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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 21:49:15 GMT -5
Her and HHH make all of the other heels in the company look weak and watered down. I think it's part of the reason why it's so hard for guys to get consistent heat.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 17, 2013 22:32:03 GMT -5
Both Levesques are marks for their own characters.
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Post by Lila on Nov 17, 2013 23:08:46 GMT -5
Even though she needs to get her ass beat, I still love Stephanie. No shame.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 18, 2013 0:51:08 GMT -5
My guess is that both of them have rationalised justifications for putting themselves over, no matter who suffers in the process.
HHH probably thinks that by making himself look strong, people get a rub just by interacting with him.
He's wrong.
Stephanie most likely thinks that by presenting herself as a strong businesswoman who takes no shit, this might appeal to other women, and they might start watching the show and encourage their daughters to do so, in order to a see a strong female role model.
She's wrong too.
But of course they live in a bubble, where no one will EVER tell them they are wrong.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 18, 2013 1:37:20 GMT -5
Stephanie most likely thinks that by presenting herself as a strong businesswoman who takes no shit, this might appeal to other women, and they might start watching the show and encourage their daughters to do so, in order to a see a strong female role model. I think this leads to another problem. WWE probably thinks that presenting Steph as a strong business woman will get them positive reception which means they don't need to give a shit about the divas division which is why it's a mess. |
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Nov 18, 2013 2:40:36 GMT -5
remember that E-Fed you used to play when you were kid, and that you left in rage because the owner was always putting over his own shitty scenarios and refused your good ideas to favour his friends' weak wrestlers?
You were so pissed that you decided to start your own e-fed, but it turned out to be a total flop because it was too much work, so you decided to play in another new e-fed with another terrible and selfish owner but tried to have a little fun by accepting that it would mostly suck?
Well, the WWE is one big E-Fed and Vince/Trips/Steph are the terrible and selfish owners.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 18, 2013 3:04:42 GMT -5
remember that E-Fed you used to play when you were kid, and that you left in rage because the owner was always putting over his own shitty scenarios and refused your good ideas to favour his friends' weak wrestlers? You were so pissed that you decided to start your own e-fed, but it turned out to be a total flop because it was too much work, so you decided to play in another new e-fed with another terrible and selfish owner buy tried to have a little fun by accepting that it would mostly suck? Well, the WWE is one big E-Fed and Vince/Trips/Steph are the terrible and selfish owners. I'm glad this thread was therapy for somebody. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 7:07:31 GMT -5
Both HHH and Stephanie appear to be very insecure about themselves, Stephanie in particular. I guess inheriting the company makes it easier to manufacture your own place in history (HHH) or your own self-importance (Stephanie), but it comes off as two people who want to get off on themselves rather than help the company.
If Facebook was around when Stephanie was a teenager, I'm guessing she would be the one with body issues who would post pictures of herself in revealing clothes so that her friends could like it and comment on how great she looked. Then again, she pretty much did that on Smackdown already (bending over on a table for no reason, etc).
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Post by fortknox on Nov 18, 2013 11:52:31 GMT -5
Both HHH and Stephanie appear to be very insecure about themselves, Stephanie in particular. I guess inheriting the company makes it easier to manufacture your own place in history (HHH) or your own self-importance (Stephanie), but it comes off as two people who want to get off on themselves rather than help the company. If Facebook was around when Stephanie was a teenager, I'm guessing she would be the one with body issues who would post pictures of herself in revealing clothes so that her friends could like it and comment on how great she looked. Then again, she pretty much did that on Smackdown already (bending over on a table for no reason, etc). I can believe that. Stephanie has said the reason she got implants was she saw a sign that said, "Stephanie has saggy boobs." |
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Post by sunnytaker on Nov 18, 2013 12:32:09 GMT -5
best we can hope for i think as far as steph getting hers would be having a bowl of punch dumoped on her or someone's birthday cake in her face. don't see her getting any in-ring comeuppance at this point.
