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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 4:23:45 GMT -5
I'm re-watching stuff from 2008 right now. Edge was fantastic. I took him for granted, because he was all over everything all the time, and after his achilles injury and return he was never really the same. But there is not one heel in WWE right now that is on his level. He managed to be entertaining and completely slimy and hateable all at once.
Is there anyone on the roster right now, or maybe on NXT, that can grow into that role? To me, Dean Ambrose has potential but he hasn't really been a singles force yet, so it's hard to gauge if he'll be able to be a top heel in WWE. Damien Sandow has, or HAD, a really good character that could be funny but it's also fun to see him get his ass kicked. Bo Dallas's weird heel who thinks he's a face schtick is interesting, but how will that translate onto the main shows without that built in NXT Zone hatred?
Other than those guys there's really not many potential top heels I'm seeing right now.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 16, 2013 4:27:31 GMT -5
Was Punk not like that last year?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 4:31:21 GMT -5
Was Punk not like that last year? He had too much goodwill with the fans, the turn never did take. One of the most forced turns I've ever seen, he was only a face for a year before it happened. It could've worked if he was a face for a 2-3 years and his fan support started to die out a bit, but his reactions were only getting louder when it happened. And now that he got to that point where simply leaving for 6 weeks and returning made him a face again, I can't see him turning heel again before he retires. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 4:40:35 GMT -5
I find Triple H to be a very unlikeable entertaining heel. Granted he is a part time wrestler now. I kind of wish The Miz was the corporate champion because he would play the slimy pretty corporate boy with stylish suits who had everything handed to him on the silver platter and his mic duels with DB and segments with HHH or Stephanie would be better
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 16, 2013 4:59:00 GMT -5
Where have all bad men gone
The ones that mock the gods?
Where’s the street-wise Hades
To stop Cena beating the odds?
Isn’t there a black knight to make the faces bleed?
Late at night I toss and turn and dream of what I need
I need a heel
I’m holding out for a heel ‘til the end of the night
He’s gotta do wrong
And he’s gotta flee fast
And he’s gotta cheat in the fight
I need a heel
I’m holding out for a heel on a Monday night
He’s gotta be sure
And it’s gotta be soon
And he’s gotta be larger than life
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 16, 2013 6:16:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 7:14:42 GMT -5
Was Punk not like that last year? He made me want to change the channel most of the time, and I like him. |
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Post by papagiorgio on Nov 16, 2013 8:04:37 GMT -5
The Miz. He was pretty over as a heel and can be again.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 16, 2013 8:09:11 GMT -5
The Miz. He was pretty over as a heel and can be again.  |
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Post by Chip on Nov 16, 2013 8:19:47 GMT -5
I genuinely feel like Wade could have been a solid, despised heel if given the chance. He's big enough that he could easily be built as a threat, he can hold his own on the stick and he's English. I fear he may be a bit too damaged now but hopefully the time he's had away will be enough to heal any wounds.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 16, 2013 8:23:46 GMT -5
And we won't have one with HHH as the dominant heel. Before with evil bosses they were cowardly corporate bullies, who had underlings they pushed to do their dirty work. They would find the baddest meanest guys to be their go to. Trips is the ass-kicker, the game, the cerebral assassin, the king of kings, the collector of ego stroking nicknames and he isn't going to give that up to make himself look inferior and have someone else rise up to be the big bad for the hero. Orton was already pushed hard and Trips couldn't sell him. Now we got rebranded monster Kane but that has a shelf life about as long as milk left out of the refrigerator. Trips' avatars don't exist because he can't get the job done, they exist because he's not putting on trunks unless it's a big PPV and everybody knows that.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 16, 2013 9:09:00 GMT -5
Punk was actually a pretty terrible heel. Fans refused to boo him to the point that he tried to be as shocking as possible, and it still didn't work. Not completely his fault, but from a reaction standpoint he wasn't a good heel.
