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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 25, 2013 11:55:58 GMT -5
That's because this is what is actually happening. Not gonna believe it till we get a "Will you stop!?"  We need someone to to start acting like Heenan in here... I made one or two posts during the ppv like that... but we need a more fulltime poster Also, Personally I pretty much stuck to cheering the faces when I was a kid... the only real exception was Piper... who may have been a face when I first started... but regardless was just to insane to hate Much later in life I realized how much I enjoyed Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, though I didn't cheer him at the time  |
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Post by Strotha on Nov 25, 2013 12:16:52 GMT -5
Wrestling is just like any other show or art form to me so even as a kid I always just liked whoever I liked, face or heel. Undertaker, Papa Shango, Big Bossman, IRS and The Mountie were all among my favorites in the early years. I liked Mankind and Goldust right away when they showed up. I certainly wasn't consciously cheering heels, I didn't even know what heels were yet. I just liked anyone who I thought had a cool character whether they were supposed to be good or bad.
On a somewhat related note, cheering heels, I was a huge James Bond fan as a kid but I always wanted to be the villain, not Bond. I always thought the cultured villains with the swanky secret lairs, deformed henchmen and Mao suits were like the coolest guys ever. So as a kid I did tend to prefer villainous characters, but I think with wrestling I liked characters based more on their gimmicks at the time than whether they were good or bad.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Nov 25, 2013 12:19:56 GMT -5
I kind of cheered my guys no matter what their face-heel affiliation. I remember I still liked Jake Roberts after his heel turn when I was pretty young and then at he height of my markdom I remained loyal to HBK when he turned heel in 97. I was smartened up pretty quik after that and I remember loviing that heel Y2J was being cheered against Chyna in 99. I think for the most part back before then though I marked out when some cool heel would turn face or whatever. While not exactly the same I remember loving the Ultimate Warrior compared to my Hogan loving friends back when I first got into it and I remember being proud that I supported the number 2 guy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 12:33:43 GMT -5
That's not to say nobody liked faces though. Even when it came to the pro-American types the likes of Hogan and Jim Duggan were still popular even if people like Lex Luger and The Patriot weren't. Jim Duggan and Lex Luger are the perfect example of a performer making or breaking a gimmick. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 25, 2013 16:23:09 GMT -5
Oh I left out a pretty major/obvious exception of people I cheered for... Taker.
I always loved Taker.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 25, 2013 21:30:31 GMT -5
I don't think I had a preference as far as alignment as a kid, I just liked really charismatic guys. When I started watching (summer of '91) my favorites were Bret Hart, Undertaker, Randy Savage, Ric Flair, Piper and Jake Roberts, so it was just coincidence that I wound up cheering a number of heels. Although over time I've been able to greater appreciate traditional babyface characters, as it's probably the hardest role in wrestling to pull off. Playing a heel or anti-hero is easy, because those kinds of characters automatically tap into the crowd's base instincts. The good guy heroic face doesn't have that luxury, so their charisma has to carry everything. That's why you have to admire the likes of Hogan and Cena so much, they're working high wire acts without a net. they tap into my base instincts |
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Post by Boo! on Nov 26, 2013 7:17:51 GMT -5
I think there's a reason why nobody at an enactment of Othello stands up and cheers whenever Iago walks onto the stage. Not because they're not supposed to think he a great character or not want to see him more than the protagonist but because to do so would be disrespectful for the actor who portrays him. The director may doubt his ability to play this villainous character and recast him meaning the actor himself loses out and is instead used as one of the lesser background characters.
