Essential1
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Post by Essential1 on Nov 21, 2013 1:59:21 GMT -5
He pulled Maryse. Enough reason to hate him.
Still don't know how he did that with his face.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Nov 21, 2013 11:56:53 GMT -5
...because that's his job? Your job as a wrestler is to entertain. Who cares how? See I don't see it like that at all. A wrestlers job is to win matches and titles. In doing that you get main event billing and get paid more for your work, if you happen to be entertaining whilst doing that so be it but actively trying to be entertaining over winning hurts your career, if the people you hurt your career for don't even appreciate it, f*** 'em. Wasn't there a discussion here recently about A.J. being a "belt mark"? There are wrestlers who only care about belts versus those who want to be successful. Guys who laugh at belt marks know that once they are in the spotlight, they are happy. The real wrestlers know who the G.O.A.T.s are by staying power, ability, demand, and draw. There are millions of Americans who go underappreciated at work. Intrinsic drive is their marker for success. If you are that worried about being appreciated at work, you can either quit and go somewhere that does, or keep being excellent and let your product speak for itself. We ask all the time if wrestlers are "above titles". Like him or hate him, Cena is above titles. Orton, Punk, and, finally, Bryan are above titles (I don't care what most of you think, Bryan is above titles). Guys like ADR, Mark Henry, and, unfortunately right now, Dolph need titles to stay relevant. To me, Miz is caught in the grey area of needing a title. Right now, he works his ass off like he is above titles, but the way he is being booked is the opposite. I'm not suggesting Miz is at the level of Punk, but he might need at least one more good storyline or title run to determine which group he is in. Back to your point, there is nothing wrong with having the attitude that you are above titles; if you don't you won't be successful. It's a similar attitude that my beloved Cleveland Browns have to adopt: think in your mind you are a winner, and you will be. The non-kayfabe answer is that belts matter. That is pretty standand with ranked sports, especially the martial arts. You go against you. May the best person win. The kayfabe answer is that wrestlers look more holistically at their achievement and success. If Miz is happy (NOT COMPLACENT) with how he performs at his job and is still getting payed for it, he determines his success, not others.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Nov 21, 2013 12:04:06 GMT -5
See I don't see it like that at all. A wrestlers job is to win matches and titles. In doing that you get main event billing and get paid more for your work, if you happen to be entertaining whilst doing that so be it but actively trying to be entertaining over winning hurts your career, if the people you hurt your career for don't even appreciate it, f*** 'em. Wasn't there a discussion here recently about A.J. being a "belt mark"? There are wrestlers who only care about belts versus those who want to be successful. Guys who laugh at belt marks know that once they are in the spotlight, they are happy. The real wrestlers know who the G.O.A.T.s are by staying power, ability, demand, and draw. There are millions of Americans who go underappreciated at work. Intrinsic drive is their marker for success. If you are that worried about being appreciated at work, you can either quit and go somewhere that does, or keep being excellent and let your product speak for itself. We ask all the time if wrestlers are "above titles". Like him or hate him, Cena is above titles. Orton, Punk, and, finally, Bryan are above titles (I don't care what most of you think, Bryan is above titles). Guys like ADR, Mark Henry, and, unfortunately right now, Dolph need titles to stay relevant. To me, Miz is caught in the grey area of needing a title. Right now, he works his ass off like he is above titles, but the way he is being booked is the opposite. I'm not suggesting Miz is at the level of Punk, but he might need at least one more good storyline or title run to determine which group he is in. Back to your point, there is nothing wrong with having the attitude that you are above titles; if you don't you won't be successful. It's a similar attitude that my beloved Cleveland Browns have to adopt: think in your mind you are a winner, and you will be. The non-kayfabe answer is that belts matter. That is pretty standand with ranked sports, especially the martial arts. You go against you. May the best person win. The kayfabe answer is that wrestlers look more holistically at their achievement and success. If Miz is happy (NOT COMPLACENT) with how he performs at his job and is still getting payed for it, he determines his success, not others. See now I'm confused, you are using real life examples to support the idea that Miz had no justifiable reason to turn heel despite storyline and character wise being in the best spot then anyone else to turn heel. When I posted, I was speaking of The Miz, not Mike Mizanin, I assumed you were too but maybe I got the wrong idea from what you posted.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Nov 21, 2013 12:44:47 GMT -5
Wasn't there a discussion here recently about A.J. being a "belt mark"? There are wrestlers who only care about belts versus those who want to be successful. Guys who laugh at belt marks know that once they are in the spotlight, they are happy. The real wrestlers know who the G.O.A.T.s are by staying power, ability, demand, and draw. There are millions of Americans who go underappreciated at work. Intrinsic drive is their marker for success. If you are that worried about being appreciated at work, you can either quit and go somewhere that does, or keep being excellent and let your product speak for itself. We ask all the time if wrestlers are "above titles". Like him or hate him, Cena is above titles. Orton, Punk, and, finally, Bryan are above titles (I don't care what most of you think, Bryan is above titles). Guys like ADR, Mark Henry, and, unfortunately right now, Dolph need titles to stay relevant. To me, Miz is caught in the grey area of needing a title. Right now, he works his ass off like he is above titles, but the way he is being booked is the opposite. I'm not suggesting Miz is at the level of Punk, but he might need at least one more good storyline or title run to determine which group he is in. Back to your point, there is nothing wrong with having the attitude that you are above titles; if you don't you won't be successful. It's a similar attitude that my beloved Cleveland Browns have to adopt: think in your mind you are a winner, and you will be. The non-kayfabe answer is that belts matter. That is pretty standand with ranked sports, especially the martial arts. You go against you. May the best person win. The kayfabe answer is that wrestlers look more holistically at their achievement and success. If Miz is happy (NOT COMPLACENT) with how he performs at his job and is still getting payed for it, he determines his success, not others. See now I'm confused, you are using real life examples to support the idea that Miz had no justifiable reason to turn heel despite storyline and character wise being in the best spot then anyone else to turn heel. When I posted, I was speaking of The Miz, not Mike Mizanin, I assumed you were too but maybe I got the wrong idea from what you posted. Hmm...thanks. I guess I have to rethink this...
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