amaron
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Post by amaron on Nov 19, 2013 17:50:54 GMT -5
Rybully is awesome. It's just that they have a bad habit of feeding most of the heels to the top faces.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 17:57:12 GMT -5
From the OP I think Ryback vs. Lesnar is more likely....but does Lesnar want to do that? Unless they start right NOW and build Ryback up for Mania, he's not going to be in a strong enough position to look like a threat to Brock, meaning the match won't have enough steam behind it to justify Brock's check. And I don't know how Brock operates in terms of putting people over, but I'd think he'd realize that losing to the guy who's been made to look like crap all of 2013 is going to hurt him as a draw.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Nov 19, 2013 18:01:09 GMT -5
I'm just amazed at how badly WWE can drop the ball on a guy who was last year one of the most over guys they had in a long time.
They dropped the ball, then when they went to pick the ball up, their depth perception completely missed the ball, they felt around for the ball, was able to get a hand on it, before dropping it again. They then took the ball, and took an enormous shit on it. They then took the shit ball, popped the ball, dropped it off the highest mountain into the deepest ocean.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 18:03:23 GMT -5
I'm just amazed at how badly WWE can drop the ball on a guy who was last year one of the most over guys they had in a long time. They dropped the ball, then when they went to pick the ball up, their depth perception completely missed the ball, they felt around for the ball, was able to get a hand on it, before dropping it again. They then took the ball, and took an enormous shit on it. They then took the shit ball, popped the ball, dropped it off the highest mountain into the deepest ocean. This makes me want Ryback to start inexplicably yelling the phrase "DOES IT SINK OR DOES IT FLOAT!?" during his matches. Especially since around here it will definitely be interpreted as talking about a turd.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Nov 19, 2013 18:09:29 GMT -5
Now I know it's newz, because Ryback's done the spear/jackhammer combo more than once in the past few weeks.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 19, 2013 18:39:53 GMT -5
I love the constant new reports on what's going on with Ryback, because it's a situation that's so weird it feels like SOMETHING has to be going down backstage, and people want to know what.
I mean, the dirt sheets get most of their hits by making up crap about how pushed and protected guys like Punk and Bryan are totally being held down and buried because they know the sort of people who want think they're in the know on SPECIAL INSIDER INFO lap that stuff up, and now we've got a guy who was at least as over as both of them who really is undisputably being undermined by his booking. And the usual smarkbait cliches (he's not big enough, he came through indies instead of the WWE machine) don't apply to Ryback at all, so they have to be creative in thinking up reasons to explain this.
Hell, I'm not sure the "He's sloppy and unsafe in the ring" one even works, because they've repeatedly put him in extended matches with Cena, who you'd think is the last guy in the world WWE would want to risk injuring.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 18:42:44 GMT -5
The world needs the team of RyBacklund.
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 19, 2013 18:44:07 GMT -5
This sounds to me like Alvarez thinking out loud. This would have really impressed me if he would have reported this BEFORE WWE had Heyman come out on TV and trash Ryback and BEFORE Ryback spoke out against Heyman and BEFORE Ryback had a competitive match with Big Show where he picked him up for the Shell Shock.
To me, you don't need inside contacts and information to see that WWE might turn Ryback babyface again.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 19, 2013 18:55:58 GMT -5
I can't believe they wasted Ryback giving Big Show that shellshock...which he kicked out of, on top of that. Perhaps that's part of his doghouse punishment? Seems kind of stupid to do since THEY'RE the ones who aren't going to be able to make money off him in the future if this keeps up. Bullyback with Paul Heyman had potential to go way farther than it did, too; so many missed opportunities with the big guy.
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Professor Chaos
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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 19, 2013 19:43:25 GMT -5
That's what you get for throwin your weight around.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 19, 2013 20:05:55 GMT -5
From the OP I think Ryback vs. Lesnar is more likely....but does Lesnar want to do that? Unless they start right NOW and build Ryback up for Mania, he's not going to be in a strong enough position to look like a threat to Brock, meaning the match won't have enough steam behind it to justify Brock's check. And I don't know how Brock operates in terms of putting people over, but I'd think he'd realize that losing to the guy who's been made to look like crap all of 2013 is going to hurt him as a draw. Brock would job to JTG if you put enough zeroes on his check.
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Sparkybob
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 19, 2013 20:18:41 GMT -5
All I say as a man with no inside sources, Ryback really had to piss off upper management. This isn't a case where the WWE unknowingly buried a guy thinking how they were booking him well when in fact it was making him look terrible.
This is a case where the WWE intentionally just decide that this man wasn't going to be a legit main eventer with them. Either due to his supposed backstage attitude, or the fact that the WWE really didn't think he had the wrestling skills to produce quality main event matches.
So I don't think this is a case of the WWE unintentionally botching the creation of a new star (Like Orton in 2004) this feels more like a case where the WWE never wanted this guy to be a main eventer.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 19, 2013 20:23:44 GMT -5
From the OP I think Ryback vs. Lesnar is more likely....but does Lesnar want to do that? Unless they start right NOW and build Ryback up for Mania, he's not going to be in a strong enough position to look like a threat to Brock, meaning the match won't have enough steam behind it to justify Brock's check. And I don't know how Brock operates in terms of putting people over, but I'd think he'd realize that losing to the guy who's been made to look like crap all of 2013 is going to hurt him as a draw. All good points except for one bit. I honestly don't think Brock cares about his perception as a draw. He knows Vince will pay him a large paycheck, and that's what he's in it for. And I got no real problem with that at all, I'm just saying I don't think Brock buys into the typical wrestler thing of caring who he faces and/or loses to, to the extent that he ever did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 20:33:06 GMT -5
From the OP I think Ryback vs. Lesnar is more likely....but does Lesnar want to do that? Unless they start right NOW and build Ryback up for Mania, he's not going to be in a strong enough position to look like a threat to Brock, meaning the match won't have enough steam behind it to justify Brock's check. And I don't know how Brock operates in terms of putting people over, but I'd think he'd realize that losing to the guy who's been made to look like crap all of 2013 is going to hurt him as a draw. Brock would job to JTG if you put enough zeroes on his check. From the OP I think Ryback vs. Lesnar is more likely....but does Lesnar want to do that? Unless they start right NOW and build Ryback up for Mania, he's not going to be in a strong enough position to look like a threat to Brock, meaning the match won't have enough steam behind it to justify Brock's check. And I don't know how Brock operates in terms of putting people over, but I'd think he'd realize that losing to the guy who's been made to look like crap all of 2013 is going to hurt him as a draw. All good points except for one bit. I honestly don't think Brock cares about his perception as a draw. He knows Vince will pay him a large paycheck, and that's what he's in it for. And I got no real problem with that at all, I'm just saying I don't think Brock buys into the typical wrestler thing of caring who he faces and/or loses to, to the extent that he ever did. I agree on these things, but does Lesnar have a deal where he makes the same amount no matter what? I know he'll have a high guarantee but I'd think he gets paid more if the show draws better and he's considered a big part of it. Losing to JTG, for example, would hurt his value in terms of big matches down the road. If he truly is about the money, and I'm sure he is, he's gotta care about the value of a Brock Lesnar Match.
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