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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 15:28:24 GMT -5
It's not really that far from her real life persona most likely, Stephanie is the daughter of a nouveau riche business couple--yes, Vince was fortunate that his father was a big time promoter but for a long time Vince had to fight and struggle for everything that he had. I doubt that Stephanie has ever really had to earn anything in her life or face any real adversity on her own so whenever someone makes criticisms of her she reacts like a petulant child with a sense of entitlement based on her last name and bank account. I'm by no means a psychologist and I could be way off and she's just really great at playing the character, but I doubt it. I don't have high hopes for the WWE once Vince passes on, I think that HHH is great and he's done some good things in relations to NXT, the Performance Center, bringing in guys/girls that should have been huge stars, and working out deals with Bruno and so forth, but one has to figure that he has been heavily involved in the creative direction of the main angle and it has been garbage for the most part and Stephanie doesn't have a clue in regards to creative. Just my ¢.02.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 18, 2013 15:38:23 GMT -5
I want her to eat a finisher REALLY badly. And this is why she is doing it. It is why it is working and why she is right to do it. This is heat 101 guys. You have got to build heels to feed baby faces. An entire generation of wwe fans never gave Stephanie heat BC she was gone. She has to build this heat so that when she does lose to baby face, gets taken over in an interview or takes a finish during a brawl. She will put someone over. Her dad did it, her brother did it and as mentioned here, her husband did it. Be patient and let the story play out a bit. The more she does it, the more heat she gets, the greater the impact when someone finally nails her with the finish or beats her. that might mean something if I believed for a moment Pantsuit McGee would actually let it happen.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 18, 2013 15:38:37 GMT -5
And this is why she is doing it. It is why it is working and why she is right to do it. This is heat 101 guys. You have got to build heels to feed baby faces. An entire generation of wwe fans never gave Stephanie heat BC she was gone. She has to build this heat so that when she does lose to baby face, gets taken over in an interview or takes a finish during a brawl. She will put someone over. Her dad did it, her brother did it and as mentioned here, her husband did it. Be patient and let the story play out a bit. The more she does it, the more heat she gets, the greater the impact when someone finally nails her with the finish or beats her. Except that will probably never happen. The Levesque style of booking is to build anger against the heel....then the heel wins. Dave Batista, Bill Goldberg, Randy Randy Orton, The Rock, Bobby Lashley(I didn't care for him either just sayin), Steve Austin, CM Punk(SS angle didn't have a match but got over Vince) etc etc. all thee above went over either HHH or Vince McMahon. Those men owed a good portion of their success to working and going over the McMahon family. It happens. I'm asking to be patient and watch to see. If and when it happens I will not be a dick and say I told you so.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 18, 2013 15:41:36 GMT -5
Except that will probably never happen. The Levesque style of booking is to build anger against the heel....then the heel wins. Dave Batista, Bill Goldberg, Randy Randy Orton, The Rock, Bobby Lashley(I didn't care for him either just sayin), Steve Austin, CM Punk(SS angle didn't have a match but got over Vince) etc etc. all thee above went over either HHH or Vince McMahon. Those men owed a good portion of their success to working and going over the McMahon family. It happens. I'm asking to be patient and watch to see. If and when it happens I will not be a dick and say I told you so. Vince was willing to put people over. HHH occasionally does but has sabotaged some major angles in recent years. Shane undermined people all the time by making them sell for the boss' fat son. Stephanie is detrimental to pretty much everyone she interacts with.
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Post by héad.casé on Nov 18, 2013 16:24:24 GMT -5
For someone that admires her Father so much, I wish she'd just take a page from his book and see that Vince realised the babyface had to win out in the end. Look at all the major angles Vince has been in. Did he win out in the end in any of them? No he didn't. Was he willing to make himself look stupid to put that babyface over? Yes (even Lashley. God he tried so hard with Lashley)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 16:35:08 GMT -5
For someone that admires her Father so much, I wish she'd just take a page from his book and see that Vince realised the babyface had to win out in the end. Look at all the major angles Vince has been in. Did he win out in the end in any of them? No he didn't. Was he willing to make himself look stupid to put that babyface over? Yes (even Lashley. God he tried so hard with Lashley) www.youtube.com/watch?v=b03xiugLMTk'Do we love Bobby?' NO!
