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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 15:44:38 GMT -5
Stephanie. Terrible on the mic. Screechy voice and it looks absurd for gigantic wrestlers to back down at the sight of a middle aged mother of three. She always has to play the alpha female, and it's even worse when she talks to a Diva, because then all of Stephanie's insecurities come out. This was my first thought, too. It looks ridiculous to have Stephanie absolutely owning legendary promo guys like Dusty Rhodes on the mic, or for her to intimidate monsters like Big Show.
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Post by jjdash on Nov 11, 2013 18:39:18 GMT -5
If you listen to Stone Colds podcast he often references this issue. There is a difference between talking shit at an opponent and building up the feud and taking shit at an opponent and lessening the impact of the feud.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 18:47:12 GMT -5
Umm...nobody's said The Rock yet? This isn't totally fair. The Rock showed more vulnerability in the ring to make up for this than most superfaces, he also lost more often to prove himself wrong. Plus he denigrated actual wrestling skill much less often than he did make fun of people's appearance, which isn't the same. Plus he didn't do the insider references. The Rock ALWAYS put his opponent over, people just tend to forget that he has said such about his opponents after/before adding in catchphrases/humour: CM Punk - greatest champion of the modern era John Cena - on par with Hogan/Steve Austin Steve Austin - needed to beat him at Wrestlemania 19 or else he couldn't sleep at night due to the concern he wasn't/couldn't be a better man or wrestler Foley - knew he'd have to half kill him to keep him down and retain/regain/win The only time that he ever skipped over that aspect was against people booked as cowards or fools, like Jericho was when he first appeared in WWE, and even then how many people can we name that it ruined? It's not a Triple H mocking Chris Masters post-steroid incident burial that's for sure.
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Post by percymania on Nov 11, 2013 22:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 11, 2013 22:11:32 GMT -5
Who was good at putting someone else over on the mic? Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan. They "got" that the bigger a threat you make your opponent look, the better you look when you win. HHH's approach is moronic beyond comprehension. He tells people they're not in his league. Then beats them, and proves his point, creating the allusion that they suck, and HHH just beat a guy who sucks, so his win means nothing either. Stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 23:31:23 GMT -5
Mick Foley always did a great job of putting over his opponent on the mic.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 11, 2013 23:31:43 GMT -5
Ironically I can't hardly think of a Rock promo where I felt he sold me on a match or an opponent, at least not before his Cena comeback matches. It was like the guy matured big time. But think back on his Billy Gunn promo and how viciously he buried Gunn and realize Rock could be a real jerk to guys not on his level. I mean the "Are you there God, it's me Billy" promo is a classic but did zero to build that match or make Gunn even look remotely decent. If the guy is over, it's trash talk. If the guy is dubiously over, it's burying.
That said, at least Rock's burials come off like trash talk. HHH's promos really come off as self serving political machinations that are inadvertently being aired on TV. The 2002 RVD promo was mentioned and to me that was really the beginning of the insecure, political HHH garbage we see to this day. At the time I remember his whole "Rob Van Dam is not main event material" interview and how pissed I was, and not in a good way. It's the sort of interview you should only do if that guy (RVD in this case) proves HHH wrong. I've come to realize that these promos from HHH are basically an extension of how Vince and the company in general feel about certain wrestlers and that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 11, 2013 23:52:12 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but guys like Punk and Triple don't "follow the script".
The idea is a promo is supposed to hype a match, make it seem important. All too often those guys feel like they have to get the last word in on a promo even after their upcoming opponent has said something intimidating that would be a good place to stop and hit the music before commercial, but the Triple H has to be the "cool heel" who isn't intimidated and Punk always has to make it look like he's fearless.
A little weakness from both guys could go a long way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 23:57:45 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but guys like Punk and Triple don't "follow the script". The idea is a promo is supposed to hype a match, make it seem important. All too often those guys feel like they have to get the last word in on a promo even after their upcoming opponent has said something intimidating that would be a good place to stop and hit the music before commercial, but the Triple H has to be the "cool heel" who isn't intimidated and Punk always has to make it look like he's fearless. A little weakness from both guys could go a long way. I thought Punk calling Ryback a "knuckle-dragging neanderthal" was ill-advised. He did half-heartedly say "he's a helluva competitor" or something, but he really just undercut the guy he was booked to beat that night. He's not as bad about these things as Triple H and showed a lot more weakness as a heel, but he could stand to make his heel opponents seem more worthy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 0:00:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I do think Punk at his worst really goes too far. Problem is, Punk at his worst is Hunner's normal and Hunner at his worst...
