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Post by rapidfire187 on Nov 10, 2013 20:13:39 GMT -5
They should do one with developmental wrestlers. That way, the winner doesn't have to get trained afterward. Something like the original NXT only without all the stupidity or the live setting.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2013 20:14:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna assume it's because WWE realizes the idea is flawed. Whoever wins the competition, they can't get any use out of for many many months. Hell, the only people to come out of TE that were any good were Morrison and Miz. I was a massive mark for Maven when he was around but even I know he was trash. Linda Miles was pretty good. Also, he lost, but can't forget Kenny King. Also, that guy Jake from season 2 seemed like he could have been good, but after losing to Jackie Gayda I'm not surprised he wanted nothing to do with the industry.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 10, 2013 20:21:08 GMT -5
Dunn wasn't allowed to produce it either. Dunn not producing is a bad thing? To normal people, yes. But WWE likes to micromanage.
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Post by JCBaggee on Nov 10, 2013 20:22:05 GMT -5
and it still sucks to me that Cameron (the one who seemed least passionate about the company/BUZINESS, and a terrible humanbeing at least she comes across that way on TE and TD) is the only one that is still with the company. Luke and Jeremiah both deserved a chance on the main roster over everyone else from that season, in my opinon. They gave Jeremiah a try-out afterwards, but everyone said he was a cocky ass and he didn't make it far.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 10, 2013 20:26:49 GMT -5
They realized they were never going to find a new contestant who could live up to Ariane's legacy, so the show was retired.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 20:39:21 GMT -5
They should've filmed the show 6-12 months in advance and once they have a winner(s) they would have time to make that winner passable and be able to be on WWE Tv right away. The show doesn't have any kind of fan voting anyways.
Similar to Ultimate Fighter that is filmed months in advance so the TUF finale isn't long after the "reality" series ends with semifinals episodes.
Film TE in January-February and air it starting in October for a couple months and then just translate the winner (who has 10-12 months in developmental under his belt by that time) to Raw and SmackDown.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 10, 2013 20:40:36 GMT -5
Tough Enough has almost always sucked. NXT, while a hybrid of the same system has almost always had better results.
Let's look at the winners of TE and even the Diva Search, since they're mostly the same thing;
TE1: Maven TE1: Nidia TE2: Linda Miles TE2: Jackie Gayda TE3: John Hennigan TE3: Matt Cappotelli TE4: Daniel Puder TE5: Andy Leavine DS1: Christy Hemme DS2: Ashley Massaro DS3: Layla El DS4: Eve Torres
Hired on anyways; Kristal Marshall (DS2) Amy Zidian (DS3) Maryse Ouellet (DS3) The Bella Twins (DS3) Rosa Mendes (DS3)
And even worse...the losers that were hired and outlasted the winners: Christopher Nowinski (TE1) Josh Matthews (TE1) Justin Roberts (TE1) Matt Morgan (TE2) The Miz (TE4) Spirit Squad Mitch (TE4) Ryback (TE4) Boogeyman (TE4) Cameron (TE5) Maria Kanellis (DS1) Michelle McCool (DS1) Candice Michelle (DS1)
So...what's the point? Where's the contest if you aren't guaranteed much of anything? Much less the notion that the fans have a "say" in matters? Afterall, WWE has shown time and time again that they don't care what the fans want, and will eventually revert to whatever WWE wants. That shows the upmost contempt for your audience.
It's also a wast of goddamn time when you push for this "glass ceiling, how much do you want it" bullshit that always leads to the same garbage every time. I think the whole audition process is something that they probably do to save money from real recruiting and actually training some real talent. It's easier to throw a bunch of fools in the ring with the deception that they could be "big stars" if they try hard enough. Give me a f***ing break.
For example, I'm no fan of Daniel Puder or anything. My favorite wrestler ever is Kurt Angle. That said, the whole set up for that contest was a joke. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. It's a public hazing. An ego stroke for the boys like JBL, Benoit and Hardcore Holly who enjoyed throwing their status around as a means of keeping their spot. So anyways...the whole thing stemmed from a contest where Angle got in the ring and legit stiffed the hell out of some other guy, breaking his ribs and other minor injuries. So then Puder was asked to get in the ring as well, so that he could get stiffed? If I was in the same position, I would have done the same thing to Angle, no matter how much of a fan I am. Complete and total bullshit. So since Puder made Angle "look bad", they decided to throw away the whole contest if he won, which he did...and he won big. Again, no fan of Puder by any means...he was pretty dull as a character, but the crowd really loved him every time he went out there. So what does WWE do? They completely bury the guy by having him be a buffoon heel who got his ass kicked in the Rumble and then never heard of again. Oh, and he didn't get the money they promoted for the event.
Tough Enough needs to stay dead. It's such a farce, becoming one of the worst examples of "winning" a reality contest. NXT was done so much better...as long as they didn't leave it up to the fans, because whenever WWE does that...they turn around do the opposite anyways.
