Lila
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Post by Lila on Nov 21, 2013 15:53:21 GMT -5
I think Dolph would've fit in quite well in the New Generation era. Before the Kliq buries him due to his looks and ability being a threat to their spots (Shawn's in particular). This is so sadly accurate.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 21, 2013 15:54:51 GMT -5
Miz has a lot of heart, but they would have broke him. Somebody like Dynamite Kid, for example, would have beat the crap out of him for no reason other than he's a pretty boy.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 21, 2013 16:00:31 GMT -5
Strangely, Kofi Kingston would have the exact same spot/character in every era, except in the Attitude Era he's a pimp on the side.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Nov 21, 2013 20:08:01 GMT -5
Miz has a lot of heart, but they would have broke him. Somebody like Dynamite Kid, for example, would have beat the crap out of him for no reason other than he's a pretty boy. Miz would be selling used cars.
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Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 21, 2013 21:41:13 GMT -5
Punk probably would be lucky to be a jobber during the 80s what with body type and his ridiculous amount of tattoos. He'd probably be big during the Attitude Era, though...
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 21, 2013 22:32:57 GMT -5
The correct answer is the same as everyone before them: crushed beneath the falling orange leg of The Hulkster.
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Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 21, 2013 22:37:21 GMT -5
Damien Sandow seems like a perfect fit for the 80s or even the New Generation era, and he'd probably be a comic jobber during the Attitude Era as something of a "take that" against decency.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 21, 2013 22:39:50 GMT -5
I still maintain that if he was around in the 80's/90's, Cena would have been a freaking beast. He probably would have gotten an Ultimate Warrior style push with better workrate.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 21, 2013 22:42:18 GMT -5
I'm sure Cena would be quite happy in the teritorry era where he could go from town to town and work 365 days a week alternating between face or heel given the crowd demos, while drinking himself silly in countless bars while banging all the ring rats he wanted (none of that "commitment" malarkey to worry about, either).
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Boo!
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Post by Boo! on Nov 21, 2013 22:42:44 GMT -5
The biggest problem would be the sizes. Today we're conditioned to accept these guys as big and compared to mere mortals most are but stick them in there with the roster circa 1988 they're going to look skinny as hell. You could probably hide three Randy Orton's behind one Dino Bravo.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 21, 2013 22:45:51 GMT -5
I still maintain that if he was around in the 80's/90's, Cena would have been a freaking beast. He probably would have gotten an Ultimate Warrior style push with better workrate. Cena lacks the intensity to have been a top face in that era. Have a five way promo - Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Piper and Cena and Cena will be the Tito Santana of the group.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 21, 2013 22:48:49 GMT -5
I still maintain that if he was around in the 80's/90's, Cena would have been a freaking beast. He probably would have gotten an Ultimate Warrior style push with better workrate. Cena lacks the intensity to have been a top face in that era. Have a five way promo - Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Piper and Cena and Cena will be the Tito Santana of the group. Completely disagree. I think Cena has fantastic delivery when cutting promos, one of the best in the business right now. Content is always the problem with his promos, not delivery. A gimmick where he could just scream random bullshit and then tear it up in the ring would work wonders for him.
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Boo!
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Post by Boo! on Nov 21, 2013 22:52:30 GMT -5
Cena lacks the intensity to have been a top face in that era. Have a five way promo - Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Piper and Cena and Cena will be the Tito Santana of the group. Completely disagree. I think Cena has fantastic delivery when cutting promos, one of the best in the business right now. Content is always the problem with his promos, not delivery. A gimmick where he could just scream random bullshit and then tear it up in the ring would work wonders for him. It's a different time. The four men I mentioned did great coked-up, often barely intelligible promos but they were great. Cena's pesudo-goofy/humour act would get buried completely. He's just not on their level for that sort of delivery which was the standard back then.
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Post by Error on Nov 21, 2013 22:54:06 GMT -5
Strangely, Kofi Kingston would have the exact same spot/character in every era, except in the Attitude Era he's a pimp on the side. Yeah, I could see him teaming with Flash Funk/Scorpio in an interesting little team.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 21, 2013 22:54:14 GMT -5
Completely disagree. I think Cena has fantastic delivery when cutting promos, one of the best in the business right now. Content is always the problem with his promos, not delivery. A gimmick where he could just scream random bullshit and then tear it up in the ring would work wonders for him. It's a different time. The four men I mentioned did great coked-up, often barely intelligible promos but they were great. Cena's pesudo-goofy/humour act would get buried completely. He's just not on their level for that sort of delivery which was the standard back then. We might just have to agree to disagree here because I honestly believe he is.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 21, 2013 23:06:52 GMT -5
It's a different time. The four men I mentioned did great coked-up, often barely intelligible promos but they were great. Cena's pesudo-goofy/humour act would get buried completely. He's just not on their level for that sort of delivery which was the standard back then. We might just have to agree to disagree here because I honestly believe he is. When has he shown this skill? I'm not saying he isn't a great talker but I don't think you're fully appreciating what a great talker circa 1988 was. It wasn't grabbing the microphone and talking for six minutes. It was this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfG7fYl_H_oand this www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlSz-Xxo50And, God forbid this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXUVCq-qzOMI just don't see what Cena has ever done to show he can do this. He cuts a good promo today and agree he's one of the best talkers around...today. But in terms of being a baby face (ok that was a heel Savage promo) in the company at this time you needed to have this certain skill on the mic. Even the fact he talks like a normal human being is a disadvantage. If you can show anything Cena' done which comes close to the intensity of the above clips I'll be pleased to see it but I don't think he has
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BRV
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Post by BRV on Nov 21, 2013 23:13:06 GMT -5
Let's hop in the DeLorean and see where some of the present day WWE roster would have been in the "golden age" of wrestling, from the dawn of WrestleMania through the first inklings of the Attitude Era...