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Post by Lila on Nov 18, 2013 12:35:15 GMT -5
Both HHH and Stephanie appear to be very insecure about themselves, Stephanie in particular. I guess inheriting the company makes it easier to manufacture your own place in history (HHH) or your own self-importance (Stephanie), but it comes off as two people who want to get off on themselves rather than help the company. If Facebook was around when Stephanie was a teenager, I'm guessing she would be the one with body issues who would post pictures of herself in revealing clothes so that her friends could like it and comment on how great she looked. Then again, she pretty much did that on Smackdown already (bending over on a table for no reason, etc). I can believe that. Stephanie has said the reason she got implants was she saw a sign that said, "Stephanie has saggy boobs."  And she still has them after getting the implants. She should have gotten a breast LIFT instead or do push-ups/pull-up to naturally lift them. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 18, 2013 13:27:38 GMT -5
the amount of insecurity that woman radiates is hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 13:27:42 GMT -5
In lieu of Stephcrap, I've found a method that helps a little.
Here's hoping people get this method and don't think I've watched too much wrestling where I'm losing grip on reality consider me an immeasurable genius of wrestling.
I quarantine off any of the bits of the show involving Stephanie and Hunner.
In my mind, there's the WWE Universe (Universe 316) where most of the other wrestlers reside.
There's the CeNation Dimension where John Cena is king, infallible and is the law. This momentarily collides with Universe 316 where entertaining matches and some semblance of order reside. This crossover makes a weird universe where characters are warped, logic is broken and all non-John Cena based momentum is used as fuel to power the CeNation Dimension with John Cena as its center and power source.
Problematically, the proximity of Universe 316 to the CeNation Dimension means qualities of the CeNation Dimension still bleed into Universe 316, the halting of all non-John Cena Based momentum for instance.
Now you get to what I will call, Levesque's Quadrant. It works under the same principles as the CeNation Dimension except the momentum that would've gone to John Cena goes to Hunner and Stephanie. What makes it more potent than the CeNation Dimension is laws and continuity are retroactively bent to provide fuel for the center, the center being Hunner and Stephanie. Levesque's Quadrant could theoretically appear in any part of Universe 316, but is concentrated on the brightest parts of Universe 316 ("the main event"). Unfortunately, the things that happen inside of Levesque's Quadrant are less likely to result in the entertaining matches one could find in Universe 316 or even the CeNation Dimension.
Levesque's Quadrant, being many times smaller than the CeNation Dimension, is easier to ignore and easier to spot.
Thus, anything in Levesque's Quadrant can easily be excised from canon.
Or frankly, Hunner and Steph only get the "big" angles. Since they only get the big angles, their bullshit is less likely to affect the things I might find entertaining that usually occur in the undercard. The only solace I get is their bullshit almost always stops the moment they aren't on-screen. Apparently, Stephanie doesn't see much point to get herself over if she isn't on-screen. I act like their angles, matches and general bullshittery don't exist.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 18, 2013 13:35:31 GMT -5
In lieu of Stephcrap, I've found a method that helps a little. Here's hoping people get this method and don't think I've watched too much wrestling where I'm losing grip on reality consider me an immeasurable genius of wrestling. Any theories as to why scientists seem more intent to focus on the effects of Levesque's Quadrant and the Cenation Dimension on Universe-316 as opposed to studying and observing Universe-316 as its own entity?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 13:49:12 GMT -5
In lieu of Stephcrap, I've found a method that helps a little. Here's hoping people get this method and don't think I've watched too much wrestling where I'm losing grip on reality consider me an immeasurable genius of wrestling. Any theories as to why scientists seem more intent to focus on the effects of Levesque's Quadrant and the Cenation Dimension on Universe-316 as opposed to studying and observing Universe-316 as its own entity? Concentration. The CeNation Dimension has a higher concentration than Universe 316, so it's easier to notice something is wrong. Levesque's Quadrant has the highest concentration and drastically warps past history. If they were stars in the sky, Universe 316 would be the stars you normally see with a fair amount of brightness. The CeNation Dimension would be smaller, but you'd notice it because they shine very brightly. Levesque's Quardrant would be even smaller, but it's so bright it would burn the eyes out of your skull. Y'all are a buncha ENABLERS!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 13:55:33 GMT -5
