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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 11, 2013 13:36:46 GMT -5
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Post by The Portable Stove on Nov 11, 2013 13:44:20 GMT -5
I was hoping Stephanie could be the new Kane.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 11, 2013 13:44:31 GMT -5
Corporation - Got people over
Authority - Doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 14:21:57 GMT -5
HHH was the crown jewel? I don't seem to remember him being dubbed the corporate champion and wearing awesome $500 shirts.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 11, 2013 15:27:54 GMT -5
Corporation - Got people over Authority - Doesn't. Except for The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Big Show, both Rhodes brothers, the Usos, Triple H as a heel... I know they were all varying degrees of over before, but come on. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 11, 2013 15:28:54 GMT -5
Corporation - Got people over Authority - Doesn't. Except for The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Big Show, both Rhodes brothers, the Usos, Triple H as a heel... I know they were all varying degrees of over before, but come on. Bryan and The Shield were already over before the angle started but I agree on everybody else. |
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Post by mizerable on Nov 11, 2013 15:32:04 GMT -5
So this is New Corp?
Sorry, but most people will always prefer Corp Classic.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 11, 2013 15:42:26 GMT -5
Didn't watch back then and no only a little, but who's the new Rock?
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Nov 11, 2013 15:58:29 GMT -5
LMFAO bullSHIT Orton is the new Triple H and not the new Rock.
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 11, 2013 16:06:24 GMT -5
Until they get a unifying theme, there is no "New Corporation" and it's highly unlikely they'll outdo "No Chance in Hell"
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 11, 2013 16:18:11 GMT -5
Corporation - Got people over Authority - Doesn't. Except for The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Big Show, both Rhodes brothers, the Usos, Triple H as a heel... I know they were all varying degrees of over before, but come on. SHIELD were over even before the angle. Bryan has been deemphasised. Built up simply to be booked to fail. Big Show has been over since about 1995, so has Goldust, and HHH has been over as a heel for ages. The Usos have seen an improvement in their standing simply because WWE decided to actually have a tag team division. Cody has benefitted from it, but it probably won't last. |
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Post by Lila on Nov 11, 2013 17:15:30 GMT -5
Corporation - Got people over Authority - Doesn't. Except for The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Big Show, both Rhodes brothers, the Usos, Triple H as a heel... I know they were all varying degrees of over before, but come on.  I couldn't help myself. |
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 11, 2013 17:51:07 GMT -5
The Authority is doomed to fail because they don't have the quintessential heel force behind them like they did in Vinnie Mac. Say what you will, but that man possesses more charisma in his finger than HHH and Stephanie put together. They also dont have the forces of good against them like they did in Austin and later on, The Rock. Even the Corporation's "filler" feuds i.e. when pushing Mick Foley and such were great because of the talent behind them. The way the WWE is structured and the way creative is done now guarantees stagnation.
We all know this is going to come down to John Cena "saving" the company or Vince half-heartedly stepping in as a babyface to ward off his diabolical daughter and son-in-law. Or worse, they go with a "divorce" angle (again) to get one of Steph/Hunter off of TV.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 11, 2013 18:09:57 GMT -5
Except for The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Big Show, both Rhodes brothers, the Usos, Triple H as a heel... I know they were all varying degrees of over before, but come on. SHIELD were over even before the angle. Bryan has been deemphasised. Built up simply to be booked to fail. Big Show has been over since about 1995, so has Goldust, and HHH has been over as a heel for ages. The Usos have seen an improvement in their standing simply because WWE decided to actually have a tag team division. Cody has benefitted from it, but it probably won't last. Shield were over, obviously, but they were also wheelspinning. This angle has given them something to aside from 'something something JUSTICE something something COMPLETE' to do. Great heels are over enough for the fans to want to see them get beaten, and the fans have gone crazy seeing the Shield get pinned during this angle, without it killing their heat. The Shield are at the point of being basically untouchable, and when one or more of them turns it's going to be huge. Bryan has been de-emphasised now, but he was mega f***ing over for months, and he still is over - I'd say even more over thanks to this angle. And getting someone over doesn't mean 'giving them the belt,' it means getting them over, and unless his crowd reaction drops through the floor this week, he is still going to be mega over even if he isn't in the main event angle. Big Show has not been over since 1995, he was booked as champion in late '99 and no-one gave a f***, for one thing, and he has been getting mixed to mediocre crowd reaction the last few years, not a great deal of heat - the point is he is now more over than he's been in years. Same goes for Goldust. And Triple H has not been over as a heel given that he's been a babyface since what, 2005? This angle has actually made people boo him, something a lot of people thought was impossible. As for Cody... guess we'll see. |
