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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Nov 19, 2013 10:21:46 GMT -5
I think the Wolves would be an great addition to the tag divison or both could be great single competitors, and people seem to forget back when he was in ROH, Bryan Danielson was constantly called bland and too small for the WWE, now look at him, so never say never. But anyone who ever watched a single Danielson match or promo knew that was wrong. People who obsess over the indies constantly bemoan over Richard's style and attitude. He's a big fish in a small pond, from what I've seen of him I don't see him fitting in the WWE style.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 19, 2013 12:13:27 GMT -5
Besides the two incidents already mentioned... There is also the entire Evolve situation. A company of Gabe Sapolsky's he was going to start with a fellow named Bryan Danielson. Well this Bryan fellow gets signed to the E. Davey is unhappy and bitching about RoH and Gabe liked him so he decides to bring Davey in as the face of the company and a partial owner. Davey signs on to do a show with RoH on Wrestlemania weekend when DGUSA/Evolve were running a show also without telling any of his business partners until they read about it. This wasn't just Davey screwing a promoter over for cash, it was Davey screwing a business partner over for cash. Oh and it should be noted that just the year before and part of the reason he wanted out of RoH was at the ROH Wrestlemania weekend shows Davey got in trouble because he was alotted ten minutes for a match and since he thought he was better than ten minutes he went about 18 and threw a fit. Then he insisted on a microphone to say that's what Ring of Honor is all about, because he was pissed at the direction the company was taking post Gabe. You see a show shouldn't be just about the money if it cuts into Davey's greatness, but then again if Davey decides to screw you over for money you have to realize it's just a business. Davey is the poster boy for self delusional mark. I mean people say Bret or Hogan are marks for themselves but at least they have some reason to be self marks. Davey just beats up kids or goes off script to f*** up the show for everyone else to prove himself. wrong. Davey did not screw over Dragon Gate USA (there were no EVOLVE shows that weekend), Gabe Sapolsky did. DGUSA, which was created to showcase the Dragon Gate wrestlers in America, announced Davey, the hottest wrestler in ROH at the time, and The Young Bucks, who were still working regularly for ROH, as the first three wrestlers signed to compete for the DGUSA WrestleMania weekend shows several months in advance as basically a "F*** YOU!" to ROH. Davey was under an ROH contract at the time, and ROH was willing to allow him to compete on both the ROH and DGUSA shows that weekend, but Gabe Sapolsky, butthurt about being fired from ROH, was not and said he could compete only for DGUSA that weekend. having their hand forced, ROH offered Davey a raise to sign a longer contract with ROH (which did and does run a hell of a lot more frequently than DGUSA, EVOLVE and FIP put together) and in exchange he'd pull out of the Dragon Gate USA shows that weekend. Sapolsky, being double butthurt now, dropped him not only from DGUSA, but also from EVOLVE, which they were not partners of. all Gabe had to do was agree to let him compete for ROH as well that weekend, and instead tried to get into a dick measuring contest with ROH and lost (in addition Davey & The Bucks, he also offered discounts to people who already bought tickets for the ROH shows to come to the DGUSA shows instead) and its his fault, not Davey's, that Davey Richards left DGUSA and EVOVLE. That's the Davey story, but how can RoH have their hand forced if he was already under contract? And yes Davey was offered a partial stake and was well aware of how DGUsa/Evolve were going to be booked. Paint it as butt-hurt Gabe if you want but it seems that the only people that cry that are the Teddy Hart, LowKi's and Davey's of the world while the CM Punk's and Bryan Danielson's have never said a bad word. Davey leveraged Gabe to get his way in RoH. I mean he was pissed about the direction of the company and went out of his way to show it just the year before at mania weekend in a totally unprofessional manner, so sorry if Davey's plea's of professionalism don't sell with me or most people. He's found lame excuses way to many times.