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Post by Bootista on Nov 10, 2013 20:43:44 GMT -5
Candice and McCool became competent in the ring, though
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 10, 2013 20:45:50 GMT -5
Follow-up question: Why has no other show incorporated five minutes of Stone Cold berating people? I don't even mind if it's over the credits of a sitcom. Just have him calling Jon Cryer completely pathetic after a taping of Two and Half Men, I don't care. I just want Stone Cold yelling at people back on TV! Hell it was the only reason I watched. If it was half an hour, cut out the typical reality show BS, focused more on the wrestling challenges and ended with Stone Cold yelling at people it'd be the greatest show ever. Yeah I never got why they had actual rookies to independent vets competing on the same basic level but I don't get why the WWE does alot of things
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 20:45:55 GMT -5
Candice and McCool became competent in the ring, though So did Layla & Eve. Diva Search was way more successful than Tough Enough. I'd rather have that back for another season.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 10, 2013 21:21:48 GMT -5
Because they didn't do something original like have the entire cast come in and try to take over the WWE.
Rookie Invasion = Ratings.
Just make sure no one gets close to ties, though.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 10, 2013 22:05:01 GMT -5
and it still sucks to me that Cameron (the one who seemed least passionate about the company/BUZINESS, and a terrible humanbeing at least she comes across that way on TE and TD) is the only one that is still with the company. Luke and Jeremiah both deserved a chance on the main roster over everyone else from that season, in my opinon. Don't leave out Martin and Ivelisse. Hell, we really didn't get to see a whole lot outta Matt, and AJ, in my opinion, showed quite a bit of potential. That's six people who deserve a spot in the WWE a hell of a lot more than the dude who won it or the only chick that's still here. Which is probably the whole reason there was no sequel, and I, for one, couldn't blame them.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 10, 2013 22:08:18 GMT -5
Tough Enough was a failure. It never worked. It can never work. WWE doesn't have the willingness or capability to do it. It's always sucked
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 10, 2013 22:53:20 GMT -5
probably because nobody on the show amounted to anything. can't imagine Steve Austin and Trish Stratus came cheap, either. it's kind of hard to sell a competition where the fans view the prize as being worthless. even if you include the original Tough Enough the only guys who ever amounted to anything were non-winners like John Morrison, Miz and Ryback.
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Post by anticonscience on Nov 10, 2013 23:02:14 GMT -5
They should've filmed the show 6-12 months in advance and once they have a winner(s) they would have time to make that winner passable and be able to be on WWE Tv right away. The show doesn't have any kind of fan voting anyways. Similar to Ultimate Fighter that is filmed months in advance so the TUF finale isn't long after the "reality" series ends with semifinals episodes. Film TE in January-February and air it starting in October for a couple months and then just translate the winner (who has 10-12 months in developmental under his belt by that time) to Raw and SmackDown. Well when 1 person only from the show is in developmental around the time the show is airing, it will be a complete giveaway who wins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 23:16:55 GMT -5
I dunno.
I kinda liked TE, despite disliking most reality television by default.
There's a lot of story to be had in one's climb to the WWE. It's compelling.
What I was not compelled by was all the reality schtick.
"Oh, Sparky Thurman Plugg didn't think that was a good piledriver sell. I guess that means you're off the 'rasslin island."
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Nov 10, 2013 23:21:17 GMT -5
Because the show wasn't tough enough to last.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 10, 2013 23:21:45 GMT -5
probably because nobody on the show amounted to anything. can't imagine Steve Austin and Trish Stratus came cheap, either. it's kind of hard to sell a competition where the fans view the prize as being worthless. even if you include the original Tough Enough the only guys who ever amounted to anything were non-winners like John Morrison, Miz and Ryback. Actually Morrison won TE3. He was barely on the show though since he caused very little drama. The only times he was mentioned was when DeMott or Snow praised his agility at perfecting EVERYTHING. TE3 was the only one that meant a damn because it had winners who could have been someone. Morrision should have been on TE2, but Kevin Dunn dismissed him during the interview because he seemed like he'd "rather be an athlete" than what WWE does. If that makes any sense. Dunn probably licked his chops at Miz though due to being on MTV. You can attract the "cool crowd" with MTV!!
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Post by mizerable on Nov 10, 2013 23:32:41 GMT -5
I dunno. I kinda liked TE, despite disliking most reality television by default. There's a lot of story to be had in one's climb to the WWE. It's compelling. What I was not compelled by was all the reality schtick. "Oh, Sparky Thurman Plugg didn't think that was a good piledriver sell. I guess that means you're off the 'rasslin island." Oh, it had the ability to be good. But the result of things made it seem like it was a waste. About 85% of the people they have on these shows seem like good genuine people. Even Miz didn't seem like a bad fellow, just someone that you're not going to cheer by default. And these are people who are taking time out of their lives to compete on a show where nothing is guaranteed, no matter what the rules say. The problem is entirely on WWE. It's all about "how much you want it" and "desire" and all that bullshit. They basically expect you to hit the ground running, and most people aren't going to be able to do that, let alone a show where you go from no experience, to TV time. I still don't know how Maven did it, considering how green he was. But then you wonder...is WWE sending the right message about desire? They almost encourage getting there at any cost. I question if Andy would have been busted for steroids if it wasn't for that pressure that WWE puts on these guys to push themselves. It's really the wrong message.
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Post by Rave on Nov 10, 2013 23:42:05 GMT -5
They should do one with developmental wrestlers. That way, the winner doesn't have to get trained afterward. Something like the original NXT only without all the stupidity or the live setting. Andy and Christina were from developmental.
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