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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 18, 2013 23:36:55 GMT -5
Face Miz could have been great if they let him be a douchebag face like Sheamus and Rock. But no, they turned him generic because...I don't know?
But man, look at him tonight. The man looked so happy that he gets to be a prick. It's like a fire of douchebaggery has been lit in his heart again and he has been reunited with the sense of joy he had long lost. Some wrestlers do that "Oh I just did what was right at the time, I'm not bad!" gradual heel turn. But no. Not Miz. It's like someone flipped a switch and he went from 100% face to 100% I'm-happy-to-be-evil in a matter of seconds. It's like a lightbulb lit up in his head and he went "Wait, wait, what the f*** have I been doing the last year? Haha, I'm such an idiot! Time to start fixing things!"
I hope he continues to be cartoon douchebag Miz. Serious Miz kind of...sucks, really. But douchebag/Cena stalker Miz is aweeeeeesome.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 18, 2013 23:37:32 GMT -5
Dude just never really had anything he could sink his teeth into. All his "feuds" sucked, any rebuttal he had for a heel was some lame joke (and unlike Rock or Jericho, the material they gave him wasn't funny) or never getting a chance at all. And to add onto it, ring work has been a big thing for WWE since, say Punk won the WWE title. All the faces have a firey fast paced offensive or some other style that gets the crowd pumped and hyped. Miz...had none of that.
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Post by Bootista on Nov 18, 2013 23:37:31 GMT -5
GOD prevented Miz from being liked by other humans, so i don't know how WWE can change that That Damn God never putting anybody over, who does he think he is, HHH?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 18, 2013 23:38:32 GMT -5
Now can we please switch back to the Skull Crushing Finale? The Figure Four doesn't remotely suit him and submissions are basically useless for heels. I don't know, I think using the Figure Four got Miz more heel heat than a lot of his actual heel mannerisms and antics, because people were just so outraged at the idea of THE MIZ trying to present himself as the Ric Flair of his generation. ... You know, faux-smark Miz where he cuts promos about all his time on the indies and how he made it as far as he did in the industry through his technical in-ring abilities would be hilarious.
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Post by Chip on Nov 18, 2013 23:39:26 GMT -5
Face Miz could have been great if they let him be a douchebag face like Sheamus and Rock. But no, they turned him generic because...I don't know? Miz WAS a douchebag face, that's why people cheered the heels that beat the f*** out of him.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 18, 2013 23:40:53 GMT -5
Face Miz could have been great if they let him be a douchebag face like Sheamus and Rock. But no, they turned him generic because...I don't know? Miz WAS a douchebag face, that's why people cheered the heels that beat the f*** out of him. No, wrong kind of douchebag. I mean "Happy to be douchebag" douchebag, not "Cocky douchebag." There's a difference.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 18, 2013 23:42:30 GMT -5
Now can we please switch back to the Skull Crushing Finale? The Figure Four doesn't remotely suit him and submissions are basically useless for heels. I don't know, I think using the Figure Four got Miz more heel heat than a lot of his actual heel mannerisms and antics, because people were just so outraged at the idea of THE MIZ trying to present himself as the Ric Flair of his generation. ... You know, faux-smark Miz where he cuts promos about all his time on the indies and how he made it as far as he did in the industry through his technical in-ring abilities would be hilarious. Oh my god, faux indy darling Miz would be tremendous. Give him a "strong style" finisher like the Shining Wizard that he renames the Shining Mizard. If he sucks at doing the move? Even better.