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Post by froggyfrog on Nov 19, 2013 14:19:02 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of either but both do have talent. Hopefully they get picked up. They've been around long enough to deserve a shot and if they get signed it'd open up some spots in PWG and ROH
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 19, 2013 14:27:05 GMT -5
Besides the two incidents already mentioned... There is also the entire Evolve situation. A company of Gabe Sapolsky's he was going to start with a fellow named Bryan Danielson. Well this Bryan fellow gets signed to the E. Davey is unhappy and bitching about RoH and Gabe liked him so he decides to bring Davey in as the face of the company and a partial owner. Davey signs on to do a show with RoH on Wrestlemania weekend when DGUSA/Evolve were running a show also without telling any of his business partners until they read about it. This wasn't just Davey screwing a promoter over for cash, it was Davey screwing a business partner over for cash. Oh and it should be noted that just the year before and part of the reason he wanted out of RoH was at the ROH Wrestlemania weekend shows Davey got in trouble because he was alotted ten minutes for a match and since he thought he was better than ten minutes he went about 18 and threw a fit. Then he insisted on a microphone to say that's what Ring of Honor is all about, because he was pissed at the direction the company was taking post Gabe. You see a show shouldn't be just about the money if it cuts into Davey's greatness, but then again if Davey decides to screw you over for money you have to realize it's just a business. Davey is the poster boy for self delusional mark. I mean people say Bret or Hogan are marks for themselves but at least they have some reason to be self marks. Davey just beats up kids or goes off script to f*** up the show for everyone else to prove himself. wrong. Davey did not screw over Dragon Gate USA (there were no EVOLVE shows that weekend), Gabe Sapolsky did. DGUSA, which was created to showcase the Dragon Gate wrestlers in America, announced Davey, the hottest wrestler in ROH at the time, and The Young Bucks, who were still working regularly for ROH, as the first three wrestlers signed to compete for the DGUSA WrestleMania weekend shows several months in advance as basically a "F*** YOU!" to ROH. Davey was under an ROH contract at the time, and ROH was willing to allow him to compete on both the ROH and DGUSA shows that weekend, but Gabe Sapolsky, butthurt about being fired from ROH, was not and said he could compete only for DGUSA that weekend. having their hand forced, ROH offered Davey a raise to sign a longer contract with ROH (which did and does run a hell of a lot more frequently than DGUSA, EVOLVE and FIP put together) and in exchange he'd pull out of the Dragon Gate USA shows that weekend. Sapolsky, being double butthurt now, dropped him not only from DGUSA, but also from EVOLVE, which they were not partners of. all Gabe had to do was agree to let him compete for ROH as well that weekend, and instead tried to get into a dick measuring contest with ROH and lost (in addition Davey & The Bucks, he also offered discounts to people who already bought tickets for the ROH shows to come to the DGUSA shows instead) and its his fault, not Davey's, that Davey Richards left DGUSA and EVOVLE. The whole EVOLVE thing with Davey has always been fishy. They were hyping EVOLVE to be built around Davey, and after the main event Davey put over how awesome it would be... then he came out and signed a new ROH exclusive contract that prevented him from working IPPVs. But whatever side you believe the pettiness was on both sides. Before Adam Cole and Kyle O'Riley were ROH exclusive, they were told not to work EVOLVE but they could work DUSA if they really wanted to. Both wanted to work for Gabe so they worked a DUSA show and ROH flipped shit because even though they said it was okay they assumed Cole/O'Riley would get that it was implied that they didn't want them anywhere near Gabe. Either way it's been a pissing match between the WWN Crew and ROH for awhile, sometimes Gabe is in the wrong sometimes ROH is.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 19, 2013 14:33:45 GMT -5
I think the Wolves would be an great addition to the tag divison or both could be great single competitors, and people seem to forget back when he was in ROH, Bryan Danielson was constantly called bland and too small for the WWE, now look at him, so never say never. To be fair, Bryan took the time to improve his look by bulking up. Late U.S. Title run to early WHC Bryan's look was perfect (although I'm partially biased due to my massive man crush on the guy). I'd admit that Davey does have a better "look" than Bryan (at the time that Bryan came into the company), but I think his reputation will hold him back further than being "small" would (Most of the main event and upper midcard guys with the exception of Cena, Orton, and all the super heavyweight monsters like Show, Kane, etc. are all cruiserweights). At least CM Punk waited until he was near the top and indisposable to start being a massive unlikeable dick
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 14:37:10 GMT -5
I think the Wolves would be an great addition to the tag divison or both could be great single competitors, and people seem to forget back when he was in ROH, Bryan Danielson was constantly called bland and too small for the WWE, now look at him, so never say never. But anyone who ever watched a single Danielson match or promo knew that was wrong. People who obsess over the indies constantly bemoan over Richard's style and attitude. He's a big fish in a small pond, from what I've seen of him I don't see him fitting in the WWE style. In addition anyone with a clue could see that Danielson, Punk and Joe were going to be stars, they had that it factor that people just wanted to see. Davey doesn't have that at all. If they bring him in he'll wash out after a few months, I have no doubt of it.