Both HHH and Stephanie appear to be very insecure about themselves, Stephanie in particular. I guess inheriting the company makes it easier to manufacture your own place in history (HHH) or your own self-importance (Stephanie), but it comes off as two people who want to get off on themselves rather than help the company. If Facebook was around when Stephanie was a teenager, I'm guessing she would be the one with body issues who would post pictures of herself in revealing clothes so that her friends could like it and comment on how great she looked. Then again, she pretty much did that on Smackdown already (bending over on a table for no reason, etc). It gave us Stephanie McMahon in her prime in a mini-skirt. What more reason do you want?  |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 18, 2013 13:56:17 GMT -5
Both HHH and Stephanie appear to be very insecure about themselves, Stephanie in particular. I guess inheriting the company makes it easier to manufacture your own place in history (HHH) or your own self-importance (Stephanie), but it comes off as two people who want to get off on themselves rather than help the company. I f Facebook was around when Stephanie was a teenager, I'm guessing she would be the one with body issues who would post pictures of herself in revealing clothes so that her friends could like it and comment on how great she looked. Then again, she pretty much did that on Smackdown already (bending over on a table for no reason, etc). |
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 18, 2013 14:09:02 GMT -5
Stephanie most likely thinks that by presenting herself as a strong businesswoman who takes no shit, this might appeal to other women, and they might start watching the show and encourage their daughters to do so, in order to a see a strong female role model. I think this leads to another problem. WWE probably thinks that presenting Steph as a strong business woman will get them positive reception which means they don't need to give a shit about the divas division which is why it's a mess. Indeed. By doing so, they ignore the facts that the people most likely to appeal to a female audience, especially a younger one, are Divas, and not the mean girls, or the fake titted bimbos, but in particular the tomboyish Divas. Lita did it. She appealed to one in particular called AJ Lee, who is now appealing to girls in her own right. I've seen loads of pictures of girls dressing like AJ, posing for photos with her, and getting her autograph. I never see little girls dressing in pant suits and dreaming about one day being able to slap people across the face. Bottom line, a bitch is a bitch. That's what Stephanie's character is. It has no chance whatsoever of getting over with women, some of whom probably work for women like that, and hate their guts. |
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Post by ICBM on Nov 18, 2013 15:11:15 GMT -5
I want her to eat a finisher REALLY badly. And this is why she is doing it. It is why it is working and why she is right to do it. This is heat 101 guys. You have got to build heels to feed baby faces. An entire generation of wwe fans never gave Stephanie heat BC she was gone. She has to build this heat so that when she does lose to baby face, gets taken over in an interview or takes a finish during a brawl. She will put someone over. Her dad did it, her brother did it and as mentioned here, her husband did it. Be patient and let the story play out a bit. The more she does it, the more heat she gets, the greater the impact when someone finally nails her with the finish or beats her. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 18, 2013 15:27:09 GMT -5
I want her to eat a finisher REALLY badly. And this is why she is doing it. It is why it is working and why she is right to do it. This is heat 101 guys. You have got to build heels to feed baby faces. An entire generation of wwe fans never gave Stephanie heat BC she was gone. She has to build this heat so that when she does lose to baby face, gets taken over in an interview or takes a finish during a brawl. She will put someone over. Her dad did it, her brother did it and as mentioned here, her husband did it. Be patient and let the story play out a bit. The more she does it, the more heat she gets, the greater the impact when someone finally nails her with the finish or beats her. Except that will probably never happen. The Levesque style of booking is to build anger against the heel....then the heel wins. |
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