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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 12, 2013 16:01:42 GMT -5
Massive waste. Could have been much more. Never had the killer look that Goldberg had because there's just something inately goofy about Ryback, but WWE have botched this guy completely. I agree with this in some respects (he looks like a mountain troll from the Harry Potter movies), but I think its pretty clear now that the "newz" about him having heat is pretty much true. They basically went out of their way to bury him last night, first by jobbing him out and then having Heyman destroy him. It came across to me that the company has lost faith in him and its likely that he is as much to blame as anyone. He comes across as a massive idiot "in real life". The WWE is to blame in that they rushed him into the main event scene and then fed him to Cena after he was seemingly gaining a bit of momentum as a heel.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 12, 2013 17:25:54 GMT -5
that was the most blatant burial I've seen since "Billy Bitchcakes". I don't really understand it, either. it's not like Ryback's a terrible worker or irredeemably bad or anything. he's still salvageable, but I guess that's not going to happen if the top 3 faces in the company all don't want to work with you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 17:48:38 GMT -5
For me his only good moment was the raw after he attacked cena those promos were awesome they told a story of a man who had been let down and they should have stuck with that
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 12, 2013 18:48:21 GMT -5
I worry WWE is up a creek if Cena ever decides he is too burned out to be full time anymore or he gets some kind of Edge injury. From a what's good for business stand point I do not understand them demoting or putting down to the midcard guys who get themselves over and the constant need to push Boreton and ADR who no matter how many ppv headline matches,world titles and megapushes will never be credible top 2-3 guys able to carry a card.
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Post by Bootista on Nov 12, 2013 18:50:40 GMT -5
I find it hilarious. Never cared for Ryback
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 12, 2013 19:06:53 GMT -5
Well it's either 2 things in my opinion.
A) Ryback's ego go so large that it pissed off the higher ups so they are going to make him HUMBLE and hopes his ego goes away.
B) The WWE viewed Ryback as a novelty act and felt he didn't have the talent to be a consistent main eventer so they pushed him and extracted any value they could out of him headling before dropping him down to where he think he's suited best in the mid card.
Of course I forgot to mention the obscure 3rd option where the WWE is going to give Ryback a losing streak where he doubt if he will ever win again. Then the WWE brings back Goldberg to try to motivate him and challenges him to match at Mania to try to make the real Ryback come out again. Ryback wins the match with the jackhammer/spear combo. Then Ryback and Goldberg preform a fusion dance in the middle of the ring to form Super Sayain Goldberg and he goes on to demolish people in the ring for his career with his god like strength.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 12, 2013 19:11:57 GMT -5
I just want this to lead to another R-Truth push. Can we get an R-Truth push already? He's only one of the most charismatic guys on the roster, and the current Big Show push shows that early 40s isn't too old to get elevated up the card and treated like a huge deal.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 12, 2013 19:22:58 GMT -5
I say they go with the idea that I came up with back when he first started as Ryback. It's gold I tells ya!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 12, 2013 20:30:51 GMT -5
And all this happened simply because John Cena couldn't compete at Hell in a Cell last year...
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 12, 2013 21:47:54 GMT -5
This time last year Ryback was the hottest person in the company and was pinning WWE Champion CM Punk cleanly on Raw. WWE: Failing to build new stars since 2005 It's his own fault. He acts like an entitled jackass all the time in radio interviews and on twitter. He's the opposite of a guy like Miz, basically. That's why Miz will have a job long after Ryback is released.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 22:04:08 GMT -5
I don't even enjoy the guy but I can clearly see he's been done wrong. Putting him against Punk when it was obvious they were doing Punk/Rock at the Rumble was a mistake, but they could've recovered. Instead they just kicked more dirt on him.