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Post by Chip on Nov 18, 2013 23:43:46 GMT -5
Miz WAS a douchebag face, that's why people cheered the heels that beat the f*** out of him. No, wrong kind of douchebag. I mean "Happy to be douchebag" douchebag, not "Cocky douchebag." There's a difference. .... Uh... what? I'm gonna need you to go into a bit more detail as I can't make any sense of what you mean. Face Miz was basically the definition of a douchebag; Over-inflated sense of worth; Claimed to be the most must-see WWE superstar. Lack of intelligence; taunted Brock Lesnar of all people on Miz TV. Act's stupid in front of his superiors; The MizTV segment with Stephanie and pretty much any interaction he had with an authority figure.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 18, 2013 23:44:59 GMT -5
GOD prevented Miz from being liked by other humans, so i don't know how WWE can change that How about actually giving people a reason to cheer for him. I was perfectly content with Miz being a jobber because I loved watching him be the scrappy underdog and rallying behind him. That one match against Swagger earlier this year along with his matches against Orton were good examples of that. WWE ruined Miz because they couldn't decide where exactly they wanted him on the card. They couldn't decide whether they wanted him as a main eventer, a midcarder or a jobber, so they tried to make him all of those things.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 18, 2013 23:46:44 GMT -5
Congratulations, Miz. You still suck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 23:47:11 GMT -5
No, wrong kind of douchebag. I mean "Happy to be douchebag" douchebag, not "Cocky douchebag." There's a difference. .... Uh... what? I'm gonna need you to go into a bit more detail as I can't make any sense of what you mean. I think he means less, "I'm the greatest, most awesome thing in the world!" and more, "I'm going to f*** with you entirely because I can."
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 18, 2013 23:47:40 GMT -5
No, wrong kind of douchebag. I mean "Happy to be douchebag" douchebag, not "Cocky douchebag." There's a difference. .... Uh... what? I'm gonna need you to go into a bit more detail as I can't make any sense of what you mean. (I'm mostly kidding, don't try to make too much sense out of it.) But what I mean is that heel Miz was always ridiculously cartoonish while being a douchebag, down to having an 80s lackey whose only purpose seemed to be to laugh at people when Miz told him to. That and he stalked Cena in a really creepy way. It was funny because of how much dedication his character had towards being a douchebag. "Wake up. Prepare Rock costume. Dress up as Rock. Attack Cena. For kicks." it's like, he was a douchebag, but he was dedicated to the craft of being a douchebag. He was like "HEHEHEHE I'M EVIIIIIIL" and it was funny because the man looked like he was having so much fun being a douchebag. Face Miz was like "The cocky douchebag." The guy who goes "Yeah, whatever, I'm better than you, ONE-LINER." It was all so bland. No ridiculous cartoonish plot to be a douchebag, just a one-liner. Such a lazy attempt at douchebaggery.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 18, 2013 23:47:45 GMT -5
Dude just never really had anything he could sink his teeth into. All his "feuds" sucked, any rebuttal he had for a heel was some lame joke (and unlike Rock or Jericho, the material they gave him wasn't funny) or never getting a chance at all. And to add onto it, ring work has been a big thing for WWE since, say Punk won the WWE title. All the faces have a firey fast paced offensive or some other style that gets the crowd pumped and hyped. Miz...had none of that. In ring wise, Miz is better as a face than as a heel. Even some of Miz's most notorious detractors here have said that. He may not put on a five star match, but he's so good at doing the fiery babyface comeback, even with his limited repertoire.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 18, 2013 23:48:11 GMT -5
.... Uh... what? I'm gonna need you to go into a bit more detail as I can't make any sense of what you mean. I think he means less, "I'm the greatest, most awesome thing in the world!" and more, "I'm going to f*** with you entirely because I can." Yes this is a much saner and more succinct way of putting it, thank you.
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Post by CH Punk on Nov 18, 2013 23:48:23 GMT -5
Pretty funny that he turned face on the go-home show for Survivor Series 2012 and turned heel on the go home show for Survivor Series 2013.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 18, 2013 23:49:54 GMT -5
Pretty funny that he turned face on the go-home show for Survivor Series 2012 and turned heel on the go home show for Survivor Series 2013. And turned face to join a team with Kofi Kingston, turned heel while on a team with Kofi Kingston.
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Post by Error on Nov 18, 2013 23:51:01 GMT -5
They had a need for lower level heels and took the guy with the most punchable face in WWE (sorry Heath, you've been out whatevered) and flipped him. About time. Just too bad Flair's last televised drunken WWE escapade was wasted on Miz.
