mizerable
Fry's dog Seymour
You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 22, 2013 12:54:22 GMT -5
Honestly, from an investment point of view, if your current Executive Vice President of Creative isn't thinking big then she shouldn't be a president. There's thinking big, then there's fixing problems. WWE has had many problems for years, something they don't address. If you want to say you're HOPING to attract a bigger audience by helping to fix these problems, then that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that statement. But doubling or tripling in size when your main attraction may be on his last legs and you continue to stay set in your ways of booking the same shit? Yeah...it's not going to happen. I'm not betting on a horse that has 3 broken legs and the jockey can't tempt me otherwise.
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Perd
Patti Mayonnaise
Leslie needs to butt out for fear of receiving The Bunghole Buster
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Post by Perd on Nov 22, 2013 13:00:38 GMT -5
Steph and Trips are gonna try to pull a "Weekend at Bernie's" when Vince dies.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 22, 2013 13:07:47 GMT -5
Corporate speak or not, I call BS. Hell, especially if it's corporate speak. That's like the head of Bear Stearns saying everything's going swimmingly. Comfortable as she may be with that "forty percent" number, no way in hell is forty percent of the WWE's audience female, given the way they depict women. Yeah, they're depicted worse personality wise on those E/MTV programs, but at least they matter; in the WWE, they're blind items at best and props at worst. As for that last part about not losing fans to the PG shift, I can buy that - not that they didn't lose fans, just that it wasn't the PG shift that did it. No, the dreadful booking they've had since about 2009 did quite a fine job in and of itself turning away viewers. No freaking way they double their audience, and sure as hell no way they triple it. Not even gonna touch the "no bad bouts or boring matches" thing. That'd be too easy.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 22, 2013 13:39:45 GMT -5
To be fair, it's been raining everywhere in the US every Monday Night. Who watches TV when it's raining?
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 22, 2013 13:58:52 GMT -5
Stephanie talks (and writes) shit.
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wisdomwizard
King Koopa
Too Salty
Watching you.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Nov 22, 2013 14:48:08 GMT -5
Just because the Divas Division still needs improvement, doesn't render it impossible that WWE has a 40% female audience. It also isn't hard to believe that they didn't lose people after 2009. Nobody here has presented anything to counter those two points other than baseless assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 14:49:43 GMT -5
It's true. It got to the point I can't go to live events anymore because I'm sick and tired of all these pervy females hitting and oogling me just because I'm a decent looking single male who watches wrestling.
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Post by audiencewatching on Nov 22, 2013 15:14:44 GMT -5
Honestly, from an investment point of view, if your current Executive Vice President of Creative isn't thinking big then she shouldn't be a president. There's thinking big, then there's fixing problems. WWE has had many problems for years, something they don't address. If you want to say you're HOPING to attract a bigger audience by helping to fix these problems, then that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that statement. But doubling or tripling in size when your main attraction may be on his last legs and you continue to stay set in your ways of booking the same shit? Yeah...it's not going to happen. I'm not betting on a horse that has 3 broken legs and the jockey can't tempt me otherwise. and this is why, I presume, you aren't a president @ a company
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 22, 2013 15:28:44 GMT -5
We shit on Vince's decisions regularly and rightfully so, but I dread the day that Stephanie is the one in his chair.
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Post by thegame415 on Nov 22, 2013 15:33:33 GMT -5
Can Triple H just take over, and not Steph?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 22, 2013 18:47:46 GMT -5
Carnies gonna carny
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Post by edgestar on Nov 22, 2013 19:01:46 GMT -5
LMAO at Steph's shameless pandering to Bonnie Hammer, it must be time to renew WWE's TV deal with USA soon. She was a mentor to Steph, before she met Big Show as a 12 year old!
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Dean-o
Grimlock
Haha we're having fun Maggle!
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 22, 2013 19:02:18 GMT -5
I know when you're talking to investors and board members, you always got to sell your product 10x more then it actually is, but I'm beginning to run this company really do think they have ZERO issues. Their booking, burial of titles and titleholders, overproduced feel, and micromanagement is really "best for business" as they love to say.
