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Post by sportatorium on Nov 14, 2013 15:20:16 GMT -5
Or maybe even wrestling history even outside the WWE. The ones people tend to point to are this one and Demolition/PoP. However, as someone recently pointed out in the (w)rest section the Demolition/PoP one actually didn't make much sense. Can't find a complete documentation of it on youtube for you to watch. The Ted DiBiase/Dick Murodch double turn in Mid South is to this day one of my favorite things in wrestling. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 14, 2013 16:51:31 GMT -5
If you listened in the build up to the match, Vince would emphasise the popularity of Austin with 'some of the fans' and overstate Bret Hart's 'mixed reaction', despite the fact that Austin really wasn't getting that many cheers (besides than from what you'd expect from a 'cool heel') and Bret was still predominantly cheered - the level you'd expect of a babyface having been around forever. So I think people overstate the double-turn in terms of something that happened in that match.The audience were being pushed by WWE to accept Bret's declining popularity and Austin's increasing popularity for a good while already by that point I will never for the life of me understand why 1. Bret's actions leading up to that match were heel-worthy and 2. why passing out in a submission hold made Austin out to be the "toughest SOB alive". This was the first angle, as a fan, that I thought the so-called heel (Bret) was in the right. He was, but it was two things. A)They started putting him over as a whiner. and B)The audience was shifting and the cool heel was a thing. It was conditioning the audience, that's all. |
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Nov 14, 2013 17:02:34 GMT -5
If you listened in the build up to the match, Vince would emphasise the popularity of Austin with 'some of the fans' and overstate Bret Hart's 'mixed reaction', despite the fact that Austin really wasn't getting that many cheers (besides than from what you'd expect from a 'cool heel') and Bret was still predominantly cheered - the level you'd expect of a babyface having been around forever. So I think people overstate the double-turn in terms of something that happened in that match.The audience were being pushed by WWE to accept Bret's declining popularity and Austin's increasing popularity for a good while already by that point I will never for the life of me understand why 1. Bret's actions leading up to that match were heel-worthy and 2. why passing out in a submission hold made Austin out to be the "toughest SOB alive". This was the first angle, as a fan, that I thought the so-called heel (Bret) was in the right. Can't answer number one because it's a long time since I've seen the build up that match. But number two happened because Austin was a bloody mess in one of the most painful submission holds in the business at the time but despite all that he refused to tap out. He ended up passing out anyway but he wouldn't quit. He was too tough to quit. In a real fight it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do but in the wrestling world it's a very brave thing to do. |
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Post by spagett on Nov 14, 2013 19:28:50 GMT -5
Does Mankind/Rock at Survivor Series 98 count?
That worked out pretty well.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 14, 2013 19:31:37 GMT -5
If you listened in the build up to the match, Vince would emphasise the popularity of Austin with 'some of the fans' and overstate Bret Hart's 'mixed reaction', despite the fact that Austin really wasn't getting that many cheers (besides than from what you'd expect from a 'cool heel') and Bret was still predominantly cheered - the level you'd expect of a babyface having been around forever. So I think people overstate the double-turn in terms of something that happened in that match.The audience were being pushed by WWE to accept Bret's declining popularity and Austin's increasing popularity for a good while already by that point That's what makes it work so well, IMO; the fact that it was an angle planned out to reach this conclusion from the beginning. The fact that you can still find "smart" fans on the internet who'll declare that fan reactions forced WWF to turn Austin face here shows what a good job they did at working people. |
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Nov 14, 2013 20:21:13 GMT -5
I'm actually not up on this Noble/Palumbo feud, what happened there? I believe Michelle McCool was also involved and Palumbo just started being a jerk to her and Noble stood up for her. I'm not too sure though. McCool was involved with Palumbo and wasn't really interested in Noble, except Noble kept trying to impress her week after week with McCool growing gradually more interested as time went on. Palumbo started to get jealous and then attacked both Noble and McCool, with both guys turning heel and face respectively. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 14, 2013 20:51:04 GMT -5
Does Mankind/Rock at Survivor Series 98 count? That worked out pretty well. I think most people would argue that Mankind was already mostly babyface by that time, going possibly as far back as to when Kane turned on him at Summerslam. |
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 14, 2013 20:51:33 GMT -5
I still think the double turn between Steve Austin and Bret Hart is more a product of the business they would do in April (the Revenge of the 'Taker PPV and the street fight and ambulance beatdown on the next episode of Raw) than Wrestlemania 13 itself.
Wrestlemania 13 is to the double turn of Austin/Hart as Dolph Ziggler cashing in MITB on Alberto Del Rio is to their double turn: what people think is the double turn is in fact the beginning of the turn itself. Though history suggests that Austin didn't neatly turn face, but tweener. Remember, Austin really didn't get over with the crowd as a badass tweener until the summer. He ended up jobbing to the Undertaker at the May PPV and was doing some tag team stuff with Shawn Michaels in June.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 20:56:21 GMT -5
Snitsky and Kane was the best ever.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Nov 14, 2013 21:04:27 GMT -5
Jake Roberts/HTM though the guitar shot almost killed Jake Roberts
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 14, 2013 22:54:06 GMT -5
If you listened in the build up to the match, Vince would emphasise the popularity of Austin with 'some of the fans' and overstate Bret Hart's 'mixed reaction', despite the fact that Austin really wasn't getting that many cheers (besides than from what you'd expect from a 'cool heel') and Bret was still predominantly cheered - the level you'd expect of a babyface having been around forever. So I think people overstate the double-turn in terms of something that happened in that match.The audience were being pushed by WWE to accept Bret's declining popularity and Austin's increasing popularity for a good while already by that point I will never for the life of me understand why 1. Bret's actions leading up to that match were heel-worthy and 2. why passing out in a submission hold made Austin out to be the "toughest SOB alive". This was the first angle, as a fan, that I thought the so-called heel (Bret) was in the right. I hated that too. Austin cheated to win the Royal Rumble and screwed Bret a bunch of times. I warmed up to Austin like everyone else, but I didn't want to cheer him (I was like 8) for the longest time because of that. |
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