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Post by angryfan on Nov 11, 2013 18:17:12 GMT -5
The Authority is doomed to fail because they don't have the quintessential heel force behind them like they did in Vinnie Mac. Say what you will, but that man possesses more charisma in his finger than HHH and Stephanie put together. They also dont have the forces of good against them like they did in Austin and later on, The Rock. Even the Corporation's "filler" feuds i.e. when pushing Mick Foley and such were great because of the talent behind them. The way the WWE is structured and the way creative is done now guarantees stagnation. We all know this is going to come down to John Cena "saving" the company or Vince half-heartedly stepping in as a babyface to ward off his diabolical daughter and son-in-law. Or worse, they go with a "divorce" angle (again) to get one of Steph/Hunter off of TV. Vince was just so good at all the levels of heeldom. It makes sense if you believe the stories where, when he first reconciled with his father all he wanted was to be a wrestler but his dad wouldn't allow it. So What did he do? He figured out, while commentating and announcing, how to mold a persona that was his own businessman side mixed with the classic heel. He was both the cowardly heel and the ruthless bastard, he would pull ever trick that Heenan or any other heel manager would, play the anti-Tunney to the hilt, run scared, talk smack, and at the end of a feud, get his ass handed to him but bump his ass off to make whomever he was in there with look like the baddest man walking. That way he could come out and talk smack more and also be indignant that yes he got destroyed but against a total badass who would then rue the day he was born for DARING to mess with Vince. He showed fear, he showed weakness, he got himself destroyed, bumped better than men half his age, talked people into the building, then delivered what the people paid for. Flair did that too. Frankly, that's what this angle needs. A heel that will talk smack, run scared, hide behind lackeys, and at the end of it all get absolutely demolished by the babyface. Even when Vince put the belt on himself, as much as you wanted to scream "ego trip" (and I did), you know that it would end with Vince wearing the crimson mask, having bumped like mad for 20 minutes and taking one hellacious ass kicking. That at least gave the angel a payoff and a purpose. We need that again. Wrestler A and Authority Figure A feud, it escalates, and even if Authority Figure A escapes physical damage week after week, something must happen to get under his skin. What we have with this is Wrelster A beginning a feud, being joined by Wrestler B, getting scrwed over by Authority Figure A and B along with lackeys A through like G, then feuding with heel group X while Wrestler B becomes the antagonist. Meanwhile we've seen lackeys A through G receive comeuppance, Authority Figure B is absolutely untouchable, and Authority Figure A is heading for a confrontation with Wrestler B that needs to build up. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 11, 2013 21:08:21 GMT -5
Except for The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Big Show, both Rhodes brothers, the Usos, Triple H as a heel... I know they were all varying degrees of over before, but come on. SHIELD were over even before the angle. Bryan has been deemphasised. Built up simply to be booked to fail. Big Show has been over since about 1995, so has Goldust, and HHH has been over as a heel for ages. The Usos have seen an improvement in their standing simply because WWE decided to actually have a tag team division. Cody has benefitted from it, but it probably won't last. I'd disagree about the "tag team division" part. More like the Usos have benefitted because the Shield were tag champs and had to defend the belts against SOMEONE than an actual revival of the division. |
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Post by Throwback on Nov 11, 2013 22:02:34 GMT -5
Kane is the new Kane
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Post by tekkenguy on Nov 11, 2013 23:33:05 GMT -5
Here's what I was thinking
Triple H - Vince McMahon
Stephanie McMahon - Shane McMahon
Randy Orton - The Rock
The Shield - Big Boss Man/Test/Ken Shamrock
Brad Maddox - Pat Patterson/Gerald Brisco
Kane - Sgt. Slaughter
The Wyatt Family - The Ministry of Darkness
Daniel Bryan/Big Show - Mankind
John Cena or CM Punk - Stone Cold Steve Austin
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Post by wwefan71080 on Nov 12, 2013 1:01:44 GMT -5
LMFAO bullSHIT Orton is the new Triple H and not the new Rock. Randy Orton youre correct on, and hes no Triple H either |
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