When Vince McMahon blamed the SummerSlam buyrate on a "lack of attraction", I kind of believed he was just telling the board members what they wanted to hear. These people don't care about Daniel Bryan being over, and the time it'll take to make him a believable face of the company. They simply care about the company's profit and future outlook.
Maybe CM really was right. These people surround themselves with YES men who are afraid to step up and voice their displeasure. I mean, can you imagine getting into an argument with Stephanie McMahon over something? I bet even her daughter's teachers are afraid of her bitchiness.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Nov 22, 2013 20:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 20:39:45 GMT -5
Never a boring match? Does she realise who her WWE champion is? It's the guy who has come out and said he deliberately has boring matches*, the guy who got "Randy's boring" chants. That's before you get to more subjective things like aggressive Del Rio. *Source: Wrestlecast interview Well that's like when Foley had all those atrocious matches in ECW - to get heat. Say what you like about Orton - he is awesome at making you hate him. Mick's version was more over the top, and it was for a purpose/reason, to be anti-hardcore. Orton doesn't have a good storyline reason to do it, and he doesn't even go all the way with it so it's just mediocre and lackadasical.
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mizerable
Fry's dog Seymour
You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Nov 22, 2013 20:42:24 GMT -5
and this is why, I presume, you aren't a president @ a company Ouch...you got me there. And what do you do, again?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 22, 2013 21:01:23 GMT -5
Has she SEEN the card for Survivor Series this Sunday? Nothing can be boring to an insane person. what if the main symptom of their insanity is that they find everything boring?
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Nov 22, 2013 21:35:55 GMT -5
I think they seem to think that it's like McDonalds putting Billions Served on their signs.[/quote] In cases like that, McDonald's can make that claim. They have *served* literally billions of their hamburgers to their customers. A burger is a physical product that can be served to people who, probably, will buy more than one over the course of their lifetime. That doesn't work with WWE. If they were to say that their Pay Per Views for 2013 had more than 2 million buys, they'd be fine. But when they try to make that sound like 2 million different individuals ordered those PPVs (or worse, that RAW has been watched by a BILLION people, they're not "spinning" the numbers. They're outright lying. And they don't have to! They get legitimately good ratings. They make a pretty good profit. And they have both a long-time dedicated fan base AND attract new fans to the TV shows AND the live events. Their YouTube channel wound up getting however many views in a week? That's a great claim to make. It's honest. But when they try to make it sound like the number of views was the same as the number of VIEWERS, it actually makes them sound *worse* if you give it any amount of thought. "Oh, 10 million people watched one video and said "this sucks" and never watched another one? Meh. Let's see what Grumpy Cat is up to."
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 22, 2013 21:41:42 GMT -5
Just because the Divas Division still needs improvement, doesn't render it impossible that WWE has a 40% female audience. It also isn't hard to believe that they didn't lose people after 2009. Nobody here has presented anything to counter those two points other than baseless assumptions. It's actually 30-34% according to the stockholder's report I get -- HOWEVER, and here's the but, a great number of that, more than half, is Total Divas, which thus far has had next to no crossover appeal to the actual wrestling product. Meaning that 20% of this live audience is a fan of a reality show produced by WWE, but not the WWE in and of itself. They're not RAW or Smackdown viewers, they're not buying PPVS, merch or going to live events. They're fair-weather viewers of Total Divas, and Stephanie is blowing smoke to paint them as integral to WWE's growth, without truly elaborating how little (financially) they actually mean. Honestly, from an investment point of view, if your current Executive Vice President of Creative isn't thinking big then she shouldn't be a president. By the same token, if the Executive Vice President of Creative consistently doesn't meet her boasts, or in most cases falls significantly below them, she shouldn't BE President anymore.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 22, 2013 21:51:49 GMT -5
Oh Stephanie. Why can't you just look pretty?
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