There are heels I've enjoyed but I'd feel I'd always miss out on the point of it all if I cheered them. Even now I think this way. Unless you buy into the storylines then all you're doing is watching two friends play fighting. I don't see the 'hook' there myself.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 26, 2013 9:45:03 GMT -5
I think there's a reason why nobody at an enactment of Othello stands up and cheers whenever Iago walks onto the stage. Not because they're not supposed to think he a great character or not want to see him more than the protagonist but because to do so would be disrespectful for the actor who portrays him. The director may doubt his ability to play this villainous character and recast him meaning the actor himself loses out and is instead used as one of the lesser background characters. That doesn't really fit because people don't cheer or boo during stage theater... maybe once when the star makes their first appearance but after that the crowd sits in silence and watches till the end of the act/show before cheering. Also you only boo people in live theater when they do a shitty job not because you don't like what Iago is doing. |
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Post by Boo! on Nov 26, 2013 9:55:26 GMT -5
I think there's a reason why nobody at an enactment of Othello stands up and cheers whenever Iago walks onto the stage. Not because they're not supposed to think he a great character or not want to see him more than the protagonist but because to do so would be disrespectful for the actor who portrays him. The director may doubt his ability to play this villainous character and recast him meaning the actor himself loses out and is instead used as one of the lesser background characters. That doesn't really fit because people don't cheer or boo during stage theater... maybe once when the star makes their first appearance but after that the crowd sits in silence and watches till the end of the act/show before cheering. Also you only boo people in live theater when they do a shitty job not because you don't like what Iago is doing. But there's still the element of not buying into the storyline. If someone is hitting someone over the head with a chair chances are they want to get booed. If they look up and see people cheering, I don't think fans - who probably think they're doing him a 'favor', appreciate just how little the guy probably appreciates it. If your role is to be the bad guy it's either insulting that people deliberately ignore it or a poor indictment of your ability to get heat. Few think "I'm a bad guy but I'm getting cheered, I must be awesome". No they think "Shut the **** up, you're ruining my push". Yes sometimes when a heel gets cheered he'll turn face and get pushed to the moon but most of the time the end result is just management lament his ability to get over and they move on. So the whole 'cheering the heels' thing, aside from it looking like a big restrospective re-write ("In this picture I had my Hulk Rules shirt on but I was 7 by then and was smart enough to only be wearing it ironically") I actually think it's damaging to the product and in many circumstances to the performers. Not in ALL scenarios, but I'd bet most of the time when a heel gets cheered the end result is...de-push. Even if there is the short-term face run, in the long term the spot the writers had for a big heel in the main event wil likely go to someone else. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 26, 2013 10:19:53 GMT -5
I think there's a reason why nobody at an enactment of Othello stands up and cheers whenever Iago walks onto the stage. Not because they're not supposed to think he a great character or not want to see him more than the protagonist but because to do so would be disrespectful for the actor who portrays him. The director may doubt his ability to play this villainous character and recast him meaning the actor himself loses out and is instead used as one of the lesser background characters. There are heels I've enjoyed but I'd feel I'd always miss out on the point of it all if I cheered them. Even now I think this way. Unless you buy into the storylines then all you're doing is watching two friends play fighting. I don't see the 'hook' there myself. Wrestling is portrayed as a live sporting event and not theater. Just like in legit sports, people choose sides. In wrestling, if a heel makes you want to cheer, he's probably better suited to being a babyface. And the opposite is true as well. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 29, 2013 14:50:05 GMT -5
Heel Piper is what got me into wrestling. We saw Wrestlemania 1 on closed circuit in an arena and I was one of about five people in the building cheering Piper. Everyone else was pro-Hogan. The attitude era was the first time where I liked the faces (Austin, Rock, Foley) more than the heels.
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Post by The OP on Nov 29, 2013 21:46:11 GMT -5
I think it's from people watching wrestling mainly on TV as opposed to live. The heels are the ones who really get people engaged in the match since it's their job to get the heat, so to a lot of people watching on TV they're going to favor the heel for being more entertaining. However, if you go to live wrestling it's a lot harder to cheer some guy who's all like "I'm the toughest, sexiest guy here and your wife is probably gonna leave you now that she knows there are men like me in this world" or whatever the guy says to get heat when he's literally speaking directly to you or the guy next to you. Even today there are people who root for the heels at home but still give them the heat and cheer the babyface if they go to a live event.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 29, 2013 21:48:00 GMT -5
Hmmm...the first heel I loved would have been John Cena, actually. Even at a young age, I thought the Doctor of Thuganomics gimmick was hilarious.
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 30, 2013 10:58:02 GMT -5
First heels i liked were Savage (loved his crazed interviews) and Demolition (they were actually faces when i started watching, but i remained loyal when they turned heel, they came out with facepaint, spikes, and heavy metal music, what 10 year old WOULDNT like that gimmick?)
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 1, 2013 3:25:00 GMT -5
I didn't cheer all of the heels, just the ones I liked.
Like Shawn Michaels, Sid, or Razor Ramon.
As a teenager, I got shit from people at highschool for wearing t-shirts for heels like Owen Hart and Raven.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 1, 2013 3:32:46 GMT -5
I never did, except my first live event when I was 6 and I was so happy to see them live I cheered everyone.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 2, 2013 22:09:14 GMT -5
I didn't think I was allowed to cheer heels. Lex Luger always made me mad when he turned cause he was my favorite and thought I couldn't root for him anymore whenever he would turn heel.
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Post by Dang! on Dec 4, 2013 9:42:05 GMT -5
I was usually sitting in front of my TV, but when WWE went on Tour I cheered Owen Hart during shows. I was always anti-establishemtn I booed the nWo when it was cool to boo them. I am a wrestling hipster.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 5, 2013 23:26:23 GMT -5
There was a dude called "Kwang The Ninja." How am I NOT supposed to cheer KWANG THE NINJA?!
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