely, for enough people to know it and think it meant anything, he was called to the carpet. At least that's my take. My guess is that WWE, being a business, is run like one. I find it hard to believe that HHH or someone just woke up one day and said, "Well, we told Kassius to get in shape and it looks like he's made some major changes. But I don't like his hair. He's fired." I find it much easier to believe that they felt like it wasn't working out, and that they made this decision based on ... something. Sure. Probably. My issue really was that weird italics troll guy calling him a big fat guy. That's just blatantly incorrect. Likely it was something else
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Post by saintpat on Nov 9, 2013 14:04:00 GMT -5
All we know is that it was reported that he was told that he had to get in shape. We don't know how he was told it, what exactly he was told to do, whether they spelled out consequences for not doing exactly what he was told to do, which is my point. I kind of doubt that someone said over cupcakes and coffee: "Oh, by the way Ohno, you need to get in better shape. And did you see that Breaking Bad finale? It was really good" That wouldn't likely be something that would get back to a newz site. More likely, for enough people to know it and think it meant anything, he was called to the carpet. At least that's my take. My guess is that WWE, being a business, is run like one. I find it hard to believe that HHH or someone just woke up one day and said, "Well, we told Kassius to get in shape and it looks like he's made some major changes. But I don't like his hair. He's fired." I find it much easier to believe that they felt like it wasn't working out, and that they made this decision based on ... something. Sure. Probably. My issue really was that weird italics troll guy calling him a big fat guy. That's just blatantly incorrect. Likely it was something else Of course we're all making a lot of assumptions here: Newz site says he's told to get in shape ... later he gets released. For all we know right now he's not happy and asked to be released. Or he cussed out someone who said, 'That's it, you're gone." Or one of a million other things.
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 9, 2013 14:35:14 GMT -5
The thing that I think people are forgetting or are willfully ignoring is that Hero had to get off all of the supplements, all of the fat burners, all of the whatever he was using that helped get him to his 2011 shape in order to get the WWE contract. Remember how he was in limbo for months and even made a few more indie appearances (including Final Battle 2011) while Claudio was already in FCW? So yeah, he didn't look great in 2012. I'm not saying he 100% deserves a pass on his appearance, but it's not like he got the contract and just decided "f*** it, pass me that big mac".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 14:53:20 GMT -5
I prefer to think that when he was told to get in shape, the following day he showed up at HHH's office with 4 bags loaded with mcdonalds food.
He proceeds to spread it all out across the desk, put his feet up, and start eating while dribbling toppings all over important paperwork while looking HHH in the eye the entire time.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Nov 9, 2013 15:22:37 GMT -5
Hero didn't want it bad enough. If he did, he wouldn't have a couch potato physique. Throw in his underwhelming charisma and mic skills, and I applaud WWE on trimming the fat (no pun intended). I don't believe Hero is, or ever was, anywhere near one of the top 50 wrestlers in the U.S., and he never deserved a spot in WWE. It was always clear to me that Cesaro was the star of the team. Sure enough, Cesaro's a significant player in WWE while Hero's on his way back to working the high school gyms in towns with five-digit populations. TNA might give him a look due his name value, but I hope they don't. Not everyone can lose weight easily, Mr Classless
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 15:29:02 GMT -5
I prefer to think that when he was told to get in shape, the following day he showed up at HHH's office with 4 bags loaded with mcdonalds food. He proceeds to spread it all out across the desk, put his feet up, and start eating while dribbling toppings all over important paperwork while looking HHH in the eye the entire time. And on the other side of the table... Followed by... And after Triple H threw DJ Jazzy Jeff out of the performance center, he immediately fired Kassius Ohno.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 9, 2013 15:31:32 GMT -5
I'm about to ban one guy for being a dickweasel and another one's on the chopping block. Next person wants to call people names or try to start shit is getting a week time out.
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Post by The Baltimore Staircase on Nov 9, 2013 15:37:02 GMT -5
I'm about to ban one guy for being a dickweasel and another one's on the chopping block. Next person wants to call people names or try to start shit is getting a week time out.
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