Boo!
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Nov 24, 2013 0:09:15 GMT -5
I read this so often online. It seems as if you'd struggle to meet or hear the opinion of anyone who didn't cheer the heels or support the heels or hate the faces. I only have one question. Where were all these people at the time?
Is it genuine or is it after-the-eventism e.g people who think now in retrospect it reflects well on them to cheer the bad guys in a 'I was never taken in by any of that phony crap, I cheered who I wanted'. Maybe my memory is going but I went to school with a load of wrestling fans when I was growing up and I have to be honest and say to those who claim to have cheered the bad guys - I don't remember you. Where were you? Was it just my town where you didn't really exist?
Sure there'd be the odd kid who would, usually someone older who did it just to antagonise everyone else, but these days it's as if everyone's Spartacus. Now everyone was that smart kid who weren't taken in by Hogan or Bret or any of that 'phony good guy' stuff. Everyone was a child who supported Ted DiBiase or Yokozuna. I don't get it where have these people come from and where were they at the time?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 24, 2013 0:12:49 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to believe? It's not uncommon at all to see kids supporting the bad guys in cartoons because they thought they were "cool." I imagine they would apply the same logic to wrestling.
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Post by Bootista on Nov 24, 2013 0:14:05 GMT -5
Everytime I see you post, I imagine Gorilla Monsoon coming from the dead and actually saying these things
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Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Nov 24, 2013 0:15:30 GMT -5
Everytime I see you post, I imagine Gorilla Monsoon coming from the dead and actually saying these things That's because this is what is actually happening.
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Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Nov 24, 2013 0:18:19 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to believe? It's not uncommon at all to see kids supporting the bad guys in cartoons because they thought they were "cool." I imagine they would apply the same logic to wrestling. Sure but the number who hated superman didn't outweigh those who thought he was great. Otherwise he wouldn't really have existed for so long nor been as popular. Some kids think Cena sucks and Bret sucked and Hogan sucked but it wasn't a majority. Even a lot. Now everyone was a heel-lover. It's as if the minority has become this majority through retrospect. Highly unlikely, in my book.
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Post by Cesaro Smirk on Nov 24, 2013 0:24:30 GMT -5
I just like who I want to, it just happens that it tends to favor the heels. It's not deliberate I assure you. The babyfaces I didn't like tended to be the suck-up kind aka Hogan of yesterday or Cena of today. It may have started out because I liked Bret (admittedly his looks were the first thing I noticed) but as I watched because of him, I got to see the Harts vs Bulldogs feud and actually enjoyed the matches and how they were executed and it went from there. My next big favorite was Undertaker, there was just something about him that was awe inspiring to me and of course he started off heel too. The reason I appreciate them more now is because the more interesting characters are heel type characters, as mentioned already here. For me, good heel characters require a good psychological execution. Take Terry Funk, Jake the Snake, Cactus Jack/Mankind, Kane, Ambrose, Wyatt, those kinds of characters as an example of what I mean. They may not be the best wrestlers ever but they have the most interesting type of characters ever imo and I appreciate their ability to perform this way.
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Post by Glitch on Nov 24, 2013 0:33:47 GMT -5
I think we've all had moments where we cheered for the heels, but saying "I've always cheered for them" is being a fake rebel.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 24, 2013 0:41:54 GMT -5
What really drew me into Mid-South Wrestling, the first stuff I watched, were the monster heels, most notably Kamala and Kareem Muhammad as a tag team. There was something different about them from the rest of the wrestlers, and I gravitated towards it. Then we got (Nord) the Barbarian and Humongous. These guys were giant super-villains. They weren't just regular guys running around in their underwear. I was already a comic book, action figure and monster movie fan, so they're what I really dug about wrestling at first. I didn't care for the "regular" heels though, the Flairs and Valentines, etc (with the major exception of Roddy Piper).
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 24, 2013 1:37:46 GMT -5
I liked a lot of the heels because I was a cocky, sarcastic, arrogant kid who got off on and lived vicariously through the unchecked bravado they showed. They said a lot of things I'd have loved to say, and didn't give a shit. That's probably why I love guys like Punk today, and hate milquetoast good guy archetypes.
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Post by 67 more on Nov 24, 2013 5:35:15 GMT -5
I was a complete face-loving, heel-hating mark when I was a kid.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 24, 2013 8:11:08 GMT -5
I was definitely a "cheer for whoever I like" kid. While I loved the Hart Foundation, The Rockers, Piper, Davey Boy and Jake Roberts, I also marked for Mr. Perfect, Powers of Pain, Macho King, and Rick Rude.
I hated Hogan, too.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Nov 24, 2013 8:33:05 GMT -5
When you grow up watching Bobby Heenan it's easy to cheer for heels.