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Post by Chip on Nov 18, 2013 23:51:20 GMT -5
.... Uh... what? I'm gonna need you to go into a bit more detail as I can't make any sense of what you mean. (I'm mostly kidding, don't try to make too much sense out of it.) But what I mean is that heel Miz was always ridiculously cartoonish while being a douchebag, down to having an 80s lackey whose only purpose seemed to be to laugh at people when Miz told him to. That and he stalked Cena in a really creepy way. It was funny because of how much dedication his character had towards being a douchebag. "Wake up. Prepare Rock costume. Dress up as Rock. Attack Cena. For kicks." it's like, he was a douchebag, but he was dedicated to the craft of being a douchebag. He was like "HEHEHEHE I'M EVIIIIIIL" and it was funny because the man looked like he was having so much fun being a douchebag. Face Miz was like "The cocky douchebag." The guy who goes "Yeah, whatever, I'm better than you, ONE-LINER." It was all so bland. No ridiculous cartoonish plot to be a douchebag, just a one-liner. Such a lazy attempt at douchebaggery. How would you really do that as a face though? He can't let it seem like the heel is getting to him by being overly-elaborate with his pay-backs as then it just makes it seem like he cares too much or is insecure. If he put's too little effort into it you get what we were given.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 18, 2013 23:53:38 GMT -5
(I'm mostly kidding, don't try to make too much sense out of it.) But what I mean is that heel Miz was always ridiculously cartoonish while being a douchebag, down to having an 80s lackey whose only purpose seemed to be to laugh at people when Miz told him to. That and he stalked Cena in a really creepy way. It was funny because of how much dedication his character had towards being a douchebag. "Wake up. Prepare Rock costume. Dress up as Rock. Attack Cena. For kicks." it's like, he was a douchebag, but he was dedicated to the craft of being a douchebag. He was like "HEHEHEHE I'M EVIIIIIIL" and it was funny because the man looked like he was having so much fun being a douchebag. Face Miz was like "The cocky douchebag." The guy who goes "Yeah, whatever, I'm better than you, ONE-LINER." It was all so bland. No ridiculous cartoonish plot to be a douchebag, just a one-liner. Such a lazy attempt at douchebaggery. How would you really do that as a face though? He can't let it seem like the heel is getting to him by being overly-elaborate with his pay-backs as then it just makes it seem like he cares too much or is insecure. If he put's too little effort into it you get what we were given. The Fandango feud was perfect for Douchebag Face Miz and I wish we had gotten more of that guy.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 18, 2013 23:56:44 GMT -5
(I'm mostly kidding, don't try to make too much sense out of it.) But what I mean is that heel Miz was always ridiculously cartoonish while being a douchebag, down to having an 80s lackey whose only purpose seemed to be to laugh at people when Miz told him to. That and he stalked Cena in a really creepy way. It was funny because of how much dedication his character had towards being a douchebag. "Wake up. Prepare Rock costume. Dress up as Rock. Attack Cena. For kicks." it's like, he was a douchebag, but he was dedicated to the craft of being a douchebag. He was like "HEHEHEHE I'M EVIIIIIIL" and it was funny because the man looked like he was having so much fun being a douchebag. Face Miz was like "The cocky douchebag." The guy who goes "Yeah, whatever, I'm better than you, ONE-LINER." It was all so bland. No ridiculous cartoonish plot to be a douchebag, just a one-liner. Such a lazy attempt at douchebaggery. How would you really do that as a face though? He can't let it seem like the heel is getting to him by being overly-elaborate with his pay-backs as then it just makes it seem like he cares too much or is insecure. If he put's too little effort into it you get what we were given. Hey, never stopped Sheamus/Rock! Showing that he cares enough to get revenge wouldn't make him insecure, it would make him human. Which would be fine provided he struck back, which the cartoonish plots would accomplish. Plus he wouldn't have to be too devastated over any heels, just bothered by it enough to repay it in a ridiculous fashion. He wouldn't have to be emotionally destroyed to strike back or anything, he'd just have to be attacked first by the heel so he could have an excuse to be a prick, his character being the one of a guy who openly loves being a prick.
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