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Post by froggyfrog on Nov 19, 2013 14:49:28 GMT -5
But anyone who ever watched a single Danielson match or promo knew that was wrong. People who obsess over the indies constantly bemoan over Richard's style and attitude. He's a big fish in a small pond, from what I've seen of him I don't see him fitting in the WWE style. In addition anyone with a clue could see that Danielson, Punk and Joe were going to be stars, they had that it factor that people just wanted to see. Davey doesn't have that at all. If they bring him in he'll wash out after a few months, I have no doubt of it. Apparently neither does Joe
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Nov 19, 2013 14:51:10 GMT -5
wrong. Davey did not screw over Dragon Gate USA (there were no EVOLVE shows that weekend), Gabe Sapolsky did. DGUSA, which was created to showcase the Dragon Gate wrestlers in America, announced Davey, the hottest wrestler in ROH at the time, and The Young Bucks, who were still working regularly for ROH, as the first three wrestlers signed to compete for the DGUSA WrestleMania weekend shows several months in advance as basically a "F*** YOU!" to ROH. Davey was under an ROH contract at the time, and ROH was willing to allow him to compete on both the ROH and DGUSA shows that weekend, but Gabe Sapolsky, butthurt about being fired from ROH, was not and said he could compete only for DGUSA that weekend. having their hand forced, ROH offered Davey a raise to sign a longer contract with ROH (which did and does run a hell of a lot more frequently than DGUSA, EVOLVE and FIP put together) and in exchange he'd pull out of the Dragon Gate USA shows that weekend. Sapolsky, being double butthurt now, dropped him not only from DGUSA, but also from EVOLVE, which they were not partners of. all Gabe had to do was agree to let him compete for ROH as well that weekend, and instead tried to get into a dick measuring contest with ROH and lost (in addition Davey & The Bucks, he also offered discounts to people who already bought tickets for the ROH shows to come to the DGUSA shows instead) and its his fault, not Davey's, that Davey Richards left DGUSA and EVOVLE. That's the Davey story, but how can RoH have their hand forced if he was already under contract? And yes Davey was offered a partial stake and was well aware of how DGUsa/Evolve were going to be booked. Paint it as butt-hurt Gabe if you want but it seems that the only people that cry that are the Teddy Hart, LowKi's and Davey's of the world while the CM Punk's and Bryan Danielson's have never said a bad word. Davey leveraged Gabe to get his way in RoH. I mean he was pissed about the direction of the company and went out of his way to show it just the year before at mania weekend in a totally unprofessional manner, so sorry if Davey's plea's of professionalism don't sell with me or most people. He's found lame excuses way to many times. This is significant if not for another point. Vince hates unprofessionalism. What I tell the kids I teach is the things you do on a small scale are the things you do on a large one. Vince has cultivated a certain ethos in The E. You work like him, or you don't work. That's another reason why they don't want to hire indy guys...many of them have a chip on their shoulders in a negative way. You have a right to be self-determinant and proud of doing things on your terms --anyone would praise that, including Vince himself. What people fail to realize in life sometimes is that attitude has a ceiling. That's why guys like Low-Ki get fired within two months of a major push, and guys like Yoshi Tatsu are still around. It depends on how ego-centered you are. Some guys squabble with promoters, get involed in the minutae of the indy scene, bitch about getting fifty of the promised two-hundred fifty; then some guys are Punk, Bryan, Ambrose, et al. To a big-picture businessman like Vince, even the hint of anything like that equates to no-showing an autograph session at a ballpark the night before a house show, or, on Media Day, being a half-an-hour late to a morning radio show appearance without talent relations knowing in advance. If the pre-show production meeting in the lockeroom is at 4:00, and its 3:55, and you're not there, you're late. If Davey is just going to be Davey, then they'll be handing Eddie a contract quicker than shit. Earl Hebner got fired for committing two sins, being unprofessional and effing with Vince's money. (O.k., the venial in is being unprofessional and the