I always did. I liked faces too but, I always cheered hardest for heels.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 9:22:18 GMT -5
As a teen, I always cheered for whoever was facing Hogan and I was a big fan of Roddy Piper in the glory days of the WWF, and I was a huge Horseman mark and didn't like Dusty, R&R's, Magnum, Sting, etc....The only faces I really liked were the Road Warriors, but they were kind of tweeners.
I also always rooted for the Freebirds over the Von Erichs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 9:52:38 GMT -5
Always? No. I cheered Hulk Hogan, Andre, Junkyard Dog, British Bulldogs, Tito Santana, etc. I liked a vast majority of the good guys.
I think it was around the time Jesse Ventura started doing commentary that more fans saw that the bad guys were just like the good guys, but they're just not pandering to the people. Hulk did just as much dirty stuff as Magnificent Muraco, Jesse would call him out on it.
I liked certain heels mainly because their managers would put them over as great wrestlers, throwing out a few choice insults at their opponent's expense. Fred Blassie was great at it, like your grandpa going off the deep end. Jim Cornette pushing the Midnight Express. Bobby Heenan was funny and would take a beating, yet still come back for more. Others, like Roddy Piper, were funny and insulting on the mic, and - since he was usually the smaller guy in the ring - you started to kinda take his side. Maybe he has to use all those dirty tricks to get an advantage. It's not IOC rules, all a matter of what the ref will allow you to get away with. (He and Greg Valentine would also do the face-bump...that went over huge in our household.)
Now, I like who I like. Get me to laugh, make me get interested in your match, have a cool move or two. You can win me over.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 24, 2013 10:11:09 GMT -5
I remember going to the Spectrum in 1988 and being absolutely shocked that the guys in the first few rows were cheering for The Brain Busters and had a sing reading "Hogan Fears Piper".
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Post by mrjl on Nov 24, 2013 10:39:13 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to believe? It's not uncommon at all to see kids supporting the bad guys in cartoons because they thought they were "cool." I imagine they would apply the same logic to wrestling. for me it is, along with the kids supporting the "cool" bad guys
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Post by mrjl on Nov 24, 2013 10:55:23 GMT -5
Always? No. I cheered Hulk Hogan, Andre, Junkyard Dog, British Bulldogs, Tito Santana, etc. I liked a vast majority of the good guys. I think it was around the time Jesse Ventura started doing commentary that more fans saw that the bad guys were just like the good guys, but they're just not pandering to the people. Hulk did just as much dirty stuff as Magnificent Muraco, Jesse would call him out on it. I liked certain heels mainly because their managers would put them over as great wrestlers, throwing out a few choice insults at their opponent's expense. Fred Blassie was great at it, like your grandpa going off the deep end. Jim Cornette pushing the Midnight Express. Bobby Heenan was funny and would take a beating, yet still come back for more. Others, like Roddy Piper, were funny and insulting on the mic, and - since he was usually the smaller guy in the ring - you started to kinda take his side. Maybe he has to use all those dirty tricks to get an advantage. It's not IOC rules, all a matter of what the ref will allow you to get away with. (He and Greg Valentine would also do the face-bump...that went over huge in our household.) Now, I like who I like. Get me to laugh, make me get interested in your match, have a cool move or two. You can win me over. I guess two wrongs don't make a right had more impact on most people than it did me. I always believed in turnabout is fair play. Like someone should play by the rules, but if they're thrown out the window they're thrown out. A guy hits you with a chair and you can get up? You hit him with that chair till he can't. I've always wanted to see someone go apeshit and respond to a lowblow by making it look like he's trying to make sure the other guy never has kids. As for managers, they were liers And on the subject of cool moves, I didn't want to see their cool moves done to guys I liked.
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Post by willywonka666 on Nov 24, 2013 11:20:09 GMT -5
i think everyone is jaded now. Jaded as f***. I hated the heels but later came to appreciate them a little and not flat out hate them, but why do you wanna see good fail?
Of course heels now are worse than before-to keep up with the times
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Post by 4real on Nov 24, 2013 11:49:44 GMT -5
I just found the heels very interesting when I was a kid. Any guy who had an interesting character I liked when I was a kid. All the heels I didn't like were usually jobbers or boring. I remember liking Bigelow, IRS, Yoko & Owen a lot when I was younger and being fascinated by Backlund's psycho character given his previous history.
But I also liked a lot of the faces, I was a big Razor Ramon mark for example and never understood why he never won the WWF Title back then. Taker & Bret were big favs of mine back then too.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 24, 2013 12:23:44 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to believe? It's not uncommon at all to see kids supporting the bad guys in cartoons because they thought they were "cool." I imagine they would apply the same logic to wrestling. for me it is, along with the kids supporting the "cool" bad guys But even the "coolness" factor doesn't really work for "I always cheered the heels"- if you really always cheered them, then by definition all the good guys- even the "cool" ones, were booed by you, and all the bad guys- even the ones who aren't "cool" in the least, got cheered. It's not a sign of "always cheering heels" to support (modern examples) The Wyatt Family, it is if you're also supporting Curtis Axel.
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