Alberto Del Rio - Mexican Ted DiBiase, only with the "Mexican" part turned up to 11. This is the late 1980s and early 1990s in pro wrestling we're talking about here. Antonio Cesaro - Big time foreign heel, probably gets a cup of coffee in the main event but settles for life as an upper midcarder (Think Nikolai Volkoff in the 1980s) Big E Langston - Sadly, I think he'd be saddled with a super racist gimmick. As an enormously muscular black man, I could easily see him getting some sort of African tribesman gimmick Big Show - The sideshow giant attraction that pro wrestling was built on. He'd be a perpetual main eventer alongside Andre the Giant Bray Wyatt and the Wyatt Family - I could see them sticking as an innovative, ahead-of-their-time heel gimmick, kind of like what Goldust was when he first came along Brodus Clay - Akeem, but actually black this time! Christian - A midlevel veteran face whose job is to make the heels getting the big pushes look good. Essentially he'd be Tito Santana in the early 1990s. CM Punk - His antiestablishment attitude has him as a hated heel in WWF but as a cool heel in WCW, if that makes any sense. I think he would've struggled to find a home in either, but would have found his voice in early ECW Damien Sandow - A way, way, waaaaay better version of The Genius Daniel Bryan - A guy who would be opening Monday Nitro and putting on classics or bringing audiences to their feet in ECW Prime Time Players - Managed by Slick, blackness emphasized David Otunga - He'd get a big push based on his physique alone, but his charisma would keep him around after he gets defeated by Hogan or Warrior or whoever Dean Ambrose - A Raven-type cult leader pushing boundaries in ECW, and making a national name for himself in WCW Dolph Ziggler - Working with the cruiserweights in the first hours of Nitro Los Matadores - A Bushwhackers-type comedy tag team that would always be over in that era of WWF 3MB - A Rhythm and Blues-type comedy heel tag team that would always have fans wanting to see them get pounded Fandango - Think early Goldust The Great Khali - Everything El Gigante/Giant Gonzalez ever did, including a WrestleMania match with Undertaker Jack Swagger - Probably gets a big face push because of his All-American roots and looks, but eventually settles into a role as a comedy heel The Usos - The Rockers, a tag team you can always rely on to give you a great match, regardless of their opponent John Cena - Everyone's already said it, he's got the look, ability and charisma to make him the 1a to Hogan's #1 spot. Warrior, but without Warrior's insanity. Justin Gabriel - Nitro opener, probably finds decent success in ECW or Japan Kofi Kingston - Same as Gabriel Mark Henry - Probably has a similar career trajectory as Earthquake. Could be a monster heel or a big-hearted face, depending on creative's mood The Miz - Really emphasizing the "fan growing up" aspect, I could see him getting popular as an underdog babyface Randy Orton - This may sound like sacrilege, but he'd be a Roddy Piper type. Could get fan support behind him, but has that edge about him that he could play the unhinged heel very well Roman Reigns - Kind of a Sid Vicious character, a monstrous destroyer that only Hogan can stop Ryback - Would be just another late 80s, early 90s giant ball of muscles that gets a brief push and settles as a mid-tier guy Santino Marella - Italian Doink Seth Rollins - He'd be making Nitro famous with matches against the likes of Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio and Chris Jericho Sheamus - Given his Irish heritage and his size, he'd be another "foreign" heel that would probably stick as a permanent heel, despite his charm Sin Cara - Would make a name for himself in Japan, brief run in WCW, like Jushin Liger Tensai - His Japanese gimmick would get more mileage in 90s WWF than his dancing gimmick, that's for sure Tyson Kidd - Another Nitro workhorse Wade Barrett - Regal 2.0 Zack Ryder - Makes a name for himself in ECW or the indies, but can't translate that to the national stage with WWF or WCW
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 21, 2013 23:19:15 GMT -5
We might just have to agree to disagree here because I honestly believe he is. When has he shown this skill? I'm not saying he isn't a great talker but I don't think you're fully appreciating what a great talker circa 1988 was. It wasn't grabbing the microphone and talking for six minutes. It was this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfG7fYl_H_oand this www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrlSz-Xxo50And, God forbid this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXUVCq-qzOMI just don't see what Cena has ever done to show he can do this. He cuts a good promo today and agree he's one of the best talkers around...today. But in terms of being a baby face (ok that was a heel Savage promo) in the company at this time you needed to have this certain skill on the mic. Even the fact he talks like a normal human being is a disadvantage. If you can show anything Cena' done which comes close to the intensity of the above clips I'll be pleased to see it but I don't think he has He talks like a human being because it's a different era. It was the style back in the 80's and early 90's to be insanely over the top and talk like you just did a ton of coke. You're saying this as if one era of promo cutting is definitely better than the other but I don't think that's true in the slightest. It's not that guys are less talented now, times have simply changed. The Savage/Hogan style of promo-cutting has fallen to the wayside. It's not really fair to say Cena doesn't have the ability to do it because he wasn't in the business during that era and thus, has never really been put in a position to do so. From what I've seen with his constant yelling and the intensity that he carries during (serious) promos, I think Cena could pull that style off if he had to.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 22, 2013 1:55:03 GMT -5
Zack Ryder - Makes a name for himself in ECW or the indies, but can't translate that to the national stage with WWF or WCW I think Zack Ryder would be another canned promo spewing Attitude Era midcard face in the vein of Godfather, Val Venis or Road Dogg.
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