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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 14, 2013 8:53:40 GMT -5
Or maybe even wrestling history even outside the WWE. The ones people tend to point to are this one and Demolition/PoP. However, as someone recently pointed out in the (w)rest section the Demolition/PoP one actually didn't make much sense.
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Post by Modern Day Maharaja on Nov 14, 2013 8:54:26 GMT -5
Chuck Palumbo/Jamie Noble was a fun undercard feud.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Nov 14, 2013 8:56:02 GMT -5
Ziggler and Del Rio's double turn was fantastic.
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Post by CM Parish on Nov 14, 2013 8:56:43 GMT -5
Or maybe even wrestling history even outside the WWE. The ones people tend to point to are this one and Demolition/PoP. However, as someone recently pointed out in the (w)rest section the Demolition/PoP one actually didn't make much sense. I always forget the answer to this - Was X17's main event a double turn or were they both faces going into it?
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 14, 2013 9:14:26 GMT -5
Or maybe even wrestling history even outside the WWE. The ones people tend to point to are this one and Demolition/PoP. However, as someone recently pointed out in the (w)rest section the Demolition/PoP one actually didn't make much sense. I always forget the answer to this - Was X17's main event a double turn or were they both faces going into it? Both faces.
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Post by Chip on Nov 14, 2013 9:14:41 GMT -5
Del Rio/Ziggler was a pretty good double turn, Del Rio looked like he was gonna give Ziggler permanent damage and I was hoping the ref would end the match if only for Zigglers safety.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 14, 2013 9:19:01 GMT -5
If you listened in the build up to the match, Vince would emphasise the popularity of Austin with 'some of the fans' and overstate Bret Hart's 'mixed reaction', despite the fact that Austin really wasn't getting that many cheers (besides than from what you'd expect from a 'cool heel') and Bret was still predominantly cheered - the level you'd expect of a babyface having been around forever.
So I think people overstate the double-turn in terms of something that happened in that match.The audience were being pushed by WWE to accept Bret's declining popularity and Austin's increasing popularity for a good while already by that point
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Post by Germansuplex on Nov 14, 2013 9:19:20 GMT -5
Palumbo/Noble was cool because it showed the WWE listening to the fans for once. No one liked Palumbo, everyone rooted for Noble, so they turned them.
Kinda like Big Show/Mayweather. It was supposed to be David/Goliath, but then they gave Mayweather mic time and he came across as a douchebag.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Nov 14, 2013 9:54:50 GMT -5
Ziggler and Del Rio's double turn was fantastic. It really was, it was just the follow-up that sucked canal water. Logically speaking, Ziggler should've ended up firmly in the spot of at least #3 face in the company but instead he's working the PPV Pre-show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 10:02:53 GMT -5
Ziggler and Del Rio's double turn was fantastic. Pretty much. Just a shame they dropped the ball with both of them
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Post by Hawk Hart on Nov 14, 2013 10:08:31 GMT -5
I'm actually not up on this Noble/Palumbo feud, what happened there?
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Post by TGM on Nov 14, 2013 10:12:49 GMT -5
HHH and Chyna turning heel against Kane who turned face at Wrestlemania 15?
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Nov 14, 2013 10:35:49 GMT -5
Ziggler and Del Rio's double turn was fantastic. It was, though later sullied by the fact it lead to diddly-squat.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2013 11:21:26 GMT -5
Ziggler and Del Rio's double turn was fantastic. Pretty much. Just a shame they dropped the ball with both of them Shouldn't have turned Del Rio. He was pretty over as a face and seemed to be rejuvinated after being a stale as shit heel for the previous year and a half
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Nov 14, 2013 11:43:58 GMT -5
Or maybe even wrestling history even outside the WWE. The ones people tend to point to are this one and Demolition/PoP. However, as someone recently pointed out in the (w)rest section the Demolition/PoP one actually didn't make much sense. I always forget the answer to this - Was X17's main event a double turn or were they both faces going into it? Both faces.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Nov 14, 2013 12:22:25 GMT -5
If you listened in the build up to the match, Vince would emphasise the popularity of Austin with 'some of the fans' and overstate Bret Hart's 'mixed reaction', despite the fact that Austin really wasn't getting that many cheers (besides than from what you'd expect from a 'cool heel') and Bret was still predominantly cheered - the level you'd expect of a babyface having been around forever. So I think people overstate the double-turn in terms of something that happened in that match.The audience were being pushed by WWE to accept Bret's declining popularity and Austin's increasing popularity for a good while already by that point While what you say is true, that match was the official moment of the double turn. Like you said, Austin didn't get too many cheers in his entrance, but by the end pretty much the whole crowd was going insane for Austin and booing the shit out of Bret.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 14, 2013 12:40:41 GMT -5
HHH and Chyna turning heel against Kane who turned face at Wrestlemania 15? That was a mess more than anything.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 14, 2013 13:33:02 GMT -5
I loved the Ziggler/Del Rio double turn, but it was the ball drop afterward that sucked.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Nov 14, 2013 14:08:09 GMT -5
If you listened in the build up to the match, Vince would emphasise the popularity of Austin with 'some of the fans' and overstate Bret Hart's 'mixed reaction', despite the fact that Austin really wasn't getting that many cheers (besides than from what you'd expect from a 'cool heel') and Bret was still predominantly cheered - the level you'd expect of a babyface having been around forever. So I think people overstate the double-turn in terms of something that happened in that match.The audience were being pushed by WWE to accept Bret's declining popularity and Austin's increasing popularity for a good while already by that point I will never for the life of me understand why 1. Bret's actions leading up to that match were heel-worthy and 2. why passing out in a submission hold made Austin out to be the "toughest SOB alive". This was the first angle, as a fan, that I thought the so-called heel (Bret) was in the right.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 14, 2013 15:09:33 GMT -5
I'm actually not up on this Noble/Palumbo feud, what happened there? I believe Michelle McCool was also involved and Palumbo just started being a jerk to her and Noble stood up for her. I'm not too sure though.
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