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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 9:20:04 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite aspects of guys like Randy Savage, Mr. Perfect, Ric Flair, and Bret Hart. Face or heel, their characters pretty much stayed very similar, it was just the motivations the changed.
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Post by amaron on Nov 18, 2013 9:35:16 GMT -5
This is kinda why I LIKED the reign of terror and the two-man power trip.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 18, 2013 13:13:04 GMT -5
But that's what a heel is supposed to do. Be cowardly and cheat. The worst heels are those that thing "Sod it, I'm still going to look amazing" I'm thinking of something that rhymes with Stiple Taitch. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 18, 2013 13:23:43 GMT -5
I know it's hard to swallow "bad ass killing heel too" but it's believable when some do both sides of the coin.
Hogan even kind of makes sense because he was getting older. But when young dudes, like a Ryback or Sheamus who have been murdering people do it, that takes some getting used to. They don't have to remain unstoppable but having them revert to giant Ric Flair people is weird too.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 18, 2013 16:09:05 GMT -5
As with most things it's all in the execution.
As mentioned previously, Hogan's turn was near perfect; the crowds had been turning against him, the "power of Hulkamania" had left him, and as he said in his heel turn promo, "I'm BORED, brother!"...which indicated that he was done living the honest lifestyle, done working hard for his titles, and ready to live it up as Hollywood.
But like it was also said, when you've got a guy like Ryback it's almost inexcusable. There's no suspension of disbelief when a guy who can tear apart the competition as a face just a few months ago suddenly turns into a simpering coward. If you don't build up to it and have a logical execution then the whole thing is an utter waste.
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Post by hossfan on Nov 18, 2013 16:58:04 GMT -5
I don't think its that hard to rationalize Ryback's descent into wussiness. He was a bully who got punched in the mouth by someone tougher than him and it stayed in his head, and that effected his performance in the ring.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 19, 2013 0:04:18 GMT -5
I don't think its that hard to rationalize Ryback's descent into wussiness. He was a bully who got punched in the mouth by someone tougher than him and it stayed in his head, and that effected his performance in the ring. I just want to clarify. Do you mean as far back as the Sheild? |
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Post by hossfan on Nov 19, 2013 0:11:12 GMT -5
I don't think its that hard to rationalize Ryback's descent into wussiness. He was a bully who got punched in the mouth by someone tougher than him and it stayed in his head, and that effected his performance in the ring. I just want to clarify. Do you mean as far back as the Sheild? No, I'm talking about after his heel turn (which made no sense, granted) and his matches with Cena. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 19, 2013 0:13:44 GMT -5
I just want to clarify. Do you mean as far back as the Sheild? No, I'm talking about after his heel turn (which made no sense, granted) and his matches with Cena. Well the Sheild were the ones bullying him and drove him to his mania. The fact that he was getting his ass handed to him by them and then took on Mark Henry showed that he had weakness. Attacking Cena THEN becoming a coward doesn't seem to flow. |
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Post by hossfan on Nov 19, 2013 0:17:26 GMT -5
No, I'm talking about after his heel turn (which made no sense, granted) and his matches with Cena. Well the Sheild were the ones bullying him and drove him to his mania. The fact that he was getting his ass handed to him by them and then took on Mark Henry showed that he had weakness. Attacking Cena THEN becoming a coward doesn't seem to flow. I don't really think losing to the Shield and Henry made him look especially weak. Certainly nothing like what happened to him later, where he's tapping out to Miz's shin kicks. |
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