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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 16, 2013 16:01:07 GMT -5
The sharpshooter looks the coolest. I cannot by any means say it hurts more than the other three, but it just has a nice look to it that can make me go "OH MY GOOOOOD IT'S THE SHARPSHOOTER."
The Yes Lock and co...eh, I'm sure they hurt in real life or whatever, but they just don't look cool.
Though very few people could make the sharpshooter look as cool as Bret. And by very few, I mean none. The man just had so much swagger when using it, like he we was going "YUP. I WIN. SHARPSHOOTER." I can't really explain it. I didn't grow up watching him wrestle, but from dvds and all that...he just made it look like something else. The Yes Lock comes the closest in terms of "atmosphere" but even it is missing something.
Punk's vice has a feel to it where even he doesn't think it's gonna work. Del Rio's submission also literally only works against the wheel of aggression, which is too bad, because his elaborate setup for it and the times he just sort of clings on to the arm midair before going to the ground straight to the submission looks really cool. But it almost never works, so it misses that "special" feeling too.
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Post by Cela on Nov 16, 2013 16:15:42 GMT -5
The one treated the best of those listed is Del Rio's move, but he does it very wrong, granted stage fighting, but... guh.
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Post by Cela on Nov 16, 2013 16:19:08 GMT -5
Even though I don't like ADR and the cross armbreaker isn't an exciting wrestling move, it's the only one of the 4 that's a practical and dangerous move. I'm sure most people here have seen quite a few MMA fights where it gained a submission win. Or if you train in martial arts (several styles) it's often a hold you'll learn. Also, if someone puts one on you properly, there's no sitting around in it for a few seconds before deciding it's time to tap. You'll know within about 1/2 a second. To be fair, the Vice is a proper BJJ move and sucks to be in, it's just that it's ridiculously hard to lock in compared to other subs you can get from that position. I just assume the people who are voting are taking the other users of the Sharpshooter into account, because yeah, it's certainly the most effective by that measuring stick. The Vice is a BJJ move in the same way a can opener is a BJJ move. Yes, it hurts but it's highly ineffective on anyone who knows what they are doing.
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Post by Talent Name on Nov 16, 2013 16:19:20 GMT -5
Surprised to say this but other Figure Four
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 16, 2013 16:39:13 GMT -5
To be fair, the Vice is a proper BJJ move and sucks to be in, it's just that it's ridiculously hard to lock in compared to other subs you can get from that position. I just assume the people who are voting are taking the other users of the Sharpshooter into account, because yeah, it's certainly the most effective by that measuring stick. The Vice is a BJJ move in the same way a can opener is a BJJ move. Yes, it hurts but it's highly ineffective on anyone who knows what they are doing. Oh, I know, you'd have to have your opponent pretty much unconscious in order for them not to just wriggle out, but nevertheless, it's a legitimate hold. I meant in comparison to some submissions you see, in wrestling, which if you attempted to apply in any form of proper fight would probably just gain you some weird looks from your opponent.
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Post by Lila on Nov 16, 2013 17:00:25 GMT -5
Other: Brock Lesnar's kimura That shit breaks arms. The Kimura Lock f***s up your shoulder, not your arm. I don't know why WWE went with saying the arms.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 16, 2013 17:10:46 GMT -5
Other: Brock Lesnar's kimura That shit breaks arms. The Kimura Lock f***s up your shoulder, not your arm. I don't know why WWE went with saying the arms. Yeah, if they said Triple H had his shoulder popped or something rather than his arm break, his recovery would've been a lot more believable. I suppose broken arm sounds more dramatic though.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 16, 2013 17:18:27 GMT -5
Surprised to say this but other Figure Four Because Miz doesn't do the move properly. David freakin' Flair can do it better than Miz.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 16, 2013 17:28:54 GMT -5
I think I'd least like to take the armbar, just because I have a huge fear of my arm being broken for some reason.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 16, 2013 17:36:36 GMT -5
I started Judo earlier this ear and have seen most of these in action at least once. The cross is the only that that really puts me in panic mode when someone is in the process of locking it in, so I'm going with that.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 16, 2013 17:57:56 GMT -5
I started Judo earlier this ear and have seen most of these in action at least once. The cross is the only that that really puts me in panic mode when someone is in the process of locking it in, so I'm going with that. The only thing worse than Armbars IMO is Kneebars, as you can't feel the pain until it's popped, so I'm always worried I won't tap because I'll be like "It's not on tight, I can get out!" and end up having the tendons go or something. But yeah, armbars suck. Damn you Chris Jericho, you're a monster with all your armbars!
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 16, 2013 18:02:18 GMT -5
Surprised to say this but other Figure Four Because Miz doesn't do the move properly. David freakin' Flair can do it better than Miz. Maryse sometimes did the Figure Four back when she was wrestling, and it looked more impressive than Miz's.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 16, 2013 18:03:41 GMT -5
Practically, the armbar of course. You can snap that thing on from anywhere and the effects (namely submission victory) are almost immediate. Still, though, I'd count the Sharpshooter as the most devastating, simply in it being a spine lock. armbars and omoplatas are painful, but at worst, they can tear your arm out your socket. Spine locks, on the other hand, can carry a risk of spinal damage, which means paralysis as a possibility.
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Post by celticjobber on Nov 16, 2013 18:08:41 GMT -5
Other: AJ's Black Widow
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 16, 2013 19:47:49 GMT -5
Eh. I'm going to assume you're more saying this as a fan rather than actually thinking it looks painful, because honestly, it's not too impressive. She may as well just crank their arm normally.
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Post by H-Virus on Nov 16, 2013 20:43:49 GMT -5
I really don't understand the Anaconda Vice. I'm sure that it hurts, but the guy's head is right there, you know? What's to stop the victim from just punching the f*** out of his head with his free arm until he lets go?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 23:28:14 GMT -5
I really don't understand the Anaconda Vice. I'm sure that it hurts, but the guy's head is right there, you know? What's to stop the victim from just punching the f*** out of his head with his free arm until he lets go? It's a blood choke, so in theory even with the loose arm there shouldn't be much activity. Kinda like how there's nothing stopping you from punching someone in the nuts when they have you in a front face lock/guillotine choke. Of course in wrestling, where people sit in submissions for 2 minutes, it's kinda goofy.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 16, 2013 23:51:25 GMT -5
Crippler crossface.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 0:07:24 GMT -5
I really don't understand the Anaconda Vice. I'm sure that it hurts, but the guy's head is right there, you know? What's to stop the victim from just punching the f*** out of his head with his free arm until he lets go? If I'm not mistaken it's basically a Jiu-jitsu hold that puts pressure on the arteries in the neck leading to blackout in seconds if not broken.
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Post by H-Virus on Nov 17, 2013 0:19:04 GMT -5
I see. Whenever I see Punk use it, it always seems like he's just twerking the arm, I never really noticed the neck.
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