Why does WWE kill off so many people? Are there too many cooks in the kitchen, and as a result always someone in power that doesn't like you? Are things micromanaged so heavily that no one is perfect enough? There's a lot of people who have been very over in the last several years that they have actively snuffed out, for whatever reason. Meanwhile, they'll push the shit out of a guy who gets zero reaction night in and night out.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 12, 2013 22:06:35 GMT -5
I like how Ryback was dumped by Heyman but yet Curtis Axel is still considered ok. I know he's the IC Champ but Punk has kicked his arse more than Ryback's I think. Which begs the question - why has CM Punk never received an IC title match? Probably the same reason Randy Orton beat Antonio Cesaro half a dozen times and yet never got a US title shot earlier this year. The same reason Randy Orton feuded with Disfigured Cody Rhodes for months on end and never bothered to go after the IC title in 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 22:06:49 GMT -5
Ryback was over as f*** going into Hell in a Cell, no amount of revisionist history can change that. How often do you get reactions so loud they shake the hard camera?
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Post by rybackrulez on Nov 12, 2013 22:21:29 GMT -5
The fans wanted ryback to be champion and beat punk so badly. That vince said, "screw the fans, they'll like who i tell them to like"
For all those people droning about wwe loving big guys, the last big guy wwe pushed to the main event was Batista and he stayed there because wwe wouldn't give up on him and they struck while the iron was hot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 22:26:04 GMT -5
This time last year Ryback was the hottest person in the company and was pinning WWE Champion CM Punk cleanly on Raw. WWE: Failing to build new stars since 2005 It's his own fault. He acts like an entitled jackass all the time in radio interviews and on twitter. He's the opposite of a guy like Miz, basically. That's why Miz will have a job long after Ryback is released. I know what you mean, but it's not like being Mr. Company Man is doing anything for Miz. He's gotten buried even worse than Ryback lately. That's going to dry up his PR value eventually, and then what? He'll become Matt Striker. A fate worse than death, to be sure.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 12, 2013 22:28:48 GMT -5
It's his own fault. He acts like an entitled jackass all the time in radio interviews and on twitter. He's the opposite of a guy like Miz, basically. That's why Miz will have a job long after Ryback is released. I know what you mean, but it's not like being Mr. Company Man is doing anything for Miz. He's gotten buried even worse than Ryback lately. That's going to dry up his PR value eventually, and then what? Go home to Maryse? Doesn't sound like a bad life to me
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Post by Chuck Conry on Nov 12, 2013 22:38:01 GMT -5
They HAD something with Ryback. He may night be a internet fan favorite overall, but the man was over as one could be once. I think all was well until Mania. Then they turned him only to have him lose the big one again to Cena.
I think turning him was the worst idea here. They could have skipped Del Rio's World Title run and had Ryback win the World Title before the rumble and saved everyone a lot of trouble. Then they could have still eventually gave the title to Del Rio with shady tactics or had Ziggler cash in on Ryback without killing Ryback's momentum.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 12, 2013 22:42:40 GMT -5
They HAD something with Ryback. He may night be a internet fan favorite overall, but the man was over as one could be once. I think all was well until Mania. Then they turned him only to have him lose the big one again to Cena. I think turning him was the worst idea here. They could have skipped Del Rio's World Title run and had Ryback win the World Title before the rumble and saved everyone a lot of trouble. Then they could have still eventually gave the title to Del Rio with shady tactics or had Ziggler cash in on Ryback without killing Ryback's momentum. Idk. At that point when Ryback was at his peak of overness, I think the World Title would've possible been a step down or as a consolation prize after failing to beat Punk for the big boy belt. He probably would've been better off either with one of the midcard titles, or with no gold at all. They should've kept him away from the Shield and found a different way to keep the belt on Punk. One that didn't involve Ryback being forced into a spot where he had to lose.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 12, 2013 23:37:55 GMT -5
I was more depressed by R-Truth teasing the Awesome Truth rap, and then it just...wasn't.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Nov 12, 2013 23:44:36 GMT -5
I just want to see Goldberg come in and squash him at WrestleMania. I've honestly never cared for him. He sucked then, he sucks now, he'll suck forever.
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