mortal one is effing with Vince's money, but go with me here.) Look at what happened to Cesaro's first attempt to get into The E, not being honest about his visa. You are not allowed to report to Titan Towers until all your booking commitments are fulfilled --that's one of Vince's hard rules. Remember, it took about two months to develop the Rhodes Brothers angle because Dustin was booked two months out. Again, Vince's mindset is: if you have no probelms stiffing a small-time promoter, you have no problems stiffing me. I assume Vince does his homework. I'm kind of surprised that Davey is even getting an extended shot with all the baggage associated with him. If any of the controversy surrounding Davey is true, then I hope he does get the shit beaten out of him by Bill. Then, I hope he has to prove something to Billy Gunn, someone I'm positive Davey thinks is beneath him, and can't teach him anything. Then, we'll see if the American Wolves will hunt in The E. P.S.: To add some momentum to this, Davey cut a "final" promo at a house show here in Columbus last Saturday, so expect them both to be at The Performance Center after the holidays.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 19, 2013 15:12:15 GMT -5
wrong. Davey did not screw over Dragon Gate USA (there were no EVOLVE shows that weekend), Gabe Sapolsky did. DGUSA, which was created to showcase the Dragon Gate wrestlers in America, announced Davey, the hottest wrestler in ROH at the time, and The Young Bucks, who were still working regularly for ROH, as the first three wrestlers signed to compete for the DGUSA WrestleMania weekend shows several months in advance as basically a "F*** YOU!" to ROH. Davey was under an ROH contract at the time, and ROH was willing to allow him to compete on both the ROH and DGUSA shows that weekend, but Gabe Sapolsky, butthurt about being fired from ROH, was not and said he could compete only for DGUSA that weekend. having their hand forced, ROH offered Davey a raise to sign a longer contract with ROH (which did and does run a hell of a lot more frequently than DGUSA, EVOLVE and FIP put together) and in exchange he'd pull out of the Dragon Gate USA shows that weekend. Sapolsky, being double butthurt now, dropped him not only from DGUSA, but also from EVOLVE, which they were not partners of. all Gabe had to do was agree to let him compete for ROH as well that weekend, and instead tried to get into a dick measuring contest with ROH and lost (in addition Davey & The Bucks, he also offered discounts to people who already bought tickets for the ROH shows to come to the DGUSA shows instead) and its his fault, not Davey's, that Davey Richards left DGUSA and EVOVLE. That's the Davey story, but how can RoH have their hand forced if he was already under contract? And yes Davey was offered a partial stake and was well aware of how DGUsa/Evolve were going to be booked. Paint it as butt-hurt Gabe if you want but it seems that the only people that cry that are the Teddy Hart, LowKi's and Davey's of the world while the CM Punk's and Bryan Danielson's have never said a bad word. Davey leveraged Gabe to get his way in RoH. I mean he was pissed about the direction of the company and went out of his way to show it just the year before at mania weekend in a totally unprofessional manner, so sorry if Davey's plea's of professionalism don't sell with me or most people. He's found lame excuses way to many times. their hand was forced when Gabe refused to agree to business and let their contracted wrestler compete for both promotions that weekend. they pulled Davey from those two shows, and only those two shows. Gabe was the one who dropped Davey from DGUSA and EVOLVE altogether second, Davey was never offered a stake in ownership of EVOLVE. EVOLVE was the brain child of Gabe Sapolsky and Bryan Danielson with Sal Hamaoui as the financial backer. after Danielson signed with WWE, Davey was picked as the guy the promotion was built around. he was as much a "partner" with Gabe in EVOLVE as Hulk Hogan was a "partner" of Vince McMahon's in the late 80s or Steve Austin in the late 90s. and as for the direction of EVOLVE, EVOLVE had no direction then. it was pro wrestling booked like MMA. thats it. he really screwed it up big time when he didn't appear after the first show. and as for Davey's "unprofessional" manner in the match against KENTA by cutting that promo, that is making a mountain out of a mole hill. it was a couple of jabs in a promo that was instantly forgotten by everyone...well, almost everyone. in the