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Nov 18, 2013 16:40:31 GMT -5
Dave Batista, Bill Goldberg, Randy Randy Orton, The Rock, Bobby Lashley(I didn't care for him either just sayin), Steve Austin, CM Punk(SS angle didn't have a match but got over Vince) etc etc. all thee above went over either HHH or Vince McMahon. Those men owed a good portion of their success to working and going over the McMahon family. It happens. I'm asking to be patient and watch to see. If and when it happens I will not be a dick and say I told you so. Vince was willing to put people over. HHH occasionally does but has sabotaged some major angles in recent years. Shane undermined people all the time by making them sell for the boss' fat son. Stephanie is detrimental to pretty much everyone she interacts with. Shane was at least entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 16:47:18 GMT -5
I want for Steph to take all of HHH's mannerisms and call herself The Game Stephanie McMahon, then berate HHH on camera whenever he comments on it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 17:05:48 GMT -5
Vince was willing to put people over. HHH occasionally does but has sabotaged some major angles in recent years. Shane undermined people all the time by making them sell for the boss' fat son. Stephanie is detrimental to pretty much everyone she interacts with. Shane was at least entertaining. Yeah, it's crazy how Shane would do shit like that. Then in one of those matches Shane had against Legacy, Shane would try to throw those punches again. He threw one against Orton. Orton reeled back, held his face, quickly tagged out and legit looked like he wasn't going to come back in the match. Either Orton was really hamming it up or at that point Shane was only capable of either whiffing punches completely or tagging you in the face for real.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 18, 2013 21:29:23 GMT -5
Dave Batista, Bill Goldberg, Randy Randy Orton, The Rock, Bobby Lashley(I didn't care for him either just sayin), Steve Austin, CM Punk(SS angle didn't have a match but got over Vince) etc etc. all thee above went over either HHH or Vince McMahon. Those men owed a good portion of their success to working and going over the McMahon family. It happens. I'm asking to be patient and watch to see. If and when it happens I will not be a dick and say I told you so. Vince was willing to put people over. HHH occasionally does but has sabotaged some major angles in recent years. Shane undermined people all the time by making them sell for the boss' fat son. Stephanie is detrimental to pretty much everyone she interacts with. Shane let people whip the shit out of him. Kurt angle and Kane damn near killed that guy. He did that out of love for the biz and it did what it was supposed to do, drew interest and money and gave talent a rub. Look, I'm just pointing out wrestling basics and saying that given time what I wrote about is likely to happen. People get fired up over one segment on RAW or on a PPV and decide to jump off the cliff. They come back next week largely in part to the hook that got laid in by whatever segment that was. I think that is what is happening here. If I am wrong, I will come in here and say I am wrong. But logic and history suggests I have a valid point and waiting and watching will likely pay off
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Post by Starshine on Nov 18, 2013 21:39:35 GMT -5
Vince was willing to put people over. HHH occasionally does but has sabotaged some major angles in recent years. Shane undermined people all the time by making them sell for the boss' fat son. Stephanie is detrimental to pretty much everyone she interacts with. Shane let people whip the shit out of him. Kurt angle and Kane damn near killed that guy. He did that out of love for the biz and it did what it was supposed to do, drew interest and money and gave talent a rub. Look, I'm just pointing out wrestling basics and saying that given time what I wrote about is likely to happen. People get fired up over one segment on RAW or on a PPV and decide to jump off the cliff. They come back next week largely in part to the hook that got laid in by whatever segment that was. I think that is what is happening here. If I am wrong, I will come in here and say I am wrong. But logic and history suggests I have a valid point and waiting and watching will likely pay offAre you sure? I'm still waiting for Triple H to give Punk his win back like everyone said he would.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 18, 2013 23:53:27 GMT -5