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 12, 2013 0:00:51 GMT -5
I put him in a category with punk in that they talk shit until they see the guy their facing is a legit threat and then put over the match and opponent. Cena wins here, Just watch his bullshit during the rock feed, The rock is bending over backwards to put over the match and how the antics need to be dropped, man to man etc etc and cena is standing there the whole time with a huge douche bag smile, laughing and shitting all over the segment. That bugged the hell out of me. Londond was fired for smiling during the Vince thing (which could've easily been interpreted as nervousness) and yet Cena craps on a Wrestlemania build with his stupid smirk. And what was the story coming out of that match? Cena took Rock lightly and thought he was a walking talking parody and paid for it. He didn't do any of the laughing stuff in the build to the second match.
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Post by Rave on Nov 12, 2013 0:13:32 GMT -5
Stephanie wrecks segments by talking down to everyone.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 12, 2013 1:47:28 GMT -5
That bugged the hell out of me. Londond was fired for smiling during the Vince thing (which could've easily been interpreted as nervousness) and yet Cena craps on a Wrestlemania build with his stupid smirk. And what was the story coming out of that match? Cena took Rock lightly and thought he was a walking talking parody and paid for it. He didn't do any of the laughing stuff in the build to the second match. They did turn it into a story but I'm talking about my reaction when it aired. It was only supposed to be the one time too.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 12, 2013 1:57:33 GMT -5
Not trying to derail the thread or anything but I never bought into the whole "burying your opponent on the mic" thing, if two guys are feuding and hate each other then I think they should absolutely rip each other apart on the mic, no "I respect your abilites" or anything like that but just absolute hatred. For example I know it is UFC but when Brock Lesnar faced Frank Mir, Mir absolutely showed bothing but disrespect towards Brock for being a "fake pro wrestler" but that didn't make me think any less of Brock or his skills and still made me want to see the fight. Carless put it better, but the rule of promos is not a blatant burial- UFC is difference since it 'is' a real fight. As the rule is always explained when people say it: If you say your opponent's a worthless piece of crap- you beat them, big whoop. You beat a worthless piece of crap. If they beat you- well, a worthless piece of crap just beat you, so you must REALLY suck.
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Post by Raskovnik on Nov 12, 2013 2:03:00 GMT -5
I can't stand when Punk does it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 2:23:59 GMT -5
Umm...nobody's said The Rock yet? Usually The Rock's formula is that he makes fun of his opponents in goofy childish insults in the first half of the promo like calling Cena Fruity Pebbles or CM Punk a Cookie Puss and when the promo get's heated in the second half he becomes serious like saying Cena is one of the greatest and how much he respects him or CM Punk is a dangerous man and acknowledges on how he knows Punk is dangerous when CM Punk knocked him out stone cold with his GTS at Raw 1000. Plus that promo he had against Austin before Vengeance 2001 was one of the best match hype promo's of how big their match would be. On how it's going to be bigger then Wrestlemania X-Seven and truly it's going to be an epic clash of the titans and how it's going to be biggest and best Austin vs. Rock match ever. Holy shit I remember being pissed off as a kid that I was going to miss Vengeance 2001 because I was sold there was going to be an epic Rock vs. Austin match for the Undisputed Championship and was really f***ing pissed off when I heard Jericho won it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who was disappointed because I'd imagine a lot of people bought a PPV to see a match that never happened. It was on par of Triple H not returning on the PPV despite being on the cover of the poster, being on the commercials, or how the PPV seemed to be named after him.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 12, 2013 2:42:27 GMT -5
The worst part about Stephanie talking down the guys is that there is no way they can ever truly get even with her. With their current ratings, they can't hurt a woman so they have to take it. But even if they could, congratulations, you just beat up a helpless woman. Whatever they do, it's a lose-lose situation.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 12, 2013 2:44:50 GMT -5
The worst part about Stephanie talking down the guys is that there is no way they can ever truly get even with her. With their current ratings, they can't hurt a woman so they have to take it. But even if they could, congratulations, you just beat up a helpless woman. Whatever they do, it's a lose-lose situation. Can't they just throw some food from catering on her, or spray her with a sewage truck, or strip her of her clothes and have her running away up the ramp in her underwear?
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 12, 2013 5:27:37 GMT -5
With The Rock, it's simply a case of there being a VERY small percentage of people who can keep up with him.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 12, 2013 5:55:42 GMT -5
The worst part about Stephanie talking down the guys is that there is no way they can ever truly get even with her. With their current ratings, they can't hurt a woman so they have to take it. But even if they could, congratulations, you just beat up a helpless woman. Whatever they do, it's a lose-lose situation. Can't they just throw some food from catering on her, or spray her with a sewage truck, or strip her of her clothes and have her running away up the ramp in her underwear? Stone Cold did it.
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