Mark Henry is the last great heel we've had.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 16, 2013 9:22:43 GMT -5
they're really TRYING with Orton, but the problem is he isn't charismatic enough to pull it off. damn shame because his last bigg heel run in 2009 was fantastic.
it also hurts that Triple H won't let go of his ego and actually be an evil authority figure who routinely looks clownish. *beats dead horse*
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 16, 2013 9:24:10 GMT -5
Was Punk not like that last year? He had too much goodwill with the fans, the turn never did take. One of the most forced turns I've ever seen, he was only a face for a year before it happened. It could've worked if he was a face for a 2-3 years and his fan support started to die out a bit, but his reactions were only getting louder when it happened. And now that he got to that point where simply leaving for 6 weeks and returning made him a face again, I can't see him turning heel again before he retires. it also didn't help that a lot of fans agreed with him about being ignored in spite of being on fire at the time. then he just went lazy as hell and became Cheap Heat Punk. I think he'd given up on even sincerely trying to get booed anymore by about November. |
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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 9:29:14 GMT -5
Agree we are heel light. It's why it annoys me that anyone who's big is more often than not booked as a dancing/singing joke.
Had the writers today booked WM3, Hogan wouldn't be facing a monster, he'd be facing someone who would have spent the last 7 weeks of TV time dressing up in different women's outfits because the writers think "Funny is money".
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 16, 2013 9:36:19 GMT -5
Agree we are heel light. It's why it annoys me that anyone who's big is more often than not booked as a dancing/singing joke. Had the writers today booked WM3, Hogan wouldn't be facing a monster, he'd be facing someone who would have spent the last 7 weeks of TV time dressing up in different women's outfits because the writers think "Funny is money". I blame it on The Rock and to a lesser extent Chris Jericho and Mick Foley. they were all hilarious on the mic and very successful, so WWE equates being funny with being a big star. that's why we get shit like trying to turn Sheamus into some kind of stand-up comedian when it doesn't suit him at all. |
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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 9:37:33 GMT -5
Agree we are heel light. It's why it annoys me that anyone who's big is more often than not booked as a dancing/singing joke. Had the writers today booked WM3, Hogan wouldn't be facing a monster, he'd be facing someone who would have spent the last 7 weeks of TV time dressing up in different women's outfits because the writers think "Funny is money". I blame it on The Rock and to a lesser extent Chris Jericho and Mick Foley. they were all hilarious on the mic and very successful, so WWE equates being funny with being a big star. that's why we get shit like trying to turn Sheamus into some kind of stand-up comedian when it doesn't suit him at all. I think it's down to having writers, producers and owners who deep down regret that they don't write/produce general viewing shows for NBC. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 16, 2013 9:42:37 GMT -5
I blame it on The Rock and to a lesser extent Chris Jericho and Mick Foley. they were all hilarious on the mic and very successful, so WWE equates being funny with being a big star. that's why we get shit like trying to turn Sheamus into some kind of stand-up comedian when it doesn't suit him at all. I think it's down to having writers, producers and owners who deep down regret that they don't write/produce general viewing shows for NBC. that's also probably true. say what you will about Triple H (and I've said plenty about his on-screen persona) I get the sense that for him at least, wrestling isn't a dirty word he'll spend the next 20 years convincing people who don't watch his show anyways that he's not involved in. |
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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 9:48:48 GMT -5
I think it's down to having writers, producers and owners who deep down regret that they don't write/produce general viewing shows for NBC. that's also probably true. say what you will about Triple H (and I've said plenty about his on-screen persona) I get the sense that for him at least, wrestling isn't a dirty word he'll spend the next 20 years convincing people who don't watch his show anyways that he's not involved in. When his own character isn't involved he could have an old-school mentality which could lead to the creation of some stronger characters. However his involvement over the years of thinking two, balding, 40+ millionaires, one a born again Christian and the other Executive VP of the company could pull off two 'anti-establishment' characters and have everyone in stitches by their "Vince loves cock" innuendo, which is both lame and subtly homophobic - it doesn't really bode awfully well that he's not going to fall into the same trap of thinking that jokes 12 year olds in 1997 would find a bit passe, are going to sell tickets. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 16, 2013 9:54:58 GMT -5
They tried to turn Punk into that character but the crowd simply didn't want to boo him.
Bobby Roode is the perfect example of this over in TNA. You can acknowledge that he's entertaining but even then, you still realize that he's a complete asshole that deserves his comeuppance.
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