Shane let people whip the shit out of him. Kurt angle and Kane damn near killed that guy. He did that out of love for the biz and it did what it was supposed to do, drew interest and money and gave talent a rub. Look, I'm just pointing out wrestling basics and saying that given time what I wrote about is likely to happen. People get fired up over one segment on RAW or on a PPV and decide to jump off the cliff. They come back next week largely in part to the hook that got laid in by whatever segment that was. I think that is what is happening here. If I am wrong, I will come in here and say I am wrong. But logic and history suggests I have a valid point and waiting and watching will likely pay offAre you sure? I'm still waiting for Triple H to give Punk his win back like everyone said he would. Looks like it really hurt him. I mean, he is never on TV. You never see a t shirt of his for sale. Never on PPV. I mean dang they just buried him and left him an unperson. Ok, I'll drop the sarcasm. I did not expect him to beat the rock. There was more money in Rock v Cena II. I did not see Punk v HHH so if he lost I cannot make an argument for how he lost and was or was not diminished directly because of it. I will say though, if he lost to HHH it has not hurt him at all. He has not been buried.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 19, 2013 0:02:21 GMT -5
Are you sure? I'm still waiting for Triple H to give Punk his win back like everyone said he would. Looks like it really hurt him. I mean, he is never on TV. You never see a t shirt of his for sale. Never on PPV. I mean dang they just buried him and left him an unperson. Ok, I'll drop the sarcasm. I did not expect him to beat the rock. There was more money in Rock v Cena II. I did not see Punk v HHH so if he lost I cannot make an argument for how he lost and was or was not diminished directly because of it. I will say though, if he lost to HHH it has not hurt him at all. He has not been buried. CM Punk persevering despite an atrocious booking decision doesn't render said atrocious booking decision any less ridiculous and unjustifiable in the first place. And while I agree with Shane/Angle being great, Kane/Shane almost derailed Kane's heel turn momentum. He shouldn't have had to sell and fluke out cheap wins over a paunchy, frat boy when he had been given new life as a reinvigorated monster and top heel at the time.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 19, 2013 0:11:31 GMT -5
**** it I'm outta here. The Stephanie hate is too strong for my arguments. I yield
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Post by Dang! on Nov 19, 2013 0:21:34 GMT -5
Reading this I know why I pretty much don't watch WWE anymore. Everything about her is hateable and she'll write herself out of it without any deserved comeuppance. Deserved would be Big Show chokeslamming her into a dumpster and that's not gonna happen, so f*** this whole show until next year or so when she's hopefully gone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 0:29:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty much of the opinion that Stephanie has for many years been one of the most consistently grating, horrible characters I can ever think of in wrestling. And based on what all's known about her, it doesn't particularly seem to be a gimmick.
Also, the Angle / Shane match... I only first saw it a couple of months ago. Liked it a lot, but one issue I had with it was that it dragged a fair bit. They should've just made it falls count anywhere and had it end after the glass spot.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 19, 2013 0:34:40 GMT -5
If Stephanie eats a Divas finisher, and I mean any Diva, be it a Bella or any of the Total Divas girls or even f***ing Rosa Mendes. If any Divas, past or present, gets to humiliate Steph like Triple H will eventually, I'll eat a...nacho cheese hat.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Nov 19, 2013 3:42:05 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon is her own Mary Sue. Fixed
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Nov 19, 2013 4:07:19 GMT -5
Unless this ends up with any of the Divas getting a rub from kicking her arse this is really just going to end up as another case of a McMahon showing off how great they think they are.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 19, 2013 4:14:06 GMT -5
Vince was willing to put people over. HHH occasionally does but has sabotaged some major angles in recent years. Shane undermined people all the time by making them sell for the boss' fat son. Stephanie is detrimental to pretty much everyone she interacts with. Shane let people whip the shit out of him. Kurt angle and Kane damn near killed that guy. He did that out of love for the biz and it did what it was supposed to do, drew interest and money and gave talent a rub. Look, I'm just pointing out wrestling basics and saying that given time what I wrote about is likely to happen. People get fired up over one segment on RAW or on a PPV and decide to jump off the cliff. They come back next week largely in part to the hook that got laid in by whatever segment that was. I think that is what is happening here. If I am wrong, I will come in here and say I am wrong. But logic and history suggests I have a valid point and waiting and watching will likely pay off By all reasonable logic, Kurt Angle and Kane should have killed Shane McMahon in about five minutes. He wasn't a wrestler, wasn't in good shape, and when up against an Olympic gold medallist and a supernatural monster, he should have been dead. Logic and history supports Levesque domination over whoever they are involved with. The payoffs just don't come. Both husband and wife have set precedents for avoiding them. It's not just about getting fired up over one segment, but rather experience of years of WWE's product.
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