long, long list of "unprofessional" moments in wrestling, it'd be near the bottom. also, i like how you bemoan Davey Richards for trying to use leverage to get his way in a promotion, then turn around and try to negatively compare him to CM Punk, who very publicly and famously used leverage to get to his current position in WWE. oh, and if you ever meet Punk who never had a bad word to say about Gabe Sapolsky, ask him about the "temper tantrums" (his words) Gabe would threw whenever something got screwed up. the fact is Davey Richards was willing to compete for both companies that weekend, ROH was willing to let him compete for both companies that weekend, and Gabe said no. it was Gabe Sapolsky's fault, not Davey Richards, that Davey didn't compete for DGUSA's WrestleMania weekend shows in 2010, or any shows since.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 15:15:38 GMT -5
In addition anyone with a clue could see that Danielson, Punk and Joe were going to be stars, they had that it factor that people just wanted to see. Davey doesn't have that at all. If they bring him in he'll wash out after a few months, I have no doubt of it. Apparently neither does Joe I think that if Joe had gone to the E it would have worked out for him(unless they decided that he needed to hit the gym), though there is the off chance that we might not have gotten badass Umaga so it's a tricky one.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 19, 2013 16:59:59 GMT -5
Actually Cesaro has shot down the Visa rumor about his first attempt signing with WWE. The issue was he cancelled all of his bookings to start early.
But solid points. The new mandate also sent out to guys is that unless indy guys are working in the best indy companies (CZW,ROH,PWG,DUSA) then don't even bother looking at them yet. There are also who are gonna get chances based on work ethic. While I don't know if he'll make it in WWE, Solomon Crow/Sami Callihan is a guy I expected to get a shot sometime because of his commitment and the fact he worked his ass off to lose a lot of weight (look up his before and after pics if you haven't seen). It's a similar reason as to why I think a guy like Drake Younger will probably be on WWE's watch list.
Also you mentioned Low Ki's attitude and Davey's, I laugh at how different it is from them protecting their character compared to a guy like Dean Ambrose. Watch his Best of Indies shoot, and he pretty much says he'll do whatever is asked of him because wrestling is supposed to be fun. The moment you start taking it too seriously is the moment you self destruct.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 19, 2013 18:58:46 GMT -5
In regards to giving them a week try out, I think they should keep top indy guys off the roster until they want something to do with them, even off the NXT roster. I read today that Chris Hero's release was due to creative not having much for him (which could be a bullshit claim as a lot of people get it) and he was specifically released because instead of being on NXT, he would be better paid on the indies because he is in fact Chris Hero. So with the Wolves, you see if they are ready for TV, and if they are, bring them up immediately, if not, they stay on the indies and WWE brings them in another time, and the Wolves keep making their indy money instead of NXT money.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Nov 19, 2013 19:10:13 GMT -5
I have no idea why WWE hasn't already signed all the ROH guys; I don't think a triplets gimmick has ever been done before.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Nov 19, 2013 20:33:02 GMT -5
So if his WWE tryout (or potential run) turns to custard will Davey put his money where his mouth is and try his hand at MMA. Not that it would happen, but what is Daveys actual walk around weight? Not sure but if his billed weight of 208lbs is true then he would be hopelessly undersized.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Nov 20, 2013 5:07:41 GMT -5
If I heard of a group calling themselves the "American Wolves" outside of wrestling I would assume it was some sort of quasi-military right-wing armed faction. Which I love the idea of in wrestling so cool. Despite their (well Davey's reputation) on here Id still love to see them make it even for a brief period, I just enjoy seeing different talents get their even with small runs instead of never making it at all and even if you know they wont fit long term. Obviously some deserve far better runs and chances, like Colt.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Nov 20, 2013 7:06:33 GMT -5
Also you mentioned Low Ki's attitude and Davey's, I laugh at how different it is from them protecting their character compared to a guy like Dean Ambrose. Watch his Best of Indies shoot, and he pretty much says he'll do whatever is asked of him because wrestling is supposed to be fun. The moment you start taking it too seriously is the moment you self destruct. I love that video. It proves that when you are doing what you love, and have an objective point-of-view about it, you'll be a success.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 20, 2013 15:35:53 GMT -5
If I heard of a group calling themselves the "American Wolves" outside of wrestling I would assume it was some sort of quasi-military right-wing armed faction. Which I love the idea of in wrestling so cool. sorry to burst you're bubble, but they are not a quasi-military right-wing armed faction. Dynamite Kid = Davey Richards Davey Boy Smith = Eddie Edwards (he even had these ridiculous Davey Boy-esque braids for a long while earlier in his career) The British Bulldogs = The American Wolves
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 20, 2013 20:37:12 GMT -5
Would much rather it just be Strong and Edwards coming in since I reckon they'd do well as a tag team. Davey can just f*** off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 21:06:50 GMT -5
That's the Davey story, but how can RoH have their hand forced if he was already under contract? And yes Davey was offered a partial stake and was well aware of how DGUsa/Evolve were going to be booked. Paint it as butt-hurt Gabe if you want but it seems that the only people that cry that are the Teddy Hart, LowKi's and Davey's of the world while the CM Punk's and Bryan Danielson's have never said a bad word. Davey leveraged Gabe to get his way in RoH. I mean he was pissed about the direction of the company and went out of his way to show it just the year before at mania weekend in a totally unprofessional manner, so sorry if Davey's plea's of professionalism don't sell with me or most people. He's found lame excuses way to many times. their hand was forced when Gabe refused to agree to business and let their contracted wrestler compete for both promotions that weekend. they pulled Davey from those two shows, and only those two shows. Gabe was the one who dropped Davey from DGUSA and EVOLVE altogether second, Davey was never offered a stake in ownership of EVOLVE. EVOLVE was the brain child of Gabe Sapolsky and Bryan Danielson with Sal Hamaoui as the financial backer. after Danielson signed with WWE, Davey was picked as the guy the promotion was built around. he was as much a "partner" with Gabe in EVOLVE as Hulk Hogan was a "partner" of Vince McMahon's in the late 80s or Steve Austin in the late 90s. and as for the direction of EVOLVE, EVOLVE had no direction then. it was pro wrestling booked like MMA. thats it. he really screwed it up big time when he didn't appear after the first show. and as for Davey's "unprofessional" manner in the match against KENTA by cutting that promo, that is making a mountain out of a mole hill. it was a couple of jabs in a promo that was instantly forgotten by everyone...well, almost everyone. in the long, long list of "unprofessional" moments in wrestling, it'd be near the bottom. also, i like how you bemoan Davey Richards for trying to use leverage to get his way in a promotion, then turn around and try to negatively compare him to CM Punk, who very publicly and famously used leverage to get to his current position in WWE. oh, and if you ever meet Punk who never had a bad word to say about Gabe Sapolsky, ask him about the "temper tantrums" (his words) Gabe would threw whenever something got screwed up. the fact is Davey Richards was willing to compete for both companies that weekend, ROH was willing to let him compete for both companies that weekend, and Gabe said no. it was Gabe Sapolsky's fault, not Davey Richards, that Davey didn't compete for DGUSA's WrestleMania weekend shows in 2010, or any shows since. Whoa now bringing facts into the Davey Richards hate shame shame SHAME.Also while i have never heard of Davey being a asshole to fans i hear allot about CM Punk doing it
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Post by Essential1 on Nov 20, 2013 21:25:08 GMT -5
Sounds and looks like a dick. His indy charisma will not work in WWE and I won't care unless he's brought up to NXT. Maybe he can job to CJ Paker.
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